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Next Casino and the misleading email

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Azzurri, May 24, 2014.

    May 24, 2014
  1. Azzurri

    Azzurri Banned User

    Occupation:
    Non of your business
    Location:
    From Foil Land
    This is my latest installment in my personal crusade to have all casinos be very clear and transparent in their dealings with we the customers.

    Now I'm by no means labeling Next a rogue or untrustworthy outfit, and until this incident, I had an active account with Next and Casino Luck, and happily played there intermittently when I felt like a change from my regular sites. For me, this incident has me questioning their integrity, and I'm disappointed that a casino like them should be making, what is by their own admission, a mistake. Seeing as this 'mistake' nearly led to me making a deposit unwittingly, I can't help but think that if I didn't stop and think about it, would I have just played perfectly into their plans to begin with?

    I'll let you decide.

    So I received an email from their support, and I quote:

    "Hi Azzurri,


    Introducing our brand new game, Lights!

    We're always delighted to present a new game to our players and we're particularly excited about Lights. This new Netent releae features 5 reels, 9 pay-lines and floating wilds, not to mention the stunning graphics and sound effects. You'll be especially impressed by the fireflies that appear when the sun goes down.

    Log in today and try it out for yourself!

    We wish you a pleasant time at our site

    Warm regards,

    NextCasino.com"


    This was directly followed below it with:

    *General free spins and bonus terms apply. Please note: Winnings from these free spins will only be visible and can only be wagered in games from the software provider "Netent" until the standard free spins wagering requirement has been met. After this, the funds will be released to your casino base account (and can be used in any game).

    Now, I read this and my first thought was yuck! Not another free spin offer on that terrible game! However, I was already planning to play again tonight, so I thought while am at it, I might as well accept the offer for a laugh, then make a deposit and play for real.

    So I go to the effort of logging into Next, open the slot Lights, and there are no free spins present. I contacted support, explained the email, and was then told I had no free spins on offer and if I could send a copy of the email. I did this, and was then informed that it was a newsletter, and did not mention any free spins being awarded. :confused:

    Now I have been called many things, but a blunt tool in the shed I am not. The CS agent can tell me how confused I must be all they want, but if they can't see how that email could be misinterpreted and blatantly misleading, then this only cements my suspicions of dirty marketing, with misleading information given with the sole purpose of getting customers to the site and depositing under false pretenses.

    Now those of you who have played that terrible game Lights, will know I mean it when I say this is not about 5 or 10 free spins on that shitty slot. It's the principle of unnecessarily misleading customers by using poor wording that can only be interpreted as a free spin offer. If I am wrong, why the hell is that last paragraph even included, as it is clearly a disclaimer and instructions which refers to "these free spins".

    Next can come here now and offer whatever excuse they please, but the evidence is there in black and white. The last $100 of my $1,000 budget this week probably would have come to you if that email was simply an advertisement for that new game. However, the misleading pretense of free spins cost you that deposit, and my account is now closed, costing you further deposits.

    The message is clear to all casinos. Keep it simple and cut the bullshit. Casinos like Next should know better, and IMO, a professional outfit shouldn't be making 'mistakes' such as this.

    To then have your CS agent talk to me like I'm blind and stupid is outrageous!

    And I quote:

    "That is a newsletter with information about the new game, it does not mention any awarded freespins to you.

    Best regards,
    XXXX"


    Really?!! Oh, ah der I'm sowee. I mus be reedin dem dar udder wurds.

    Have a good re-read of that last paragraph XXXX and the Next crew, then tell me again it makes no mention of any free spins being awarded.

    Rant over and patiently awaiting an apology for being spoken to like a blind and stupid fool. :mad:
     
  2. May 24, 2014
  3. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    I also got a mail from them, but I did get the free spins...and a 50% bonus too.

    What have happened is probably just that they forgot to remove the rules for the free spins. They did two different emails and made a clear mistake. That can happen.

    I think you're overreacting a little. When I get free spins I know I have them.
    For me it's worse when they fool me by saying free spins in the headline and then it takes a deposit to get them.
     
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  4. May 24, 2014
  5. Azzurri

    Azzurri Banned User

    Occupation:
    Non of your business
    Location:
    From Foil Land
    It's not about the spins dude. With that game I would have been lucky to win 3 cents. It's the fact that the email was clearly misleading, and then instead of apologizing and owning the error, the CS preferred to deny what was clearly in writing and try to make me feel like the idiot for raising the query.

    I logged into Next and would have deposited due to that particular email that was sent insinuating I had free spins waiting. If the free spins then aren't there, and I have just been directed to the site to deposit, that is then trying to gain customers money under false pretenses.

