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Newbie with U.S. Players Questions

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by insomniac, Aug 10, 2006.

    Aug 10, 2006
  1. insomniac

    insomniac Dormant account

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    Hello everyone,

    I have actually been around for a couple months now and have tried to suck up as much info as possible before going off in to the world of online gambling.

    I know that some casinos have given U.S. players the run around when it comes to withdrawels, but this seems few and far between on the higher end MG and Crypto casiinos.

    My questions is this: If a casino allows U.S. players, do I also need to worry about the fact that gambling is illegal entirely in my State? I live in Utah.

    It is obvious that the casinos do everything in their power to bring in US players, but should I also count on them doing everything in their power to keep from paying me since I live in a non gambling state?

    Thank you,
    insomniac
     
  2. Aug 10, 2006
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    If you know going into it that it's illegal for you to play in your state, why would you even try? It's just asking for trouble if you ask me.
     
  4. Aug 10, 2006
  5. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    You seem to have done your research :thumbsup: so its safe to say that the general rule of thumb is that, if you pick a reputable casino that allows US players in their terms, you shouldn't encounter a problem. Obviously being of the legal age to gamble according to the casino's terms and, if you take a bonus, meeting the wagering requirements before cashing out, will avoid the more common problems.

    Note that some casinos allow US players but do expressly forbid players from certain states. So always check the casino's terms. Winbig has a good point though.

    In fact, I can't remember a case where a casino who allows US players has refused to pay out winning simply based on the fact that a player resides in the US. The Bella Vegas case was the closest I can recall, and that was an age issue where the casino had allowed an underage player to deposit and refused to pay out because she was underage.
     
  6. Aug 10, 2006
  7. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Utah = Medieval Religiously Repressed State.

    Utah State Code

    76-10-1102. Gambling.
    (1) A person is guilty of gambling if he:

    (a) participates in gambling;

    (b) knowingly permits any gambling to be played, conducted, or dealt upon or in any real or personal property owned, rented, or under the control of the actor, whether in whole or in part; or

    (c) knowingly allows the use of any video gaming device that is:

    (i) in any business establishment or public place; and

    (ii) accessible for use by any person within the establishment or public place.

    (2) Gambling is a class B misdemeanor, provided, however, that any person who is twice convicted under this section shall be guilty of a class A misdemeanor.


    In Utah, a class B Misdemeanor is punishable by a fine up too $1000 and six months in jail.

    I was unable to find where a single person or a single case in Utah has ever been prosecuted for online gambling from their home.

    So either no one in Utah Gambles...

    (Ya right, I have been to Stateline, NV. and I have seen the long lines at the lottery sales places on the Utah borders...)

    Or...

    The Government in Utah knows they better not push the issue too much for their own good.



    Also a note to Webmasters - If you write or publish anything about gambling at all and your site is seen in the state of Utah you have committed a crime in Utah, unless you have displayed on your site (in plain view) the words “Void in Utah”...
     
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  9. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL. Talk about a "cover your ass" clause :D I'd like to see them police that one - lol. Even if they did, they wouldn't be able to enforce it.
     
  10. Aug 10, 2006
  11. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Cover my ass... no I have no reason to ever go to Utah... and that is a good thing... :D

    In my opinion, Utah would copy the current federal government in its enforcement of this law.

    In other words if you are high profile gambling webmaster and you enter Utah for any reason you might very well end up in a Utah jail cell.
     
  12. Aug 11, 2006
  13. insomniac

    insomniac Dormant account

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    Winbig,

    I can certainly appreciate your comment, but I was directing it more towards how online casinos treat this issue, not the state or federal government.

    First, it is well known that there are a couple cities that sit right on the border of Utah, that are only there to provide a place to gamble. Every car you see in the parking lot of these casinos, has a Utah license plate. Both of these big cities are in Nevada. Both of these cities have no other Nevada cities within 100 miles of them. Utah has cities closer to them then Nevada does. However, nobody has ever crossed the border back in to Utah and been arrested or ticketed for participating in gambling. In fact, there are businesses in Utah that provide Buses that will pick you up in Utah and drive you across state lines just to gamble. I believe that Utah allows this only because it keeps people from drinking and driving.

