NoLimitCity doesn't seem to follow UKGC -laws (not sure if MGA has the same laws)

The Viking

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well had hundreds of near misses just in the last week or so :) must be rigged right :rolleyes:
thats what keeps your adrenalin pumped and games exiting, when that 3rd scattter just misses but hey it lands next time :)
what do people want not seeing any scatters at all unless you get all 3,4,5 or 6 for that matter ??
 

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If my understanding is correct, symbols that are not in view (I.e above or below the reels) are not included in this rule.

tbh most of this thread goes over my head but .. why not? If a game is specifically designated in such a way where you can see like half of the symbol that is just coming or just missed wouldn't that be counted for displaying a near-miss result? Is there any reason for a game to even show what was the "next symbol"?
 

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@Buffalo Bill - been playing online casinos for over 10 years. In the good old days, games such as Fruit Case / Kings of Chicago wouldn't do stuff like this and thus felt more honest - not to mention the fact that the scatters were WAY more frequent, often producing WAY more bigger wins than these so called 'high-potential' games (still havent seen anything close to 2000xbet on Tombstone or any megaways, which was quite 'frequent' on Kings of Chicago with straight flush) :). Once, I went 400 spins on Fruit Case without scatters and thought the game was broken - compare that to megaways, where scatters each 400 spins would be considered lucky (though, they still probably wouldn't give you anything near 1000xbet)!

@The Viking : near misses aren't bad per sé. It's the fact they happen way too often to be 'natural', thus luring people to keep on playing. And as I've already stated, @chiya makes the exact same point I did earlier on this thread: no one cares if you miss some base game win, the scatters are the ones people play these new games for.
 

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Unsure what the issue is here. This has been going on for ages.

for example if you quick spin DOA1 you see the 5 scatters if you watch the reels.

it’s just part of the game and to lure you in. I think it’s stretching it to say this is tilting.

just Go in to a session with mindset of whatever is on the reels, is the hand you’ve been dealt. Don’t worry about the teases or the near misses. It’s that spin and those 15 symbols
 

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@lewisnadasurf , the issue has nothing to do with 'mindset' of a certain player :) Tilting is in each player's head. eg. Would you tilt if you get 50 GOLs in a row without D? You might not, but some other player might. The same applies on this game. If you play, say a hundred spins, getting 2 scatters 10 times, with the last one just below the 'play-area'. Some might deem it 'fun and exciting', while other players might not (while in basegame, you are lucky to get a win over 2xbet in 50 spins). I would believe that is exactly what the law is for - to prevent players from tilting.

Haven't been able to locate the MGA rules yet.
 

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@ChopleyIOM , I am using the developer tools on Firefox (F12). I search the different settings which update on each spin. Manual work, but can be done if one is persistent :)

@Gaz237 it doesnt matter if scatters are 'bigger' or not, if they are one reel position away, it is not natural and the law above should prevent this. I think you quite missed my point. @trancemonkey kindly gave me the laws by which the games should operate. If this one 'insignificant' law isn't followed and it's gone trough 'several audits by third party testers', then god only knows what other laws arent followed (compensation, bet size etc. etc.)

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@Gaz237 ... and so what if I do? Isn't that the whole point of discussion forums? If it wasn't for casinomeister, Bonanzas (still!) biggest win wouldn't have been reveiled as 'fraud'

Biggest win fraud ? What have i missed ?
 

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@lewisnadasurf , the issue has nothing to do with 'mindset' of a certain player :) Tilting is in each player's head. eg. Would you tilt if you get 50 GOLs in a row without D? You might not, but some other player might. The same applies on this game. If you play, say a hundred spins, getting 2 scatters 10 times, with the last one just below the 'play-area'. Some might deem it 'fun and exciting', while other players might not (while in basegame, you are lucky to get a win over 2xbet in 50 spins). I would believe that is exactly what the law is for - to prevent players from tilting.

Haven't been able to locate the MGA rules yet.

Ok I understand. Tbh I didn’t know the rule existed. And I would be lying if I said I hadn’t been frustrated by 20 straight teases on any game.. but that’s the nature of gambling IMO.

They may as well take away any game which teases without a bonus then?

like having 2 books on book of dead, it slows down, it seems exciting. But it misses, sometimes close sometimes far.

do you just want a generic slot which either gives bonus or doesn’t?
 

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@lewisnadasurf , the issue has nothing to do with 'mindset' of a certain player :) Tilting is in each player's head. eg. Would you tilt if you get 50 GOLs in a row without D? You might not, but some other player might. The same applies on this game. If you play, say a hundred spins, getting 2 scatters 10 times, with the last one just below the 'play-area'. Some might deem it 'fun and exciting', while other players might not (while in basegame, you are lucky to get a win over 2xbet in 50 spins). I would believe that is exactly what the law is for - to prevent players from tilting.

