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No Worries - Dash - Anyone else?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by kimss, Dec 20, 2007.

    Dec 20, 2007
  1. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Been scratching my head at Dash casino the past month since No Worries arrived. It seems that 14/15 from my stats the feature arrives between 225-300 spins, even more often 250-300.

    Therefore I start with 1 line $0.01 bet, 200 spins. then start $0.09 10 spins, and from 250 I do +1.8 spins depending on greed. However, 14/15 times?

    At 32Red it seems you can bet your ass you need 100 spins first before anything happends.

    Writing down stats it seems 32Red needs ~130 spins for first feature, and Dash needs ~250 spins.

    Especially Dash being so extremely consistent on this, just did it again, and on spin 292 it hit on $2.25. Ive been getting the feature on everything from $0.01 to $9, hoever the best win was at 0.5 (5 lines x 10). I have had way more features on $1.8, bad it's bad luck I guess.

    But the question however, other players at Dash - you also have this strange pattern? It would be funny to know, since this would tell me if the system adapt to the player style and betting.
     
  2. Dec 20, 2007
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    What you're suggesting is that the game is not 100% random.
    If it's not random then surely you are not going to win whatever strategy you employ? :confused:

    I'm not questioning your results - but maybe you need a much bigger sample to be sure of any 'pattern'.
    Would be good to plot out the reels & find the theoretical chance of getting the feature, but I don't have 8-10 hours to spare... do you?

    I've only played the game a couple of times, because as you pointed out, the feature is pretty hard to hit. I'll try a few more goes on it & see what I get... if I can get a decent connection to MG ever again! :mad:
     
  4. Dec 20, 2007
  5. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Location:
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    Well, I have several casinoes installed. But on Dash for some reason when I launch No Worries it always needs +200 spins to get feature. I believe 1 time it triggered around 100 spins. After the feature has triggered, it seems to be around 175 for each feature with the normal variations.

    My point here, when you start the game and play for the 1st feature, this happends consistantly. I have the playcheck data - so I'm no fool, it must be atleast 30 times now the last week this happened without exception!

    You question my reason for asking, but honestly - do you find it strange taking my observations into account? That I would like to know. I think you would reach the same head scratching as me.
     
  6. Dec 21, 2007
  7. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    I have played this slot several times and on my first ever spin at this slot I got the 5 boomerangs. Then they varied from 20 to about 150 spins to get the feature. This slot treats me well whereas at Gladiator, it took me more than 350 spins to get the feature. The very next time it took only 8 spins so I do think you have to test it over a longer period.

    PS Did you play No Worries at other casinos just to prove your point?
     
  8. Dec 21, 2007
  9. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Sure, Ive played it daily since it arrived. I am quite sure I have more than enough data on this slot for my agony, it is truly odd.

    What you are infact telling me, is one of the many thing one would expect from the game - and therefore also one of the main points behind this point. When I launch the game, I should NOT be able to predict 200 empty spins before a feature, sadly I do and it does. I write 14/15 times this happends, most likely 29/30 would be more accurate but I give my recollection the benefit of the doubt and write 14/15.

    Yes I did. I mention 32Red which has a different approach to the trigger. However I never got the feature in the first 50 spins in 32red, and that is never. The only time I spun more than 175 times for a feature in 32Red was when i startet bumping up the wager from spin 100 (!! how unlucky !!), took me 443 spins to get the feature on $2.25 and it payd $17 or so.

    My 32Red run, for those interesed was, this was when I started playing No Worries there.

    Wagering 1 line 0.01 euro:
    113 spins for feature
    62 spins for feature
    2 spins for feature
    106 spins for feature
    90 spins for feature
    75 spins for feature
    146 spins for feature
    122 spins for feature45 spins for feature
    -- Now we start bumping wager from spin 100...
    443 spins for feature... We win $17...
    -- We keep high wager, since this run was bad compared to earlier
    253 spins for feature... We win $45...

    Then I packed my gear and shifted slot!

    It's obvious again, I have very bad luck it seems when increasing bet, LOL!
     
  10. Dec 21, 2007
  11. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    On the increase of bet sizes:

    You: Crikes. I am on a good run so i increase my bet sizes and I lose

    Casino: He has been on a good run and so it is only normal that he
    starts to lose some back due to the law of averages.