    So I was really just curious about online casinos, since obviously these two big gambling cities are only there to serve Utahns. These casinos would never deny you your winnings just because you were from Utah, because we make up for about 99.9% of their business.

    insomniac
     
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  15. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Gotcha.

    The only one I really remember is the case of the underage gambler that wasn't paid somewhat recently. The thread is on here somewhere...

    They had won $20k, and I believe if she wouldn't have lived in Nevada (online gambling is illegal there too), she would have been paid.

    Side note: I really don't get Utah. They'll allow men to have multiple wives, but not allow online gambling?!?!?!??

    :lolup:
     
  16. Aug 11, 2006
  17. insomniac

    insomniac Dormant account

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    What a minute, Online Gambling is illegal in Nevada? Is this because they want all of the taxes for themselves? How can a state, whos biggest money maker comes from gambling, ban the residents from doing it online. Absolutely Insane!

    By the way, I am sure that you are just kidding, but I do want to clarify that Utah does not allow men to have multiple wives. Polygamy has been against the law, and against practice of the LDS church since 1890. I hope and wish people would get this false impression out of their heads.:confused: In fact, most people think that they still reside in Utah, but reality speaking they are hiding throughout the country, but the big compounds are actually in Colorado City and various cities in Texas.

    insomniac
     
  18. Aug 11, 2006
  19. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    Yep....http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...rogaming-wont-pay-20k.html?highlight=underage

    Just a little snippet from the original post:

    While they told her their reason was she is underage, they told Ecogra that it's illegal to play in Nevada where she resides.


    ;)
     
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  20. Aug 11, 2006
  21. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    The Nevada legislators (well, some of them!) got pretty close to legalising online gambling a couple years back but then put everything on hold after the DoJ made argumentative noises. There are news reports on it in Casinomeister News archives I believe.

    Edited to add that Nevada legalised the use of hand held betting appliances earlier this year but only within already licensed gambling properties (the big boys want to access those folks lying around the pool or relaxing in their rooms, too!)
     
  22. Aug 11, 2006
  23. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    See. It IS all about the $$ - as if anyone ever doubted it :rolleyes:
     
  24. Aug 11, 2006
  25. paul02085

    paul02085 Senior Member

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    I dont get how these men can put up wi.... i mean handle.... i mean deal wit... i mean PROVIDE for MORE THAN 1 WIFE. GEEZ.;)
     
  26. Aug 11, 2006
  27. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    Hey think of the money you'd save on accommadation :D
     
  28. Aug 11, 2006
  29. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Southern Utah is beautiful, it is well worth visiting.

    At least the Mormons are consistent, they ban gambling completely with no exception, they don't have any of this "gambling is immoral, so we will ban it, but allow a state lottery, church bingo, racetrack betting and casinos run by the governor's friends".

    What's more, there is also bingo and sweepstakes on the buses, which sounds very illegal.
     
  30. Aug 11, 2006
  31. insomniac

    insomniac Dormant account

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    I do not know if it is still done this way but I had taken one of these buses once, a long time ago, and when they would hold the sweepstakes, they would not announce a winner until they had crossed the border.

    insomniac

    p.s. I really appreciate everybody who participated in this discussion. It has been an eye opener towards all the weird laws in certain states.:eek2:
     
  32. Aug 11, 2006
  33. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    I used to live in Utah... and my family are all Latter-Day Saints (Mormons).

    The only reason I would not go to Utah is because of what I do for a living... I might just end up in one of those cheep accommodations (jail)... seems like my humor just does not play well with some people...:what:

    Side note: Funny that in a country that proclaims how FREE it is and wants to spread that freedom that marrying more than one person is against the law...
    In a truly FREE country why would the government care how many people you married???
     

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