No, Mr Bond... I expect you to win!

[Slotster!]

Amazing story!

They deserve their winnings for the sheer audacity and technical expertise. I'd love to see how this actually worked, and how they were able to use it so accurately.

Must've been staking some serious money over the two nights!

What do we think of the judgement in their favour too? Interesting, and could open the floodgates to all sorts of technical wizadry!!!

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[m249a]

Score one for the good guys

 

[sw2003]

That is pretty cool! Actually their scanner did interfere with the roulette ball by a teeny tiny tiny tiny ............................................tiny tiny amount but not in such a way that they can control where it eventually lands.

 

[Petunia]

Score one for the good guys

**Just a thought: If the casino takes the money, which you willingly give them, knowing that the odds are MOSTLY in their favour and of course they will not deny it categorically, then they are bad. If you use 'outside help' and you 'cheat', you are the 'good guys' ? Hmmm. What an odd world and time we live in **

 

[Slotster!]

I don't think it's the ripping the casino bit off that's impressive, it's the manner in which they did it. Incredible story, right out of a James Bond film.

That's what makes me in awe of them, as opposed to condemning them for cheating.

If anyone gets to see any pictures of the devices, or information on how it works, I'd be dead interested! Kudos for coming up with the idea, naughty for trying to scam casinos out of money with it.

At least the online lot are safe!!

 

[m249a]

**Just a thought: If the casino takes the money, which you willingly give them, knowing that the odds are MOSTLY in their favour and of course they will not deny it categorically, then they are bad. If you use 'outside help' and you 'cheat', you are the 'good guys' ? Hmmm. What an odd world and time we live in **

Typically I look at my experience at a casino as me vs. them. I place a wager, in hope that I take some of their money. The casino goes to great lengths to ensure they have an advantage over the player, and there is nothing wrong with that. Everything from the placement of the machines, tables, the noise, carpet, lights ect...EVERYTHING is structured to keep the player inside the casino, and losing money. They make no attempt to conceal any of this. If you find a way to lower THEIR advantage, they declare war on you as a player. Case in point would be card counters. This is a perfect example of the casinos crying about their edge beign lowered, when the player does nothing more then play the game. Card counters are not cheaters, this is a battle fought and lost by the casinos. They do not affect the cards in any way shape or form, they simply play the game by tracking mathmatical probalities.
The players in question with the lasers and micro-computers, did not cheat. They didn't affect the ball or the wheel. They tracked the probabalities of where the ball would land and bet accordingly. The casinos cried foul, and lost. So yes, score one for the good guys.
Now the casinos will ban outside laser pointers, and cpu's and cell phones and whatever else they feel like, and thats ok too. Its their business, and they can say or do whatever the hell they feel like. But this tiny little victory for the player stands. It is us vs. them folks. Any other way to look at it is wrong.

 

[sw2003]

**Just a thought: If the casino takes the money, which you willingly give them, knowing that the odds are MOSTLY in their favour and of course they will not deny it categorically, then they are bad. If you use 'outside help' and you 'cheat', you are the 'good guys' ? Hmmm. What an odd world and time we live in **

You have to define what exactly you meant by cheating! Is counting card cheating in your dictionary?

Is casino who uses a mechanical device to shuffle cards cheating because they were meant to be shuffled by hand?

I think most people would draw the line at actually interfering with the game and affecting the game in your favor. But these people in question did not do that, they just use all the information that they can get. It is not as if it is illegal to look at the ball before it lands on one of the numbers.

 

[oldman]

Ritz Roulette 1.3m win scam

London, Dec. 6 Three gamblers suspected of using a hi-tech mobile phone laser beam at Londons Ritz Casino being allowed to keep their 1.3m winnings, has prompted casinos across Britain to review their security.
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The gamblers laser device in the mobile phone allegedly enabled them to predict with more probability the outcome of every spin of a roulette wheel. But Scotland Yard has failed to find evidence to prosecute the gamblers and refunded them the significant quantity of cash which officers seized after their arrest.

The group, described as a chic and beautiful Hungarian woman, 32, and two elegant Serbian men, aged 33 and 38, had been on police bail for nine months but are now free to leave the country.

