Online slots are extremely toxic

Bloatgoat

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I had to go to landbased, estoril to be precisely. I started with 200 and i ended with 2k cash going back home. The thing is, the first 10 minutes of playing it took some moments to realise that the paste of playing landbased, is so much slower then online. Where online i was able to 10x 500 bonus buy my way through it, there it was limited to just 4 euro a spin on most machines. And the hit frequency was obviously lower compared to online as well. I have'nt bin gone landbased for a longer time.

I mean i sat down at a machine, checked stats, hitted a few times the max bet and boom full screen > 1100 euro. That's when i knew it was time to go after the other session and having a total of 2 grand. The next day i suprised my gf into a shopping spree where she coud'nt satisfy yet with 250 euro worth of bikini's lmao.
 

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Bloat goat well done on your win, but please be careful playing these big amounts and bets, it can quickly turn from fun to a complete addiction and ruin. Your sessions are crazy!
 

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I learned quickly in a casino, that the best and most 'safest' way to gain best possible wins, is to play big on the money you've just won from the casino. The reason? If you lose for example your 1500 handpay in a local casino, it's no biggy, since that money was'nt mine once i staked it. I am not the type of guy that comes in and tries to get the maximum form of entertainment of for lets say 100 euro, but i always go with a strict plan. The best way for me in landbased was, take a 1000, pick 5 machines, put 200 in each machines and go max bet. Out of one of those 5 machines one should hit. It's from my own experience that it does. At least 7 out of 10 times i visitted the landbased casino.

This only goes out for landbased, because online is a different league. Hence why my intial complaint here was about the (unfairness) online play sometimes brings. The most ridiculous way of online would be the winning streak and have that absolute losing streak no matter what you do. Everyone yells that slots are genuine, random, some say that players wagers are being put up onto one big pile and that the wins are redistributed among the active players with a "RTP" of 96 ~ 97% on avg, nobody is going to tell their exact formula as well.

I just had alot of luck on one particular game, where i'd normally settle for 20k and not come back for months perhaps, i kind of knew it was my ultimate run here, and i came back twice and teared a hole inside that electronic slot lol. 65k with an initial deposit, of just 10 euro because i was bored and on my phone.

No i do not recommend anyone doing what i do, but it's said that the real gamblers take considerable amount of risks and if lucky enough, get rewarded like crazy. I just happend to have a nose for anything with machines, i never play board based games, i am a counter as well and i learned that one or more certain games have a pattern that falls within this randomness. If it's a bug or just poor coding, i dont know. But i'm doing it and i'm having succes with this. A part of the money is already set safe for other goals in life. I have a holliday next week.

I dont know i've always bin lucky in casino's, believe me, i had a car on my name, a travelling cheque of 7500 worth free to spend at any holliday agency of choice (i did 7 hollidays myself and gave 2 away), some friends are genuine jalous on what i have performed so far. But yeah, i had losses, you bet, lol. But if it was'nt for this run or the car and all that, i would have bin minus pretty sure as alot of other gamblers on here.

I'm just not affraid to lose. I have a good running business for 10 years and money for me is like water, knowing it's coming in every week again. So yeah casino's favor me and perhaps toss some cookie in once in a while for good recommendation or some stuff. I dont know.
 

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I just had a monster hit on Book of ra classic, 45 euro bet, 22k. Ended up in 36k. Initial deposit was 2000 today and hammered my way up to 12k. I have it on video.

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I think my account will be terminated, pretty soon lmao.
 
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45 euro bet. That's about 500x win. . Streamers are critized on the forum quite rightly for their irresponsible gambling. This is just as irresponsible. Carry on and this will end badly .

You seem to think the way you play or the stake you play affects the outcome. Erm.....

On a plus at least the withdrawn screen shot makes sense this time.
 

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45 euro bet. That's about 50x win. On a normal bet no-one would describe that as monster. Streamers are critized on the forum quite rightly for their irresponsible gambling. This is just as irresponsible. Carry on and this will end badly .