    You: I lost so many hands/spins in a row so I should start to have a good
    run now so this is the best time to increase bets but I still lose.


    Casino: What would you expect. You are on a losing streak and you should have halved your bets instead of increasing them. What lousy strategy.


    Motto: You never win.
     
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  12. Dec 21, 2007
  13. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Yes, it does seems to be the logical sollution. It is abit humorous when you look at it. It is kinda obvious getting a dry spell since I upped the bet, I should have learned this by now. I should have known as soon as it went past spin 146, as this was the past "record". On the other hand, the argument that it was time for a dry spell still holds water and is statistically normal. The player will never win this argument, the casino will always win.

    The other thing, which by the way isn't that humurous, statistically normal or not - I'm the loosing end getting the bad luck.

    I had a similar go on Thunderstruck in Dash last month, a costly affair! I must have mapped the feature atleast 50 times on 0.01 bet before I started upping the wager from spin 100 and was doing 4.5 euroes pretty fast since I was so damn dure it should hit before spin 150... it took a whopping 490 spins for the feature!! My oh my! Bad luck, I know. As an extra kick in the nuts, the feature didn't pay nothing but a pair of 9s either! I lost over 1K on that feature-run (as I call it)!

    So i apparently have extremely bad luck when I up my wager, again and again! LOL (and that is a very ironical LOL by the way!)

    The moral for this, do NOT trigger the feature many times for so to up the bet! The system will seriously penalize you! Atleast it happends to me most of the time! (I would need to dive into my playcheck if I were to write every time, don't have time for that so we say most of the time which is very true).
     
  14. Dec 21, 2007
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yikes! :eek:

    I played it at Ladbrokes when I finally got a connection around midnight...
    Don't have the exact figures (I'm at work now :( ), but it triggered on something like spin 210 - 220 I think, at 90p per spin;
    Luckily I picked 25 spins; First time it only offered 39.90 which I thought was crap, so I re-played the spins & got something a little over 60.
    Did another 25 spins, but no luck so quit 17 up.

    I actually quite like this game, so I'll try to do a few more sessions over the Christmas holiday* & see what I get.

    * 4 more hours at work then off for ELEVEN days - Yippee! :eat: :drink: :yahoo:
     
  16. Dec 21, 2007
  17. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    It took me 1500 spins to hit the feature on "No Worries". My previous 'record' without hitting the freespins was 1000 spins on "Dolphin Tale".

    Same here! :cheers:
     
  18. Dec 21, 2007
  19. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Oh, I have had worse! Seem to recall 25 spins with 8x at 1.8 ended around 20 since nothing appeared on the reels... Repeated the 25 spins and got below 10 in the end...

    It is however an incredible interesting slot since you can accually repeat the spins!

    Due to the fact that Dash gives me the "predicted" naked spins I have managed to win on this slot most of the times (unless feature is really bollocks), usually start the session with it but usually the feature only pays like 50-100 betting 0.9-1.8 - based on say 100 features or so. I seem to recall winning over 200 on the freespins have happened only 3-4 times to me. Best win was accually with 5lines x 10 (0.5) where I got 2 kangoroos with 2 wilds and 3 or 4 multiplier. Oh, yes I had one 500+, I remember, :D Birdies.

    I would love to have you try it on Dash casino, since I am very interested in knowing if you aswell get the same "pattern" that my account gives. I find this interesting since this will tell us if gameplay is different from player to player inside the same casino.

    You probably remember the poster who had won alot in Thunderstruck I believe, and sat spinning over the phone with his girlfriend at the same game, same casino, however she won all the time and he went bust...

    So if your up for it, please install Dash and do some No Worries there. Remember that it's only the first feature I'm talking about - when you start the game and spin for first feature.

    Happy spinning!
     
  20. Dec 21, 2007
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Sure - will do.
    I haven't claimed my monthly at Dash yet, so I'll do that & invest it in your experiment.
    If it works I'll invest the winnings in some lager! :cheers:
     
  22. Dec 21, 2007
  23. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    I just had to verify my claim, and here is the result.

