Opinion about fake money streamers?

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Make sure you have plenty of shovels and a gas mask, Most of them are so far up each others arss you be digging a long time.

No disrespect to the individuals streamers and affiliates out there that are doing things right

Its just a sore site when see some of the antics some get up to. Like I always say I have nothing against what any person does but its just the morals some people carry on with
I've nothing against a decent and moral affiliate either.
Fact is this group are not.
I have emails, dialogue from the places they stream from.
And as said I'll post this information in due course.
Streaming is and steamers are in this certain group or people the plague of online gaming.
 

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Do people still watch this shit? Yes, I've heard Sat. night TV is abysmal plus you're likely to come across that pair of Geordie c*nts to boot and moronic 'talent' shows for the mouth breathers to watch but even so, watching twatchers instead? Can't people read a good book, go to the cinema or have a few pals round for a social?

Cut to the chase - they are functioning addicts, and only because their habit is being funded in part by sponsoring casinos and mainly by inciting you to sign-up and get them 50 euros a time if you deposit 20. If they ain't addicts, they soon will be and their problems will start when the free funding dries up later and they find that they NEED to play.

TBH I think the casinos should steer clear of this sort of advertising as they have no control over the content and there could easily be another 'Casumo' sooner or later.

It is also illegal to hold public raffles or lotteries without a license in most EU countries, plus the UK, where the entrant's chance is conditional upon spending money or making a purchase. All it needs is one savvy or unhappy viewer to report this and these could be shut down overnight.

So yes, at present many of the twatching channels are using casino affy links in breach of the terms by placing them and using them in potentially unlawful ways.

I've a feeling the responsible casinos will be instructing their affiliates not to use their links like this in the very near future. :cool:
 

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If Leo Vegas is the one holding the raffles/lotteries and have allowed Kim Hultman to handle the drawing, then does that change anything? Letsgiveitaspin may or may not be an employee of Leo Vegas, nobody know for sure.

However, it wouldn't surprise me if many of his viewers on Twatch/DoucheTube (I like how you mock social media in that post to Crybaby Mc Cryface) are under age and that would also make it illegal as is.
 

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Do people still watch this shit? Yes, I've heard Sat. night TV is abysmal plus you're likely to come across that pair of Geordie c*nts to boot and moronic 'talent' shows for the mouth breathers to watch but even so, watching twatchers instead? Can't people read a good book, go to the cinema or have a few pals round for a social?

Cut to the chase - they are functioning addicts, and only because their habit is being funded in part by sponsoring casinos and mainly by inciting you to sign-up and get them 50 euros a time if you deposit 20. If they ain't addicts, they soon will be and their problems will start when the free funding dries up later and they find that they NEED to play.

TBH I think the casinos should steer clear of this sort of advertising as they have no control over the content and there could easily be another 'Casumo' sooner or later.

It is also illegal to hold public raffles or lotteries without a license in most EU countries, plus the UK, where the entrant's chance is conditional upon spending money or making a purchase. All it needs is one savvy or unhappy viewer to report this and these could be shut down overnight.

So yes, at present many of the twatching channels are using casino affy links in breach of the terms by placing them and using them in potentially unlawful ways.

I've a feeling the responsible casinos will be instructing their affiliates not to use their links like this in the very near future. :cool:

You would be surprised how scummy some of these legit casinos are when it comes to greed and advertising. Ive had a few Canadian streamers approach me for my opinion and tell me some of these casinos have contacted them wanting them to play with fake money but pretend its real to attract new sign ups.
 

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I do log in now and than and thats mainly to see whats going on. I had just finished whaching the boxing last night and board shitless with the free roll at VS on fruit whack. The boxing was not much good either, if I wanted to whach people cuddle up I would tune in to tsome cartoons. more punch in a glass of lemonade than there is in boxing now days.
 

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I do log in now and than and thats mainly to see whats going on. I had just finished whaching the boxing last night and board shitless with the free roll at VS on fruit whack. The boxing was not much good either, if I wanted to whach people cuddle up I would tune in to tsome cartoons. more punch in a glass of lemonade than there is in boxing now days.

LOL I saw that in the pub last night in town, 'Special K' battered by Golovkin now battered by the American bloke too. He'd better quit now, he's almost lost his right eye to GGG and his left last night. Whichever weight division he chooses, he's got a fighter that is simply too good for him. That GGG guy (Gennady Golovkin) is a machine, he'll retire unbeaten as possibly the best middleweight ever.
 

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Personally I never watch Live streams as I find it anally boring. BUT .... there is going to be huge money in this in the coming few years. Just as happened with the top gamers xbox PS2 - a few of which have literally made millions from the online streams through ad revenue and sponsorship. Im not a gamer at all, but I find it fascinating how different former pass times can become a real cash cow!

Live stream platforms such as twitch for casinos are here to stay and will only get more refined. And 100% casinos will NOT drop this form of advertising the same as the game developers for Play station and so on see this as a critical and very lucrative form of promotion. We will see much more involvement directly from the casino game developers in the next few years ... and this is where the money will be for affiliates.