Scotland Yard spent nine months investigating whether the trio conned the Ritz Casino in London.

Reports from Budapest say the Hungarian woman was well known at the capital's top casinos and had been banned as a result. But on March 16 when she walked into the Ritz accompanied by her two friends, aged 33 and 38, she did not initially raise the suspicions of croupiers.

The 32-year-old woman watched as the roulette ball settled on her selection then cashed in her Ritz chips for 100,000. The following evening the three returned to the Ritz casinos roulette tables. This time they won 1.2m.

The Ritz's management suspected they were using a scanner inside a mobile phone which measured the speed of the ball as the croupier released it and calculated where the ball would settle.

The phone data was then beamed to a microcomputer, which ran through thousands of possible outcomes to forecast which section numbers the ball would land in. This data was flashed on to the screen of the phone just before the wheel made its third spin, by which time all bets must be placed.

Having reduced their odds of winning from 37-1 to 6-1, the trio placed bets on all six numbers in the section where the ball would likely end up.

What do you think about this, Ladies and Gentlemen? Don't you think this is the end of Casino Epoch ???...
Even if casino management will ban mobiles on casino grounds, peeps will instal laser scanners in watches, spectacles, eyes! , whatever, - just to grab a lumpsum !

 

[The Dude]

Hi Oldman,

That's what we've been talking about

 

[oldman]

Upps... looks like I'm late as usually...

 

[Petunia]

** Let me say this.
"One man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist" - This can be applied to the gambling industry as well.
"One man's cheat is another's hero!"- Or something

There is always two sides to it, in this case, there is no right or wrong because that depends on which side of the fence you stand.
Had they lost that vast amount of money... well, I guess it would have been a whole new story altogether!

"The gamblers laser device in the mobile phone allegedly enabled them to predict with more probability the outcome of every spin of a roulette wheel. But the casino spotted this, and after a few adjustments, the gambler's lost a vast sum of money. They have now appealed to the courts on account of the casino cheating. Mr Bollocks says: They did not like us winning. We have a right to get our money back because they knew about the device and then they cheated by doing something to make us loose! These people are cheats!" "

My 2c and by now there should be a pound floating around the boards! **

 

[oldman]

Posts full of spirit as usually..
Spiritual Action Lady, need to say more..? :notworthy
Petunia, I agree with you, but still the guys were smart, they cheated even old fella Einstein... They deserve admiration, don't you think so..?

 

[Petunia]

** Old man, have I implied that they were anything but brilliant in how they did it. Nope, I have avoided that part altogether, because, IMHO, a great plan,executed to the number makes a master, but not altogether a hero.
**

 

[oldman]

But what are heroes..?

 

[Clayman]

"One man's cheat is another's hero!"

They played by the rules. They won. They got paid. Just the way it should be.

Had they done exactly the same thing in Vegas, they'd be serving time with a felony conviction.

Nice playing in a country that has no laws against "gambling devices".

 

[sw2003]

They played by the rules. They won. They got paid. Just the way it should be.

Had they done exactly the same thing in Vegas, they'd be serving time with a felony conviction.

Nice playing in a country that has no laws against "gambling devices".

Gambling device? They just have a cellphone and a computer with a certain program! There is no law against having cellphone, scanner or computer!

 

[m249a]

Gambling device? They just have a cellphone and a computer with a certain program! There is no law against having cellphone, scanner or computer!

Dunno if I would want to test that theory in Vegas

 

[Petunia]

*Point taken Clayman. They did not cheat. I still would like to know what the results would have been had the shoe been on the other foot... i.e: The casino used a magnet (which is not against the law) to draw the ball once they figure out that you are using such a 'device' as to calculate the spin. I am SURE that if the casino was let off on the technicality "It is not against the rules as they stand" the whole world would have a FIT. Either way. What they did went against the 'natual' game play, and as I do understand that it is part of technology, and part of the future, and pretty natural in this day and age... They did NOT walk up to the dealer and said "Hey, we have this device, check it out". This way or that, for as long as there is gambling there will be players trying to outsmart the establishment, and establishments trying to outsmart the players. THAT is just the way it goes. I miss the good old days of "Maverick" when the game was played with pride and you got shot for being a smart ass. Idealistic as it is**