    No worries:
    230 - 1 x 0.01
    11 - 5 x 0.01
    feature: 20,10,15,25,18
    Picked 2, 10 spins, Feature cost: 3.27
    First run: 3.90
    Second run: 3.65
    Win: 0.38, wee!

    do 4 spins on Isis to "break" No Worries session...
    - - - -
    Reconnect, startbalance 50.04
    225 spins, 1 x 0.01, balance: 49.10
    25 spins, 5 x 10, balance: 42.10 - (ouch 4 beavers, 1 wild, on line 7 spin 231)
    10 spins, 9x10 0.01, balance: 36.00
    10 spins, 9x10 0.01, balance: 28.80
    10 spins, 9x10 0.01, balance: 26.50
    10 spins, 9x10 0.02, balance: 14.50
    10 spins, 9x 5 0.05, balance: 25.00
    5 spins, 9x 6 0.05, balance: 18.70
    10 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 41.40 (refilled 50 more)
    25 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 23.90
    8 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 1.50
    refill 100 more... 200 in total.
    22 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 87.15
    370 spins now... record is 443 at 32red, this is at the moment record in Dash!
    20 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 51.10
    10 spins, 9x 7 0.05, balance: 121.45 (4 cats)
    400 spins... I say... Upping to 9x 10 - going for the whole mile today. (bad idea!)
    10 spins, 9x10 0.05, balance: 76.45 (naked spins)
    33 spins, 9x10 0.05, balance: 18.95
    New record... To bad Im paying for it!
    5 spins, 9x10 0.05, balance 1.45 when feature hits!
    20,25,15,18,10 - Picked 18 spins at 4.5 euro wager, cost for feature 198,55
    - 5 10s at line 1 3x 6s spin, which basically means I must keep this round, pay 180.
    - 3 cats 8th spin.
    - 11 spin, 3 pandas with wild (kengoroo stopped 5)
    - Total win in round: 359.50
    Gain: 159.50, however we had to deposit and get into the "high roller moode", wopsy! Costly affair usually!
    - - - - -
    Dragons loot, 18x4, 17x20 lines, 4 triggers: start 80.
    - feature win, 31.20 !!!! That is 18 spins 13.6 worth pr spin, what?
    - - - - -

    From there on whooo it went, I couldn't stop. Let's just say I maxed out badly. Should have sticked to the plan it seems! Bummer! I'll post a little screenie in the looser department in a second, should have known that was a "sign" from above to stop, LOL.
     
  24. Dec 22, 2007
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I haven't got to Dash yet - rather a lot of pre-Christmas stuff going on right now.
    But I did have another bash on it a Ladbrokes last night;
    Started with 100 spins @ 2p/line, then upped by 1p/line every 50 spins...
    The feature finally hit on spin No. 398, at which point I was on 8p/line.
    Picked 15 spins; First go was a crappy 17.76 which I was not happy with so I played the spins again.
    This time the very first hit was more than 17.76 :thumbsup: - ended up with 49.76
    50 more spins @ 8p/line produced zilch, so stopped an enormous 4 up.

    So avoided losing again, but Jeeeze this feature is a rare one to hit.

    Have you ever tried taking the 'Mystery Prize' instead of the re-spins?
    Can't see many slot players going for this - but it could be a good one, you never know!

    KK
     
  26. Dec 22, 2007
  27. kimss

    kimss Senior Member

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    Software developer
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    Norway
    No Worries killed me now, I truly hate this slot now!

    250 spins 0.01 wager
    500 spins 4.5 worth pr spin, no feature!

    Thats 750 spins in total, and no feature! Cost me almost 800 dollars!

    Edit: Managed to dunk another 300 into the slot, one would think a dry spell of 750 spins would maby result in the feature appearing a little earlier the nest session. No way, another 100 spins without any feature, or win for that matter.

    I am all done it seems! High wagering really kills you, I have prooven that by now! Just got the stats from Dash,
    Total wagered: 9044 euroes, payout: 6901 euroes. That is +2K in losses for this wonderful slot! 76,3% payout. By the way, the losses pops when you wager high it seems! One day a big hit could appear probably, only to zero out the balance. Hrmfpf!
     

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