    I can accept mistakes happen, but it's a pretty big mistake to make, and at the very least own it. Don't try turning it on the customer and convince me I'm not seeing what I'm clearly seeing. Only Jedi's can get away with using the Jedi Mind Trick, and I highly doubt the CS agent moonlights as a Jedi.
     
  6. May 24, 2014
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Breathing
    Location:
    Sweden
    It's kind of fun how different we see things :)

    A big mistake? I would say a tiny one.
    Clearly in writing? Not at all.

    Remember that they didn't reply like that to your mail to make you feel like an idiot.
    If you choose to feel like that then it's your choise.
    You could choose to just shake it off and move forward.

    I hope you don't get upset at me for writing this now.
    I don't think you're an idiot ;)
     
  8. May 24, 2014
  9. homerbert

    homerbert I-Gaming Industry Representative webby

    Occupation:
    nothing :)
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    middle of Europe!
    no any problem here, i did not know what you want? where you read that they credit you freespins?
    I get same email, and i see from this email that no freespins for me. Like 99.9% other players. You make mistake, and blame casino here, with what point?
     
  10. May 24, 2014
  11. me_and_ed

    me_and_ed Ueber Meister CAG MM

    Occupation:
    Selling out
    Location:
    Vancouver
    I received the same email as well, it was not like the emails I get from Next that clearly state free spins, sorry but I don't see it either.
     
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  12. May 24, 2014
  13. CasinoLuck_Eric

    CasinoLuck_Eric Official Rep for CasinoLuck - CM Accredited Casino

    Occupation:
    Casino Manager
    Location:
    Europe
    No one is trying to mislead you, Azurri.

    It is just as Trilej says, a small fine print footer text at the bottom of the newsletter template that our tech guy forgot to remove from a previous newsletter. A standard footer text stating that various terms apply. That is it. I don't see how this could fool someone into believing that their account has been credited with free spins. Regardless of that, please accept our apologies for the mistake of merely having it there.

    If you have been a member of ours and received newsletters before you can track back and see that when we offer a customer free spins, we clearly state this inside the newsletter with something like "your account has been credited with X free spins in game Y" and we also usually state this in the subject line of the newsletter. None of this was the case here. This was a purely informative newsletter about a new game release. The newsletter did not mention anything anywhere about your account having been credited with any free spins in any game.

    p.s. there is a newsletter with free spins in this game going out to you and many others in the near future. It will actually state that your account has been credited with free spins.

    p.s.2. None of our CS agents are Jedi as far as I know. It would be cool if someone was though. Jedi are pretty badass.


     
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  14. May 24, 2014
  15. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    The e-mail simply says 'try the game' and if it was awarding freespins it would have mentioned a number and expiry date as all Netent freespins e-mails do.
    I think you misunderstood the e-mail - my first reaction upon reading your OP was 'what's he on about?' as there are no freespins mentioned in it.
    It simply has the standard footer they use on freespins awards attached to the bottom, probably lazy preparation of the marketing e-mail.

    Nothing to complain about IMO.
     
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  16. May 24, 2014
  17. syntynyt

    syntynyt kuollut

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    waste of words, space and time. the same happen on iMBD forums when some people just cant enjoy a good movie because they are looking constant for smallish mistakes like tiny plot hole or few seconds of bad editing, a good reason for them to vote with 1 like the worst scum ever recorded. :oops:
     
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  18. May 25, 2014
  19. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Im the same as you, Getting abit hacked of with these emails from a number of site, I think its just another way to exploit a few more emails to us,
    I did however get the message of slot boss/ slotto ect and all had free £5 and redeemed ok, Rarely get any junk of that group,

    Its all the (should be decent casinos) that are stating free spins ect untill open up email and there not FREE, even if you do get any its like 5 free on the rubbish games going,
     
  20. May 25, 2014
  21. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Right behind you
    If there is any group I really like the emails from it must be Casinoluck and Nextcasino. They dont spam you with those free spins" that you actually have to pay to get like with 90% of the other casinos. And as others has mentioned this was a one-time error from them.
     
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  22. May 25, 2014
  23. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Do not get me wrong, There is a good few casinos you do wish to get a few more emails of, Im getting more and more junk every day from reputable casinos, I do not even bother to open 90% of them now
     
  24. May 25, 2014
  25. kidgloves

    kidgloves Experienced Member

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    Leicester
    Whilst CS at any casino can be woefully short of the bench mark sometimes, this has to be the coolest reply I've read from a rep in ages :notworthy
     
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  26. May 25, 2014
  27. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    Both Next Casino and Casino Luck gifts players with 5 free spins regularly on 15,20 and 25-liners or 10 free spins on 9-liners. For this particular game LIGHTS they never mentioned there were free spins and only told me to try them out. I was expecting free spins when I read the caption but since the mail did not mention free spins I didn't even bother to log in.
     
