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Nostalgia - Unbelievable wagering requirements

Discussion in 'Online Casino and Poker Complaints - old section' started by CraigB, Mar 21, 2005.

    Mar 21, 2005
  1. CraigB

    CraigB Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    California
    I deposited 200 for a 100 bonus there. I wagered the required 45 times (over 5000) in the bonus account winning 3300 which I was able to transfer to the real account. After wagering over 9000 there I requested a withdrawal. It was reversed. After contacting online support they say I am required to wager 45 X 3300, an unvelievable 150,000 in action before I can cash in. Does this sound correct?
     
  2. Mar 21, 2005
  3. Vesuvio

    Vesuvio Dormant account

    Location:
    UK
    Unfortunately yes :( All the bonus accounts around at the moment (the Casino Action and Integrity Casino groups) have this horrible sting in the tail if you win.
     
  4. Mar 21, 2005
  5. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    Yep, it's correct....it has this in the t&c:

    "If you play any of the Blackjack (except Vegas Strip Blackjack), Roulette, and all Poker games you are required to play 45 times the amount you transfer from your Bonus Account to your Real Account"

    But, with 3300 in winnings, it will take awhile to fill the WR, but with small bets @ BJ/VP, you should be safe in filling those requirements without going bust.
     
  6. Mar 21, 2005
  7. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

    Occupation:
    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    I don't really approve of using autoplay just to fulfill wagering requirements, I have not played BJ with autoplay for months, but at this point you should just set your computer to play Atlantic City BJ at $1/hand on the fastest setting with the sound off. You should meet the WR in about 4 days.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2005
  8. Mar 21, 2005
  9. Flower Girl

    Flower Girl Dormant account

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    That seems crazy to me. That means if you hit a $5 royal flush for $20,000 you would owe 900,000 in wagering???
     
  10. Mar 22, 2005
  11. slotchik

    slotchik Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Marketing
    Location:
    USA
    yes, ANYTHING you transfer to the real account needs to be wagered that many times!!

    That is why you should make your wagering requirements FIRST in the bonus account and as soon as you make them, transfer over small increments....

    That's where they got you~~You need to wager 15x...then transfer your winnings and then another 15x...however read below if you played games that require 45x.

    What games did you play???

    here are their rules:

    Minimum Level of Play
    Your play on most games require a minimum wagered amount of 15 times the bonus amount credited to your Bonus account. The only exceptions are:


    1. Your Play on Craps, Baccarat and Vegas Strip Blackjack is not counted towards in the Minimum Level of Play requirement.



    2. If you play any of the Blackjack (except Vegas Strip Blackjack), Roulette, and all Poker games you are required to play 45 times the bonus amount credited to your Bonus Account.


    Bonus Transfer
    The player is required to meet the minimum level of play requirement of the promotion by playing in the bonus account. Once the minimum level of play requirement is met, the player may transfer their accrued winnings (less the bonus amount) to their real account.


    There is no upper limit to the amount of funds that can be transferred from the bonus account to real account; however the minimum transfer amount is 50 credits.



    A full statement of your current wagering and available winnings for transfer are available by clicking on the Casino Action link while playing in your bonus account.



    Players are required to meet a minimum wagered amount on any funds transferred from the Bonus Account to their Real Account. The wagering on most games is 15 times the transferred amount. The only exceptions are:

    1. Your Play on Craps, Baccarat and Vegas Strip Blackjack is not counted towards in the Minimum Level of Play requirement.



    2. If you play any of the Blackjack (except Vegas Strip Blackjack), Roulette, and all Poker games you are required to play 45 times the bonus amount credited to your Bonus Account.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2005
  12. Mar 22, 2005
  13. trick

    trick Dormant account

    It's been discussed before and it's a WR trap designed to turn your bonusmoney into playmoney. It kills the joy of winning anything at all.

    I would recommend against taking bonuses where these terms are in place. It really makes winning a pain in the - hmm what is the term.... - the fourth point of contact? :D
     
  14. Mar 22, 2005
  15. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    yep, if it's with the bonus $
     
  16. Mar 22, 2005
  17. largeeyes

    largeeyes Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    North America
    I thought my $93,000 WR was bad. I am done with this group until they change their ways.
     
  18. Apr 2, 2005
  19. rj314

    rj314 Webmaster

    Is this still going on? There is another group that uses these bonus accounts, Challenge, Music HAll etc. Do their WR work the same way?
     
