New Weekender Rules & Game

wayram

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MG have changed the weekender game from Tomb Raider to Loaded, with a first prize of 10k 2nd 6k and 3rd 4k...that is the only prizes no longer will the first 100 get a prize but it is still $20 to continue with 5 rebuys. The feeder rules have changed also ,there seems to be two options to get in . free weekend feeder with 5 chances not 30 like before and also a $2 weekend feeder with 12 chances to get in. Will be interesting to see how this goes :)
 

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Just had my first shot on the free weekender and got a shock, run out of coins ,you start with 5000 so if you play 500 it only gives you 10 spins and the rebuys only give you 2500 coins which is only 5 spins..You would have to be bloody lucky to get a big score with those amount of spins.
 

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I have qualified many times from the free preliminary match but never take anything home.
 

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These new rules are a big change for the worse. Those re-buy options mean that you have to pay much more for a chance to win anything and reducing free entry spots from 30 to 5 is quite bad too. This is probably done to increase the total money invested in the tournament while keeping the prize pool the same. I hope that this is just an experiment and they will return to the old system.
 

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I couldn't agree more with the change being a very bad one. The freebies were not freebies anyway, you pretty much had to rebuy anyhow to get anywhere.
As for the payouts, if you ever stop to think about it and really look. Unless you placed in the top 5 in most, you never got your money back to begin with. Ex: 1000k Sky is the limit tourney ( which I might add has its limit and showed that again this weekend, never changed and many high scores which meant rebuys and or continues ) First chance free, rebuy 5.00 if you maxed out on rebuys it cost you 25.00. Even if you place in say 10th, you only got 10.00 back. Bad investment there for any player. Most are the same way, now they give less places and cost more with less time & chips... Bad mistake & I thought it was bad already. I tried to tell them what I thought but I am only 1 person. Perhaps, if people started voicing their opinions to them things might change for the paying players. We support them by remaining customers but only if the product is worth buying. ;)

Goodluck to all playing & be sure to tell them personally what you think if you want things to stand a chance of changing.

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wayram

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Just registered for the $2 weekend feeder and noticed that you start at 80000 coins not 2500 ,dont know where i went wrong....
 

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MG have changed the weekender game from Tomb Raider to Loaded, with a first prize of 10k 2nd 6k and 3rd 4k...that is the only prizes no longer will the first 100 get a prize but it is still $20 to continue with 5 rebuys. The feeder rules have changed also ,there seems to be two options to get in . free weekend feeder with 5 chances not 30 like before and also a $2 weekend feeder with 12 chances to get in. Will be interesting to see how this goes :)

It looks as though there are 9 prizes instead of 5 with the 1st prize being 6k, 4k,2.4k all the way to 700 for 9th. Still, this would deter many from continuing with their own money.
 

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It"s amazing , last night there was only three prizes and now there is 9, also the free game has 50000 coins and the $2 game 80000 coins. They seem to change the rules daily. Noticed on the $2 game there was only 17 players with the first 12 going through. It seems that people dont want to pay to play which makes it better for the ones that will pay to play.
 

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Hi i just had a look at the 20k weekender again and there are only four continue play options at $10 each, so thats a saving off $60 from before.

Its the rebuy which is at $20 a pop.

When i first see these new free entry tourns i thought that they were to get a free rebuy or a free continue which would have been better all round.
 

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Where do all those people come from to inflate the tournaments? Yesterday the Weekender had only ~200 entrants and suddenly the number jumped to 1000. Similarily Jackpot Factory $25k had 500 entrants and suddenly the number jumped to 3000 just when the tournament started.

It seems that a huge number of players receive free entry to the tournament without having to pay or play at the feeders. It isn't an even playing field for those who take the effort to enter through the feeders because the competition level is very different for 1000 players versus 200 players who actually earned their way to the weekender.
 

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Where do all those people come from to inflate the tournaments? Yesterday the Weekender had only ~200 entrants and suddenly the number jumped to 1000. Similarily Jackpot Factory $25k had 500 entrants and suddenly the number jumped to 3000 just when the tournament started.

It seems that a huge number of players receive free entry to the tournament without having to pay or play at the feeders. It isn't an even playing field for those who take the effort to enter through the feeders because the competition level is very different for 1000 players versus 200 players who actually earned their way to the weekender.

Spot on! I regularly receive free entry to the weekender from Jackpot Factory, and as this is an MG platform tournament, I expect many other casinos do this. They probably choose to give the free passes to players who regularly play out all the continues, but then stop playing for a bit.

It seems they are changing the current "experimental" setup daily, so maybe they ARE listening to the feedback they are getting.

Tomb Raider seemed so boring for the weekender, it seemed impossible to beat the low variance and get anywhere, except for the few that got those rare hits. Loaded is better in this respect, and also is a better game for the rebuy model, as a poor start would encourage a rebuy, rather than running through the continues.

They could well be dishing out LOADS of free entries to ensure a good starting field for this new setup.

It would be far better to address all the BUGS that have crept into the tournament software since it first launched. It used to play slow, but that was FAST compared to the snail's pace we get now. There is no excitement, only STRESS when you are playing against the clock, and know DAMN WELL how fast the game SHOULD run because you have played in the casino, yet cannot achieve even a TENTH of this when playing it in tournament mode (not even with the latest PC upgrades).
The other irritation is that PLAYERS do not benefit from ANY of the funds being thrown into the continues and rebuys, in other words, the RTP of rebuys is 0%. Would you play at a casino game with a 100% House edge?

I worked out that the RTP of the weekender could be less than 50% under the old model (when 500 or so players were still interested in it), but I wonder what it might be now after these changes. There is no way to know, as the amount invested in paid entries, rebuys, and continues is a secret, all we see is the prize pool.
 