  28. May 25, 2014
  29. Azzurri

    Azzurri Banned User

    Occupation:
    Non of your business
    Location:
    From Foil Land
    Account at Next and Luck now closed.

    Thanks for your time. :)
     
  30. May 25, 2014
  31. mrmark21

    mrmark21 Meister Member

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    Location:
    australia
    Yeah I'm usually the first to point out misleading promos/emails but IMO there is nothing misleading about that e-mail. I detest those emails with the subject "You have free spins" then I open the email and it reads "with you're next purchase" :rolleyes:

    I just don't see this email as intentionally misleading because if they were trying to mislead I'm sure they could have done a better job than that ;)
     
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  32. May 25, 2014
  33. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    Mostly the Netherlands
    I also think you totally took it the wrong way, both the email and the remark from the chat-agent.
    Nowhere do i see an insult, and also the email is clearly recognisable as a promotion of the new game, with indeed a little error because they used some pre-fixed email with a set of T&C's added...

    I saw that more often in several Casinos, at it's worst it's a bit sloppy, nowhere is it misleading i.m.o.
    On a funny note i think someone posted a similar mail where there was a B-day wish from the team but no match up or bonus added, but they also had the T&C attached, so it looked like this person had to wager his birthdaywish:)

    Anyway, if you are closing accounts on technicalities like this, i can predict that a a certain point in the future, it is likely you will have no more active accounts left to play, as these things happen in almost every Casino, i would even go as far as to say, they will happen in every casino over due time...
     
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  34. May 26, 2014
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    United Kingdom
    So why not apologise to the OP, rather than send a condescending reply that makes him feel like he is being treated like an idiot?

    Such clumsy service is NOT "just a small issue". Customer service is what sets the casinos apart in an industry where the products on offer are pretty similar. This kind of error can also look like a deliberate "bait and switch", the terms at the bottom being deliberately put there to entice the player to log in under a false expectation of receiving "a go on the game", but being vague enough for deniability if the player complains.

    In this case, a customer was lost due to both the initial error and how it was handled.
     
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  36. May 26, 2014
  37. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

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    Location:
    Sweden
    He choosed to feel like an idiot. Noone can force that feeling on anyone.

    ''term at the botton being deliberately put there''
    Why do you always believe the worst about all casinos? He admitted it was a mistake that the footer was in both emails.
    People do mistakes. Even you.
     
  38. May 26, 2014
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    The rep admitted this, it was the CS agent that he raised the initial query with that chose to treat him like an idiot rather than apologise and explain the error.

    Businesses have many tricks, and there are quite a few who DELIBERATELY incorporate tricks such as this, and then have a get out explanation for when they get caught out by a savvy customer.

    This particular "bait & switch" style tactic was recently outlawed specifically under a redrafted consumer protection package as the previous laws were having coaches and horses regularly driven through them by clever business lawyers.

    Even accepting this is an error reflects poorly on the casino as it shows that there is no quality control "proof reading" stage between compiling newsletters and sending them out. Too often we hear of players being told "that email was sent out in error" after the fact, and often after the player has made a qualifying deposit for what was offered in error. The casinos then have the attitude of "can't do that" if the player wants their deposit straight back because the offer was made in error.

    If the UK ASA rule against that email and say "don't do it again", the casino would have to make damn sure the same error can't happen again as if it did, it would breach the ruling. Saying "sorry, it was an error" isn't going to impress the ASA, who are fully aware that many businesses "try it on", knowing there is no way of determining whether the errors are genuine, or just PR "spin" used to fool customers and regulators.

    Some high profile household names have behaved FAR more badly than most of the online casinos, and many have been caught, busted, and suffered heavy fines, from the regulators, yet they STILL TRY IT ON, and many have been busted and fined numerous times because they just roll out new tricks to get around the rulings. The energy companies have just suffered an all out industry wide blanket ban on all forms of "cold selling" after trying one trick after another, and getting fined repeatedly. Despite this, they are STILL at it, the problem now is the use of fake companies and subsidiaries cold calling from offshore and trying to hard sell loft insulation, solar panels, boilers, heat pumps, etc.

    In this case, given that many think the free spins are not worth the bother, why did the casino make such a song and dance over this rather than just put, say, 10 free spins on the slot for players that raised the issue with CS just to keep them happy, and remaining a customer.
     
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