You seem to think the way you play or the stake you play affects the outcome. Erm.....

On a plus at least the withdrawn screen shot makes sense this time.

I get the gist of what you're saying here but 45 euro into 22k is almost 500x I'll let you off, it is rather early :thumbsup:

Irresponsible or not, he's correct about the patterns in slots and how they play. I mentioned this another thread. They're random within certain parameters but they (certainly certain slots) follow a more macro broadscale pattern. Though I think this may be a mixture of lazy coding, weightings and the mind looking for patterns.

I'm certainly no tinfoil hatter by the way :p
 
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Bloatgoat

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Carry on and this will end badly .

Thanks for the advice. Believe me i have a hard time after 5 hours of gambling to get my mind clear. I'll just go out and try to get some fresh air, a walk, certainly distraction. Winning is all good but the effect one can get, geezus christ.

You seem to think the way you play or the stake you play affects the outcome. Erm.....

No, i was or am just lucky.

On a plus at least the withdrawn screen shot makes sense this time.

IN IT TO WIN IT. #notlose
 

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Why on earth would they terminate your account?! You're evidentally a high roller; if anything you can expect MVP status soon, to keep you playing!

Well, if there's no money to be made FROM a player, and it's costing on the long term, what good is that same player in a casino? :D

I dont know i'm carefull with online play. They have just paid 3 out of 5 withdrawls (yes they are fast). They could have said after a huge win to simply close my account and be like HAVE A NICE DAY YO.
 

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Well, if there's no money to be made FROM a player, and it's costing on the long term, what good is that same player in a casino? :D

There is where your thought processes are all wrong. Of course there is money to be made from you by the casinos. The maths model of all slots ensures that. Play long enough and you WILL lose around 4% of everything you have put in. The only way you could circumvent this eventuality is by using +EV bonuses.

Logic dictates that due to your massive upswing recently, you'll come crashing down sooner or later and chances are you won't even realise it's happening until it's too late; especially given your bet sizes.
 

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Well, if there's no money to be made FROM a player, and it's costing on the long term, what good is that same player in a casino? :D

I dont know i'm carefull with online play. They have just paid 3 out of 5 withdrawls (yes they are fast). They could have said after a huge win to simply close my account and be like HAVE A NICE DAY YO.
Why would there be "no money to be made from a player"? And why would it cost them in the long term? It's the other way around. It can cost them in the short term, but it's guaranteed profitable for them in the long term.
 

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So yeah, the big giant pussy that was opened up for a few days is back to closed again. The money wonder is done. Lol. I think i could withdrawl another 10k from that point on but i decided to keep on going as i did the other 3 days before, from that point on it was loss after loss after loss. Whatever game i did, it was back to rigged again.

YOU SEE... Slots are rigged. 111!!! :D

I'm stilll happy tho, looking at my bank account it's all good now.

Only rigged when you lose though I guess... and trust me, they will make their money back from you because if you're gambling at those stakes you'll do that back in a week. Or less.

As you said, know when to quit.
 
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Slot variance can take a long time to even out, years even. You can go on insane winning streaks for weeks sometimes, but the true expectation does catch up eventually, its a mathematical certainty.

If variance equalled out every week no one would gamble lol
 

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I have'nt touched my account, except for checking if the payments where done or not. They where. And thats the right moment to close the window completely. I booked a holliday to 'clear my mind' completely from the gambling thing. Ofcourse, it was a fun and thrilling ride, but nobody could sustain 45 euro bets on the long run, let alone for a day. I had fun, lol. And i have some cool content as well. But i'm not a streamer and i dont tend to ever dump this online. Everyone for it's own. ^
 