My own business ventures are taking me away from casinos even though I did think long and hard about going the casino route - I need to stick to what I know .... but If I was to come into the casino affiliate side of things, streaming would be a must to make serious revenue in the long term.

Love it or hate it - its here to stay and is only going to get bigger.

P.S IF I was Dunover with his unique brutally honest (and oft foul mouthed ) way of doing his videos I would be in on this Now! No matter if you like it or not.
 
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LOL I saw that in the pub last night in town, 'Special K' battered by Golovkin now battered by the American bloke too. He'd better quit now, he's almost lost his right eye to GGG and his left last night. Whichever weight division he chooses, he's got a fighter that is simply too good for him. That GGG guy (Gennady Golovkin) is a machine, he'll retire unbeaten as possibly the best middleweight ever.

HeHeHe Yep could not fight hes way out of a paper bag, Round 10 after he had been butchered was a cracking round, if he had fought like that from the off than he may have stood a chance.

What actually made the night interesting was not even the fights but the boxers that was not fighting talking BS such as Khan before the fight he said the whole of Britain would love to see the fight against him and K, than after the fight he still said I would still like to fight him and it will be a pay per view. NO only reason the whole of U.K would tune in is to finally see the glass jaw of khan finally shattered
 

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Personally I never watch Live streams as I find it anally boring. BUT .... there is going to be huge money in this in the coming few years. Just as happened with the top gamers xbox PS2 - a few of which have literally made millions from the online streams through ad revenue and sponsorship. Iim not a gamer at all, but I find it fascinating how different former pass times become a real cash cow.

Live stream platforms such as twitch for casinos are here to stay and will only get more refined. And 100% casinos will NOT drop this form of advertising the same as the game developers for Play station and so on see this as a critical and very lucrative form of promotion. We will see much more involvement directly from the casino game developers in the next few years ... and this is where the money will be for affiliates.

My own business ventures are taking me away from casinos even though I did think long and hard about going the casino route - I need to stick to what I know .... but If I was to come into the casino affiliate side of things, streaming would be a must to make serious revenue in the long term.

Love it or hate it - its here to stay and is only going to get bigger.

P.S IF I was Dunover with his unique brutally honest (and oft foul mouthed ) way of doing his videos I would be in on this Now! No matter if you like it or not.

LOL And the 'Finnish answer to dunover' (Suomikala) as McGameboy puts it, makes some honest ones too. As you say it's about 'refinement' and his and Craig's are quite watchable in that there is no BS but it's still anything goes at the moment and I have had a few affiliate accounts that have stated they don't want to be linked to YT, not because of my content or expletives but as a general policy - presumably it'd be too much hassle for them to police it.

I have done a few private paid slot reviews for smaller but growing developers pre-release and believe it or not the first was a bit concerned when they saw the end product that I hadn't sworn at or abused the game enough!! I explained (they were foreign) that I believed the principle of being paid to do a job meant higher standards of behaviour and being politely objective rather than ripping it apart for the sake of it if it was actually OK.

Back to twatching (I'd prefer 'streaming') you are possibly correct in terms of affiliate business and I have considered it but I suppose my feelings centre around the fact I wouldn't personally watch it myself. Unlike a video whereby you can forward it to find the key points where the player balance rises suddenly etc. you are pretty much filling the long quiet spells up with text requests like 'pick that one' or 'play this slot' which I find a bit silly especially when at sites like Virgin Games I immediately hide the chat column, but then if viewers like it....

The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.
 
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LOL And the 'Finnish answer to dunover' (Suomikala) as McGameboy puts it, makes some honest ones too. As you say it's about 'refinement' and his and Craig's are quite watchable in that there is no BS but it's still anything goes at the moment and I have had a few affiliate accounts that have stated they don't want to be linked to YT, not because of my content or expletives but as a general policy - presumably it'd be too much hassle for them to police it.

I have done a few private paid slot reviews for smaller but growing developers pre-release and believe it or not the first was a bit concerned when they saw the end product that I hadn't sworn at or abused the game enough!! I explained (they were foreign) that I believed the principle of being paid to do a job meant higher standards of behaviour and being politely objective rather than ripping it apart for the sake of it if it was actually OK.

Back to twatching (I'd prefer 'streaming') you are possibly correct in terms of affiliate business and I have considered it but I suppose my feelings centre around the fact I wouldn't personally watch it myself. Unlike a video whereby you can forward it to find the key points where the player balance rises suddenly etc. you are pretty much filling the long quiet spells up with text requests like 'pick that one' or 'play this slot' which I find a bit silly especially when at sites like Virgin Games I immediately hide the chat column, but then if viewers like it....

The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.