Haven't been able to locate the MGA rules yet.
Most of the bigger gaming providers employ Psychologists as far as I understand it. Their roll is to highlight how best to catch the attention of a play to their slot as well as how to keep them playing the game for as long as possible as well as to have them come back to the slot again and again.
I would presume that the best place to look during any audit of a slot and the potential harm it could cause would be by looking at the Psychologists recommendations? (see the UKGC's diktats on Jack and the beanstalk etc)
But then again judging by the monumental fuck ups that those at the UKGC have made over recent years they are probably not that smart
 

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@lewisnadasurf , and I havent' yet figured out if the rule is on MGA casinos where I often play - so I am , at the moment talking just about the UKGC laws (provided the game is identical on these casinos).

Book of Dead doesn't strike me as such, in my opinion it is ok to have 'excitement' in getting the third scatter. Especially as the last scatter isn't 'always' one reel position away.

And what people have seem to forgotten on the original post:

There seems to be a variable stating NearWinBigReels and nearWinReels as shown on this attachment:

There are no sounds / effects on this game if a win is 'near', so as far as I see, there is no need for this variable, other than moving the reel to 'near win' position.
 

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Most of the bigger gaming providers employ Psychologists as far as I understand it. Their roll is to highlight how best to catch the attention of a play to their slot as well as how to keep them playing the game for as long as possible as well as to have them come back to the slot again and again.
I would presume that the best place to look during any audit of a slot and the potential harm it could cause would be by looking at the Psychologists recommendations? (see the UKGC's diktats on Jack and the beanstalk etc)
But then again judging by the monumental fuck ups that those at the UKGC have made over recent years they are probably not that smart

As someone that works for one of the biggest gaming companies, I can promise you we don't employ psychologists that I am aware of, and in my role, I would likely be aware of them. Though there is of course an element of psychology in my job, I am not a psychologist - I am just someone who gambles, knows what makes gamblers tick (I think!) and uses this experience to make good games (or try to)
 

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As someone that works for one of the biggest gaming companies, I can promise you we don't employ psychologists that I am aware of, and in my role, I would likely be aware of them. Though there is of course an element of psychology in my job, I am not a psychologist - I am just someone who gambles, knows what makes gamblers tick (I think!) and uses this experience to make good games (or try to)
I bow to your much more qualified knowledge and experience Trance. But I assure you that I did read it somewhere. I don't recall now where but it came from somewhere where I thought it credible information :thumbsup:
 

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I bow to your much more qualified knowledge and experience Trance. But I assure you that I did read it somewhere. I don't recall now where but it came from somewhere where I thought it credible information :thumbsup:

I'm aware that companies have indeed employed people like that to run studies in to what makes gamblers tick... but, to my knowledge, we have nothing like that currently.
 

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I'm aware that companies have indeed employed people like that to run studies in to what makes gamblers tick... but, to my knowledge, we have nothing like that currently.
Maybe it is historic then? After all,once they have shared their incite why would a casino or producer need to continue using them?
 

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Maybe it is historic then? After all,once they have shared their incite why would a casino or producer need to continue using them?

Yup, may have read it here, i've posted about that on a few occasions iirc. And yes, historically this was done by large Land based 'interest groups' but in this day and age, with the evolution of Online, i'm pretty sure that those studies have found their way to various providers. Now i wouldn't be surprised if some providers actually have their own in-house 'professional' or employ the uncovered info heavily, more so than others...:p
 

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Yup, may have read it here, i've posted about that on a few occasions iirc. And yes, historically this was done by large Land based 'interest groups' but in this day and age, with the evolution of Online, i'm pretty sure that those studies have found their way to various providers. Now i wouldn't be surprised if some providers actually have their own in-house 'professional' or employ the uncovered info heavily, more so than others...:p

We are no different to any other product in terms of us wanting to develop something people enjoy and want to come back to. No different to food, drink, or other form of entertainment... we want to make it as good as possible within the rules so that players want to keep coming back :)
 

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We are no different to any other product in terms of us wanting to develop something people enjoy and want to come back to. No different to food, drink, or other form of entertainment... we want to make it as good as possible within the rules so that players want to keep coming back :)

Naturally, i didn't imply otherwise - but of course that does not require a psychologic analysis in most cases :p
Also, despite you yourself perhaps, and possibly a large group of product developers worldwide having the right attitude, these types of studies aren't usually instigated with the consumer's best interest in mind :)

Just to emphasize that: one of those historic studies i referred to previously, resulted in large land based operators posting many heightened RTP coin machines (that have a lot of bells and whistles going off constantly) near the exits, and alcohol and rooms being offered as comps..

Just minor examples, but that is a great example as how that's not exactly for quality improvement but rather increased monetary influx and 'forced' customer retention...

It's not against the rules but it's not really cool either. Just my opinion ofc.
 

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Probably harder to think of an industry that doesnt use some kind of subliminal messaging, brainwashing (for want of a better description) or behavioural studies to push their products.

Salesmanship is what they used to call it. Now its virtually a science.
 

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Probably harder to think of an industry that doesnt use some kind of subliminal messaging, brainwashing (for want of a better description) or behavioural studies to push their products.

Salesmanship is what they used to call it. Now its virtually a science.
Exactly
 
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