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I have'nt touched my account, except for checking if the payments where done or not. They where. And thats the right moment to close the window completely. I booked a holliday to 'clear my mind' completely from the gambling thing. Ofcourse, it was a fun and thrilling ride, but nobody could sustain 45 euro bets on the long run, let alone for a day. I had fun, lol. And i have some cool content as well. But i'm not a streamer and i dont tend to ever dump this online. Everyone for it's own. ^
You seem to make 180s all the time. The entire OP of this thread is dedicated to how you're quitting online slots, because they're toxic and rigged. Then they're amazing, you found this stake level with positive EV and you're exploiting it! Holy crap don't say the site name, you'll leak the exploit! Then you're done, know when to quit. Then you started again and won way more, nice! Then you lost a bunch again, it's R I G G E D!!! And then you appear to have won again & you wonder if you're going to get banned! Because the more you play, the more you'll win in the, and I quote, "long term". And now you're back to quitting, going on vacation, clearing your head etc.

I'm not trying to come off as a dick, but I do hope that you spend some time and reflect on the downs of gambling. It almost makes me second hand anxious just reading your posts. No matter how rich you are, you're going to be sad if you lose €50k in a night instead of winning.

I hope you have a wonderful vacation!
 

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Dude, i am at 87.5k win in total or so. I've just bin going through the numbers. A very, very good result, on where taking a certain risk, paid off. It woud'nt suprise me if i would get banned, for #insertreason, i am costing the casino money and i woud'nt be the first one being banned for #insertreason. If you have losing streak many times, you kind of start to wonder on how the hell is that possible. Yes you will hold the casino somehow upfront and quickly believe then there is more then just a 'magical' RTP or some shit. To answer my own question: are slots random? Yes, but within the box. At the end of the day it's a mathematical algorithm which is designed to not make a loss for the casino. A certain percentage has to come back to the casino over every or a dozen spins counted.

Is it rigged? I find it strange that (and this is'nt just counted over a one time experience, but multiple) that every slot on a online casino could turn cold, and no matter what you do you simply will lose. Like a kill switch for the casino. Many people say it's a bad luck streak, this that you name it. But there's in occasion still some wonky things going on that i've seen myself.

Because; when i hit the withdrawl for the initial 65k upon 10 euro deposit, it took an awefull lot of time (and wagering) to get me there in the first place. The system really woud'nt let me 'lose' or hit bankrupt from that same initial deposit, but it woud'nt let me win above a certain threshold. From that threshold that i've had i noted that it would drop me a few k's in order to come back again and keep me somehow at it. It's a very unreal and artificial way of playing, i dont know what to think of it.

Once i withdrawled, the 20k, the doors went open again, which made me think that if i wanted to bypass that limit, i'd had to hit the withdrawl button a bit more quicker. And so i obtained the 65k pretty fast. This over the course of 3 days. Now for the last night, i was seeing the same pattern again, sticking an avg of 15k, dropping me back a few grand, and getting me back at 16k. But what if i ... i got curious, explored and boom hit the magical 22k hit on another game going max bet, from which i knew from experience, it has potential.

I withdrawled 30k last night, which should be there from now and within 24 hours or so. The processing is luckily fast and once done you cant revert that stuff back, which i really appreciate, because even the best players are still tempted to cancel any withdrawl going on and keep going within that rush. Like i said i topped at a very good bunch of numbers and as they say, leave while your ahead, which is on my list now. Dont take the above for guidance or some shit in order to hit big. I could have bin completely wrong and that is just my imagination doing it's own thing. But i know what i've done worked.

So random? Yes, but always within that box. High variance? Ouch. It could hurt or kill your complete balance. It's the reason why landbased casino's have a more normal and stable (low) variance.
 
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@Bloatgoat There is no rhyme or reason other than random doing it's thing. You haven't found a 'system' you've just experienced a bit of short term luck. The thing about slots is the end result is immutable - you will lose eventually because like @dealer wins says......it's a mathematical certainty (which always reminds me of the line from titanic - that didn't end so we'll either).