  20. Apr 2, 2005
  21. largeeyes

    largeeyes Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Engineer
    Location:
    North America
    Yes, they all work the same at Casino ACtion Group:

    UK Casino Club
    Golden Reef
    Challenge
    Music Hall
    Aztec Riches
    Nostalgia
    Phoenician.
     
  22. Apr 7, 2005
  23. RTJ

    RTJ Dormant account

    Occupation:
    n/a
    Location:
    CA
    I won some money at Phoenician in January and February, and I didn't have to bet anywhere near that much. Did the rules change sometime after that?
     
  24. Apr 8, 2005
  25. bpb

    bpb Banned User - repeated violations of rule 1.14 (tr PABnorogue PABnonaccred

    Location:
    Haverhill
    Yes

    Their old policy was that you had to wager your deposit X times in your real account and your bonus X times in your bonus account.

    They added the requirement that any money moved from the bonus account to the real account must also be wagered X times.

    And increased X by some huge number.
     
  26. Apr 8, 2005
  27. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount.

    Occupation:
    Bum
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    Any casino that does this is insane. Like slotchick brought up earlier in this thread if you hit a jackpot (say $20,000) from the bonus money, your new WR is $900,000....totally rediculous.

    And I'm sure if you brought over a little at a time from the bonus account, you'd be banned.
     
  28. Apr 8, 2005
  29. jonevegas

    jonevegas Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Compulsive Gambler
    Location:
    Gods Country Canada
    And Integrity has the nerve to call players bonus abusers and lock accounts, if you ask me the only abuse that goes on here is by the casino itself. There is only one answer for this behavior, close all your accounts and run as fast as you can.
     
  30. Apr 8, 2005
  31. jonevegas

    jonevegas Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Compulsive Gambler
    Location:
    Gods Country Canada
    Sorry I should clarify my self that integrity did the same thing to me.
     
  32. Apr 8, 2005
  33. trick

    trick Dormant account

    You mean they closed your accounts and ran as fast as they could? :D
     
  34. Apr 8, 2005
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    It is correct, and what a bummer! Just proves they don't like winners!
    I'm not sure what I would do in your situation, but I think probably avoid the 45xWR games, and go for the quicker 15x option. Maybe start with very big bets on some of the Bonus Video Slots - which can be very profitable! I would try Stud, 3-card or PaiGow poker - if it wasn't a Microrigging site :( .. maybe have a go starting with small bets?

    But once again I find myself repeating the same old words:
    ALWAYS read and UNDERSTAND the T&C's before you deposit at ANY casino!
    This requirement SHOULD NOT have been a surprise to you! :eek:
    Sorry you had to learn the hard way.

    PS: If you did exactly the same with your $3,300 as you did with your $300 - you would end up with $36,300! :eek2:
    As a matter of interest, I really would love to know how you managed that great win in the first place - which game(s) did you play?
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2005
  36. Apr 8, 2005
  37. thelawnet

    thelawnet Dormant account

    Occupation:
    programmer
    Location:
    UK
    unfortunately this is one of the hazards of Viper casinos. Autoplay makes it too easy for people to win and withdraw. So they have horrible T&Cs on most viper casinos.

    The good news is you won, I can only guess playing Video Poker or slots.. The bad news is that you have a no-win situation with these jackpot games when they have bonus account terms like this. If you don't hit the jackpot, then you are likely to bust out as the game will effectively be paying no more than 97% (which is 3% edge), meaning you bust and lose your money. If you do hit the jackpot, then you are happy, but the casino is even happier, because rather than getting roughly 89x (to take into account the expected average loss on your bonus), the casino is getting in your case 1500x the bonus, which is very much a good thing for them, as over that much wagering you will probably lose $500 or more.

    So they force you into playing low variance games (i.e. blackjack) in order not to get totally screwed and avoid playing there again. The ironic thing about this is that blackjack has a lower HA, and will be less profitable for them in the long run, and you are also more likely to make a (small) profit (due to low variance), and come back and do their other offers as well.

    In any case if you are going to participate in a bonus account casino, your lesson is learned - play blackjack or get screwed by the casino.

    Ironically by doing this they encourage people into bonus hunting, autoplaying and everything else, because when you're told that despite having thousands of dollars in your account, you cannot withdraw, then there is NO alternative other than autoplay, because $150,000 (which as I stated above will likely cost you well over $500 of your balance, even on blackjack) would take you forever any other way.
     
  38. Apr 8, 2005
  39. jonevegas

    jonevegas Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Compulsive Gambler
    Location:
    Gods Country Canada


    HAHA, you got that right. :thumbsup:
     

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