Nolimit games try and true thought experience

satchnz

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Yeah and what’s up with the word “costumer”? At first I thought it was a typo, but I’ve seen it way too many times now to think that…
 

Mouse75

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In reality though - there is not a lot of difference between 90k max win or 10k max win - yeah it will happen 9 times as often - but that (If No limit games are any comparison) will still only be one in a billion chance.
 

degerardo

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I just spoke to a friend of mine (I won't mention any names) from one of top providers (again I won't mention it) that he use to do programming on games. Now he is doing his own different thing, no the slot games anymore.
And basically, very long chat short - the chances of getting max win in reality, they add extra internal 40% on top stats. So if 1 out of 100 is max win - in reality is added 40% extra, making it 1 out of 140. This is preventing say multiple max wins across games, to ensure the profit is in.
On my question, if every new spins is a random one and acting as a new spin regardless of event happens before that spin - he said - that every single spin is behaving according of what the last spin did and it actually building up history - so not a single spin is random, but is behaving of evens that happened before (might be win, big win, lose, bonus, number of bonuses, how much bonus paid, which lines paid and how much..etc.)
JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME LIGTH INTO THAT DEEP DARK HOLE IN SLOTS :D
 

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Why would you do all this testing and asking all these questions to reps etc trying to figure things out if you could just have asked this mysterious friend how it all worked in the first place?
Seems like you could have saved alot of time and money by doing that.

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degerardo

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Well, I was having fun at the 1st place. I won quite lot of cash on MT2 - 4times over 10000x bet, Volatile Vikings also over 10000x bet, and Pirates Plenty Megaways..several two wild lady's - which I did use 15k out of it for tests I did run. For my own experience (different sayings from people = different truth's) and that why I wanted to ask directly my fav providers and NLC these questions - so we can all have an official - public answers.
Because it's funny(call it weird) that only on NLC games... you see so many max wins VS player true experience. And I did many many more spins on for example Mental then on MT2 and on Mental my max win was just over 200x bet. So I wanted to know where all these max wins are coming from. Because on my list only NLC is in all areas exception of others and on all the tests I did.
 

justdoit

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New Nolimit game Tombstone RIP

Main game hit rate is 8.7% (Ouch…)

Win cap:
– From main game: 1/130M (1/81M enhanced bet)
– From freespin: 1/1.36M (upgrade 1/109)
– From Super freespin: 1/16k

Freespins:
– Normal freespin (70x): 1/194 ( 1/96 enhanced bet)
– Super freespin (3000x): 1/85k (1/63k enhanced bet)

RTP is between 96.08 to 97.03%

UK players on 94% RTP need to add some more numbers there 😂
 

Halvor

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I just spoke to a friend of mine (I won't mention any names) from one of top providers (again I won't mention it) that he use to do programming on games. Now he is doing his own different thing, no the slot games anymore.
And basically, very long chat short - the chances of getting max win in reality, they add extra internal 40% on top stats. So if 1 out of 100 is max win - in reality is added 40% extra, making it 1 out of 140. This is preventing say multiple max wins across games, to ensure the profit is in.
On my question, if every new spins is a random one and acting as a new spin regardless of event happens before that spin - he said - that every single spin is behaving according of what the last spin did and it actually building up history - so not a single spin is random, but is behaving of evens that happened before (might be win, big win, lose, bonus, number of bonuses, how much bonus paid, which lines paid and how much..etc.)
JUST WANTED TO BRING SOME LIGTH INTO THAT DEEP DARK HOLE IN SLOTS :D
Ah the "my friend that I won't mention" lie,. classic!

If your gonna make up a lie, can't you at least do it in a fashion that makes sense mathematically?
 

degerardo

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Ah the "my friend that I won't mention" lie,. classic!

If your gonna make up a lie, can't you at least do it in a fashion that makes sense mathematically?
Well, if you think it's a lie - let's let it be a lie for you ;) All good. I don't have to proof anything to anyone. And I wouldn't gain anything from it, so I have no reason to make up things. Same for my tests I did. If you look at them, and if the lets say tests will do a max wins - or huge wins, then people will look at them like - oh how smart you were - trigger on multiple casinos same bonuses in almost same time and got almost same huge wins all across them together. So.. all good here :)
BTW- Mathematically sense in slots??? What? :) Think of RTP VS what they say about random spins - if you have already RTP set - then you cannot have every single new spin as random event, right? Because its counting to return to player from loses of previous spins.. And in slots, math doesn't make sense at all with I believe all these codes and money returns and mechanics..
 