Perhaps a mod can rename this thread "online slots or indeed any slot is extremely toxic when you lose but insanely awesome when you're smashing big win after big win" as that seems to be more accurate.
 

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I find it strange that (and this is'nt just counted over a one time experience, but multiple) that every slot on a online casino could turn cold, and no matter what you do you simply will lose. Like a kill switch for the casino. Many people say it's a bad luck streak, this that you name it. But there's in occasion still some wonky things going on that i've seen myself.

To be fair to you, this is something I've noticed very very often and I've pointed it out to people too. When you're not hitting, you're not hitting anywhere on anything- regardless of slot or provider. The opposite is also true, I've had sessions where I just cannot lose up to a certain threshold- the games are on fire, again it doesn't matter the game nor provider. These sessions I also seemed to experience the 'ceiling' where my balance would seemingly top out at a certain value and linger around that figure.

It is probably all just psychological though as people say otherwise it would suggest casino interference and/or provider collusion (which is highly unlikely IMO)...though these patterns/behaviours seem damn convincing at times!
 

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Dude, i am at 87.5k win in total or so. I've just bin going through the numbers. A very, very good result, on where taking a certain risk, paid off. It woud'nt suprise me if i would get banned, for #insertreason, i am costing the casino money and i woud'nt be the first one being banned for #insertreason. If you have losing streak many times, you kind of start to wonder on how the hell is that possible. Yes you will hold the casino somehow upfront and quickly believe then there is more then just a 'magical' RTP or some shit. To answer my own question: are slots random? Yes, but within the box. At the end of the day it's a mathematical algorithm which is designed to not make a loss for the casino. A certain percentage has to come back to the casino over every or a dozen spins counted.

Is it rigged? I find it strange that (and this is'nt just counted over a one time experience, but multiple) that every slot on a online casino could turn cold, and no matter what you do you simply will lose. Like a kill switch for the casino. Many people say it's a bad luck streak, this that you name it. But there's in occasion still some wonky things going on that i've seen myself.

Because; when i hit the withdrawl for the initial 65k upon 10 euro deposit, it took an awefull lot of time (and wagering) to get me there in the first place. The system really woud'nt let me 'lose' or hit bankrupt from that same initial deposit, but it woud'nt let me win above a certain threshold. From that threshold that i've had i noted that it would drop me a few k's in order to come back again and keep me somehow at it. It's a very unreal and artificial way of playing, i dont know what to think of it.

Once i withdrawled, the 20k, the doors went open again, which made me think that if i wanted to bypass that limit, i'd had to hit the withdrawl button a bit more quicker. And so i obtained the 65k pretty fast. This over the course of 3 days. Now for the last night, i was seeing the same pattern again, sticking an avg of 15k, dropping me back a few grand, and getting me back at 16k. But what if i ... i got curious, explored and boom hit the magical 22k hit on another game going max bet, from which i knew from experience, it has potential.

I withdrawled 30k last night, which should be there from now and within 24 hours or so. The processing is luckily fast and once done you cant revert that stuff back, which i really appreciate, because even the best players are still tempted to cancel any withdrawl going on and keep going within that rush. Like i said i topped at a very good bunch of numbers and as they say, leave while your ahead, which is on my list now. Dont take the above for guidance or some shit in order to hit big. I could have bin completely wrong and that is just my imagination doing it's own thing. But i know what i've done worked.

So random? Yes, but always within that box. High variance? Ouch. It could hurt or kill your complete balance. It's the reason why landbased casino's have a more normal and stable (low) variance.

But how much had you lost over the last few months, which led you to start this thread?.

£87,500 is only 1944 spins @ £45. Many a slot would eat that without giving you a feature.

I know you was playing lower bets before that, but you just got lucky that the RNG decided to chuck you a few decent wins as you upped your stakes.

Random, just being random.

If you seriously believe you have found some kind of formula, I can see this ending in tears and we might as well go back to page 1.
 
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