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No wonder terms are so convoluted...

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by chayton, May 5, 2013.

    May 5, 2013
  1. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    ...and the casino are so quick to suspect everyone of fraud.

    This is the third time I've seen something like this online, where a former 'player' is You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I'd think these types of sites would draw the line when someone is trying to get someone to commit fraud...?
     
  2. May 5, 2013
  3. weesie

    weesie Ueber Meister

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    Hi Chayton,

    I don't know how you found this article but you are correct. This is terrible. Honest players would never do this. Any site that would promote this should be avoided at all costs.

    I know many players who have lost money. Heck everyone losses some times if not most times. That is no excuse to do something like this.

    It is called gambling for a reason. People who do this must not know the meaning of the word.
     
  4. May 5, 2013
  5. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    The article is five years old though! :)
     
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  7. weesie

    weesie Ueber Meister

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    I noticed that too, but if it is still "out there", it can still send players the wrong idea.
     
  8. May 5, 2013
  9. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yes and there's another one that I found that's on blogger - it's also from You must register/login in order to see the link. and possibly written by the same person. But I found it accidentally, I was doing a search for something about problem gambling - I wish I could remember the exact search terms - but it showed up on the first page in Google search results.

    And that stupid ripoff report is always near the top of the pile on Google too - that place is such a scam. Any moron with a computer can go write whatever damaging crap they want, and if you want to 'clear your name' you can pay them $2K for a mediation service or some sh*t. :mad:

    The reason I found it is because I was trying to find ClubWorld on facebook, and that popped up in the links. So just because it's old doesn't mean it's not being seen.
     
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  10. May 6, 2013
  11. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Sorry, don't know what I was thinking....sheesh I just reported this so maybe a mod can kill the links before I give them more link popularity!
     
  12. May 6, 2013
  13. just play

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    When I just came on a few minutes ago there was 450 users here looking at "online casinos" (this section). I think now it's down to 350, I thought it was a mistake so I refreshed. I have never ever seen that many users at one time, in one section, maybe there are a lot of people trying to learn about this. :rolleyes: (rolling my eyes at them, not you Chayton :D )

    How long can go by before you cannot edit your post anymore?
     
  14. May 6, 2013
  15. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Already too late - I can edit my post about reporting the post, but can't modify the post.

    The good news is that Google loves casinomeister so if the mods change it it will be refreshed in Google too. I think.

    And don't you roll your eyes at me! Just kidding, go ahead. :p

    EDIT: Funny, I just remembered a line from one of those slushpile sites, "He tossed his head in the direction of the door..."
     
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  17. just play

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    :rolleyes:











    :lolup:
     
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  18. May 6, 2013
  19. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    The one from 2009 does at least say that if you ever want to be able to play again, don't do it, however the reasoning at the end is misleading. It claims that "problem gamblers" should chargeback as this is the best way to protect themselves from being lured to play more because the chargeback blacklist would mean no casino would accept them. It tries to make it look as though by encouraging problem gamblers to charge back, they are doing the casinos a service by enabling them to ensure such problem gamblers are excluded in future.

    They have quite a technical argument as to why (in the US at least) you can skirt around the laws about actually lying to the bank in order to get the money back. This legal argument may or may not work, it would need a test case to determine which. Get caught lying on an affidavit, and you could end up doing time, even if you got the money back.

    Now this is US specific due to how casinos get around UIGEA, yet the US has been the one country that casinos in the past have NEVER imposed additional terms on their players, which for others they have defended as being "down to higher levels of fraud from your particular country".

    Clearly, the HIGHEST level of fraud is likely to come from the US, and helped along nicely by UIGEA.

    Here in the UK, a card deposit would be correctly billed, and if a player tried claiming they had never heard of, nor authorised, the gambling transaction, this could easily be countered by the merchant contesting that the deposit was authorised, and that play took place from the customers' own machine. It would be very hard to argue that this was anything other than an "inside job", and thus almost impossible to get a refund via the bank. A straight chargeback would be out of the question, instead a UK player would have to argue that they did make the deposit, but that the service they signed up for was not provided. If you placed a bet and lost, then the service WAS provided, the player was merely unlucky.