Halvor

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BTW- Mathematically sense in slots??? What? :) Think of RTP VS what they say about random spins - if you have already RTP set - then you cannot have every single new spin as random event, right? Because its counting to return to player from loses of previous spins.. And in slots, math doesn't make sense at all with I believe all these codes and money returns and mechanics..
As your mystery mate have worked with dev(programmer), he's then been building the backend based on the maths he's been provided. I'm sure he can explain to you how the maths control the RTP. Because however you think this works, is not correct.
 

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Well, if you think it's a lie - let's let it be a lie for you ;) All good. I don't have to proof anything to anyone. And I wouldn't gain anything from it, so I have no reason to make up things. Same for my tests I did. If you look at them, and if the lets say tests will do a max wins - or huge wins, then people will look at them like - oh how smart you were - trigger on multiple casinos same bonuses in almost same time and got almost same huge wins all across them together. So.. all good here :)
BTW- Mathematically sense in slots??? What? :) Think of RTP VS what they say about random spins - if you have already RTP set - then you cannot have every single new spin as random event, right? Because its counting to return to player from loses of previous spins.. And in slots, math doesn't make sense at all with I believe all these codes and money returns and mechanics..
Your info should be sent to Wuhan for gain of function testing
 

degerardo

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If I knew it all, I wouldn't be asking community questions. And if you all know whats behind so right, you must be all rich. Or we, all of us. Lol.
 

Halvor

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If I knew it all, I wouldn't be asking community questions. And if you all know whats behind so right, you must be all rich. Or we, all of us. Lol.
There's no skill element in slots, there's absolutely nothing you can control.

There are however reels for example of hundreds of symbols, where they land is random, what's on the reel is not.

Knowing the reels makes absolute no difference to the outcome of your spins. So no, just because I know how slots work does not give me a "competitive" edge.

Again, this should be easy for your friend to explain, as he supposedly did slot builds.
 

degerardo

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Agree, friend of mine is a friend I know from gambling and just from over the net through some work I do for him from time to time. Not in person. But, i think, knowing about how games works and whats behind, might give you a bit of decission of what to play and what is happening. I did some tests and some kind of pattern is build in there with just slight difference..
To me, yes, I am interested of things in games and how they are build. Like actuall max win without bonus, the ranges in base game, ranges in basic bonuses, highest bonuses.. etc.
 
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This is looking like it could get into an 'are slots random' conversation again.

Being quite new to this forum @degerardo you would have missed all the back and forth from previously exhausting conversations, that usually end up with a few insults thrown around. Feel free to post what you want. It's a forum and open for logical and civilised discussion.

I don't believe slots are as random as has been suggested by many. There is much more to many of them than just a simple RNG.
 

degerardo

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This is looking like it could get into an 'are slots random' conversation again.

Being quite new to this forum @degerardo you would have missed all the back and forth from previously exhausting conversations, that usually end up with a few insults thrown around. Feel free to post what you want. It's a forum and open for logical and civilised discussion.

I don't believe slots are as random as has been suggested by many. There is much more to many of them than just a simple RNG.
Yeah, I wont be getting involved into off-topic talks here anymore. I did post this true experience of mine with NLC games only because for some odd reason, of what is set in their games, in stats and what people say and what you can see (so so many max wins). Simply because Relax VS NetEnt VS NLC - only NLC out of those big three never paid anything even close to what others are, not even 1000x bet and issues with higher bonuses are off of what is stated by them. And believe me, I have spent 2x or 3x more spins and bonuses buys compare to those two.
So I am going to end up this talk in here. My experience is said, is written here and thats what I wanted at the 1st place in this thread :) ;)
 

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I thought it was an interesting post, was hoping NLC would cast some light on the subject, even if it was to say its nothing more than a random coincidence.

They probably missed the thread or have better things to do, which is understandable, their input in CM has been exemplary.
 

degerardo

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I thought it was an interesting post, was hoping NLC would cast some light on the subject, even if it was to say its nothing more than a random coincidence.

They probably missed the thread or have better things to do, which is understandable, their input in CM has been exemplary.
Thanks, I thought so as well, that people will be interested to see/hear that kind of experience without any "colors added" to it. Plain - straight ones.
Anyway - I think it is probably way too sensitive topic to get any good answers from any providers. :) Our unknown gives them more control to do things we cannot chase and that gives them more profit. But I have to say also B-side that NLC did post in other forum some insights for Tombstone RIP that contains a few answers to my questions in other thread for that game. So I am sure they have seen my posts. At least we got something ;)
 

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plain english fake win
😮 This was a real winner on a real casino, with a real (non-crypto) balance :thumbsup:

We have never and would never share anything 'fake'. Also for the record, we hold a UKGC license ourselves so you can trust us.
 

justdoit

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😮 This was a real winner on a real casino, with a real (non-crypto) balance :thumbsup:

We have never and would never share anything 'fake'. Also for the record, we hold a UKGC license ourselves so you can trust us.
I was talking about this one is crypto win
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