Understood and yes some casinos wont fit with your style. BUT .... there is no rule about expletives ... and some of the top gamers (that big guy cant remember his name ) forever cussing out loud and he has made a fortune purely on YT ad revenue. You dont even need to do it through it Twitch ... and dont need to rely only of casino affiliate revenue. Rather you monetize your YT channel - and throw in live streams up there - so you can make your own terms and conditions, such as play money, or what ever.... and go with any casino you like.

Example only a hand full of gamers get sponsored by Sony and so on, but ALL make money through the ad revenue generate by YT ... and if you get sponsors to sponsor your gaming - who take part of that revenue in return - the rewards can be massive without ever having the need to go near a casino affiliate program.

Thats how I would approach it - but hey who the fuck am I ha ....

Would I sponsor a business model like this ? maybe ... if it was right.

Would I go live and do my own streams ? No thats not me ... but people do make money in the back ground for sure!
 

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Understood and yes some casinos wont fit with your style. BUT .... there is no rule about expletives ... and some of the top gamers (that big guy cant remember his name ) forever cussing out loud and he has made a fortune purely on YT ad revenue. You dont even need to do it through it Twitch ... and dont need to rely only of casino affiliate revenue. Rather you monetize your YT channel - and throw in live streams up there - so you can make your own terms and conditions, such as play money, or what ever.... and go with any casino you like.

Example only a hand full of gamers get sponsored by Sony and so on, but ALL make money through the ad revenue generate by YT ... and if you get sponsors to sponsor your gaming - who take part of that revenue in return - the rewards can be massive without ever having the need to go near a casino affiliate program.

Thats how I would approach it - but hey who the fuck am I ha ....

Would I sponsor a business model like this ? maybe ... if it was right.

Would I go live and do my own streams ? No thats not me ... but people do make money in the back ground for sure!

Yes, I am monetized and get a small monthly amount from Google AdSense and yes, if I ever considered it I would do it via YT not Twatch. Trust me you'd be better of with a CPA affy deal than AD revenue. You can get a decent amount from Ads on YT but you would need to be having far higher viewing figures than the people you mention. I get between 10 and 20k views per week and that earns less than a ton per month. The ones making a 4 or 5-figure monthly ad income are those with literally millions of subscribers and viewers which as you say those with PS2/Xbox subjects can get - slots won't. Sponsorship would pay far more pro-rata. Plus YT may suddenly have one of their 'turns' like a couple of years back when they summarily and arbitrarily shut down hundreds of YT channels and videos to do with gambling - ask Simmo! I believe he was affected at the time IIRC. I wasn't for some reason, possibly because they weren't being used or linked to through any gambling-related or promoting websites, and still aren't.

Any YT-based gambling stuff is a risky proposition to invest time and money in, as they can (and have in the past) simply wipe you off in a second - permanently.
 

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I do log in now and than and thats mainly to see whats going on. I had just finished whaching the boxing last night and board shitless with the free roll at VS on fruit whack. The boxing was not much good either, if I wanted to whach people cuddle up I would tune in to tsome cartoons. more punch in a glass of lemonade than there is in boxing now days.

Really off-topic, but you can't be following boxing very much. Did you see Joshua vs Klitschko? One of the best heavyweight fights in decades. And the other huge bills we have coming up in the next months. 2017 will be a great year for boxing.
 

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It is also illegal to hold public raffles or lotteries without a license in most EU countries, plus the UK, where the entrant's chance is conditional upon spending money or making a purchase. All it needs is one savvy or unhappy viewer to report this and these could be shut down overnight.

I'm still waiting for Rizk to come back to me about the dodgy as fuck raffle they were involved with at Xmas, they must think I've forgot about it ;)
 

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Really off-topic, but you can't be following boxing very much. Did you see Joshua vs Klitschko? One of the best heavyweight fights in decades. And the other huge bills we have coming up in the next months. 2017 will be a great year for boxing.

Do I which boxing much ? Yes

And yes I did see that fight, it was not that bad to be honest but very rare you see a decent boxing match and that was my point
 

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The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.

very well said, Mr Dunover.
I am 47 yo, I am supposed to be wise, and very often I see young guys and gals trying to learn all the worst things from internet. Of course, to find themselves ruined, broken, depressed, screwed.
Some "rules" must be applied, someway, to this twitching thing.
 

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Reading these latest comments (not the boxing ones, though) made me think of the South Park episode Chef Aid. Seems like the streamers and the casinos they play at say "I am above the law!" and will administer the "Chewbacca defense".
 

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I'm still waiting for Rizk to come back to me about the dodgy as fuck raffle they were involved with at Xmas, they must think I've forgot about it ;)
Hi Colin, any input with the email I sent you mate.
Nice to see where joining you in the championship next season :)
 

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Reading these latest comments (not the boxing ones, though) made me think of the South Park episode Chef Aid. Seems like the streamers and the casinos they play at say "I am above the law!" and will administer the "Chewbacca defense".

The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games
 

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The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games

You mean things like telling everyone you can save bonus rounds till after you use the deposit money, telling people he checked with Rizk and it was ok, when in fact he was lying, that type of thing :thumbsup:
 
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