    Rather than running scared of eWallets and insisting players used the "preferred deposit method" of credit/debit card, casinos should ban such cards altogether, and insist on the use of deposit methods where such chargebacks are not possible.

    A player can't charge back a Neteller deposit, yet so many casinos freeze Neteller users out of the best promotions, and only allow players who deposit by card to receive them. This tells me that for non US casinos at least, the fear of chargeback from a card user is outweighed by whatever additional cost or risk is involved with Neteller or Skrill deposits.

    However, the vast majority of player unfriendly terms that have been cropping up have NOTHING to do with chargebacks, so it is a weak argument to say that chargebacks are the main driver of the tightening up of terms and conditions.

    I don't think anybody moderates this Rip Off Report site, and there seem to have been some pretty creative and questionable claims about some companies featured there. If it WAS moderated, I would have expected that at least a moderator would have stressed the dangers of trying to manipulate UIGEA in order to get a "free shot" gamble at casinos.
     
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  20. May 6, 2013
  21. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I just read a story about some woman who left her abusive husband who then proceeded to ruin her and her family's reputation by pretending to be a social worker and posting a whole bunch of really nasty stuff about them on Ripoff Report. And they're so in bed with Google it's like the first thing that comes up if you search for the family name.

    It's just ridiculous that they're allowed to get away with a lot of the stuff they publish. They can get away with it because they don't write the content. But they can't prove they don't write the content or hire someone to do it. Plain and simple, it's extortion.

    Actually they'll have to enjoy it while they can, because sooner or later people will get wise to the fact that you can trust absolutely NOTHING you read on that site as factual. Then those big companies who are being extorted for thousands will say, "You know what? Nobody believes anything on that site anyhow so who cares what your shills are saying?"
     
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  23. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    So, how come Pirate Bay can't get away with it on the same grounds. They have been blocked here in the UK by court order.

    Perhaps rather than rant about being ripped off and a guide on how to make a chargeback, how about posting report about the rip off nature of DVDs, and then a guide on how to use BitTorrent to get them much cheaper. That is sure to have some very heavy handed lawyers after them demanding they start removing content from the site. I can't see MGM entering into "mediation" with the likes of movie pirates, even though $2000 is peanuts to them.

    In any case, why not just have someone from the company post a reply without handing over a cent to the site.

    I have already seen a number of reports on that site that beggar belief, so I don't take it as a genuine consumer information guide, merely a place to rant. I think the OP of that report is just a sore loser, so therefore was "ripped off" by Club World, and now wants revenge by making sure that not only do others see the negative report, but go on to charge back their losses too in order to REALLY put the pressure on.
     
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  25. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    Sorry for the brief derail, but your comment reminds me of this commercial

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    There really is so much crap on the web, and so many people believe what they want to believe rather than dig deeper and research....

    /derail
     
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  26. May 7, 2013
  27. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I love that commercial! :thumbsup:

    But you know, people are going to use the internet to research stuff because they'll think they're being smart by doing it. And they are smart by doing it if they do it right.

    But a large percentage of people don't know what they're doing - remember a few years ago when a bunch of people went to that blog and it said in the comments 'sign in with Facebook' and they did and then started complaining "where's mah pictures" "where's mah Farmville" "I don't like this new Facebook" ? The blog owners were like WTF? :confused: And then realized that ALL of these people went to Google and searched for "Facebook login" and clicked the first bloody link (which was an article about logging into Facebook) that showed up thinking they were going to Facebook! The "Change Facebook back to the way it was" comments went on for pages and pages, even after the blog owners put a big red disclaimer at the top and bottom of the article saying "This ISN'T Facebook!!"

    Anyhow my point is that there are just as many people using the internet who don't know what they're doing than ones who do. I suppose that's why phishing scams are still going on.
     
  28. May 7, 2013
  29. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Actually Bryan responded to a comment there at least once from that guy Actor Eddie - I'm pretty sure he didn't pay to do it either.
     
  30. May 7, 2013
  31. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    The casinos have people setting up fraudulent accounts with ripped off IDs, ticked off players who chargeback because they lose... like you said... no wonder us regular folks have to spend so much time proving we are who we are and that our cards are our own.
     
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