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Spot on! I regularly receive free entry to the weekender from Jackpot Factory, and as this is an MG platform tournament, I expect many other casinos do this. They probably choose to give the free passes to players who regularly play out all the continues, but then stop playing for a bit.

Yes, I have received these free tickets too but even then I'd rather work my way through to the tournament or buy the entry fee and have a smaller player pool to compete against instead of getting these free tickets, which are not much of value if there are 2000 other players with the same free ticket.

Tomb Raider seemed so boring for the weekender, it seemed impossible to beat the low variance and get anywhere, except for the few that got those rare hits. Loaded is better in this respect, and also is a better game for the rebuy model, as a poor start would encourage a rebuy, rather than running through the continues.

I still think that the re-buys are not a good change because it enables a player with large bankroll to play ALL re-buys and continues within each re-buy and force himself to the top. In the old system you had only one run so everybody had more equal shot.

I worked out that the RTP of the weekender could be less than 50% under the old model (when 500 or so players were still interested in it), but I wonder what it might be now after these changes. There is no way to know, as the amount invested in paid entries, rebuys, and continues is a secret, all we see is the prize pool.

Actually I reverse-engineered from the final score tables (after each Weekender had been completed) that the number of players playing all continue-play options was between 170-250. So basically this was the core competition you were against if you chose to play the continue options.
 

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Yes, I have received these free tickets too but even then I'd rather work my way through to the tournament or buy the entry fee and have a smaller player pool to compete against instead of getting these free tickets, which are not much of value if there are 2000 other players with the same free ticket.



I still think that the re-buys are not a good change because it enables a player with large bankroll to play ALL re-buys and continues within each re-buy and force himself to the top. In the old system you had only one run so everybody had more equal shot.



Actually I reverse-engineered from the final score tables (after each Weekender had been completed) that the number of players playing all continue-play options was between 170-250. So basically this was the core competition you were against if you chose to play the continue options.


OK, if 250 players went all in, that's 250x $120, or $30,000 in, and $20,000 out, an RTP of 66.6% - absolutely CRIMINAL given that MG boasts 95% RTP for their slots. This does NOT allow for those that pay for less, or only one, session, but nor does it allow for the freebies.

Perhaps they are distributing freebies like confetti, given the base RTP of 66% for the core players.

The new structure could have an even worse RTP, assuming us players don't mass boycott the event, and they give out $20,000 for a pitiful input;)

These figures are very worrying indeed, are we being ROYALLY ripped off by paying for MG tournaments?
 

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OK, if 250 players went all in, that's 250x $120, or $30,000 in, and $20,000 out, an RTP of 66.6% - absolutely CRIMINAL given that MG boasts 95% RTP for their slots. This does NOT allow for those that pay for less, or only one, session, but nor does it allow for the freebies.

Based on my numbers 250 players was the maximum value but the average value was ~200 players. Also most of the players entered through feeders - a typical Weekender with 600 players had around 500 enters through feeders and about 100 who bought $20 to get in. Calculating 200 * 100$ gives 20,000$ which equals the prize pool. So overall the payout % was pretty balanced I think, and the house edge became substantial only for those who paid extra $20 to get in instead of qualifying through feeders.

Obviously with the new rules and free tickets this balance is gone and I suspect that the purpose of the free tickets is to ensure more players take a shot and buy re-buys/continue-plays and the more buys are done the bigger the effective house edge.

You should also remember that the player can affect his return by deciding carefully when to play the continue-play options and when to not. I usually bought the continue-play options only once every five weeks when the first-round score was good enough and I came a bit ahead overall during 6 months.

Tomb Raider's low variance was actually beneficial in deciding when to buy continue-play options because you could quite accurately estimate where you will land in the end. But with Loaded such decisions might be more difficult.
 

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I once used up all my continues and got in 50th place, afterwards I felt like a complete mug and frustrated with myself for being so stupid and easily ripped off. I thought to myself I will never waste money on another tournament again, as it isn't worth it... the odds of getting 1st place are incredibly low, for the amount of money you spend in rebuys and continues, you'd be better off playing the slots normally with the money, at least that way you have a decent chance of winning something and making a withdrawal.

I have recieved some free entries to the weekender, and I'm sure they are desperately hoping I will fall into the trap of buying continues again, no way man. now I just use up my free entry and if I don't win anything just forget about it... if you just play with the free entry all you lose is a bit of time...

One thing I really hate about the software, is when you hit free spins in a tournament and you get a decent payout and the screen gets stuck and your watching the flashing reels and the seconds ticking down and clicking like a madman on the screen trying to get the damn reels to spin again, but they won't budge... a few times I had to log out of the software and log back in again in order to continue playing, and by the time I'm back in I've lost 2 - 4 minutes...
 
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I too, noticed the 25k go from 300 players to almost 3000 just before it started. Fishy indeed.
Did anyone else notice the VIP Exclusive has magically disappeared too ! Just hours before it was to start.
It is apparent they have become money hungry at the thought of throwing in more freerolls ( with the thought of more in it and more to rebuy/continue ) rather than charging those that want to play without the idiot option.
Reminds me of the rebuys at poker, there are many idiots going all in & rebuying so many times, even if they won first they still lose. ( But the house wins ! ;)
They need less freerolls and more for their paying players or they will lose a large base of real players and quick. Since the slots have tightened to help pay off these tourneys people are losing more often and much quicker.

Looking bad and getting worse.

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I too, noticed the 25k go from 300 players to almost 3000 just before it started. Fishy indeed.
Did anyone else notice the VIP Exclusive has magically disappeared too ! Just hours before it was to start.
It is apparent they have become money hungry at the thought of throwing in more freerolls ( with the thought of more in it and more to rebuy/continue ) rather than charging those that want to play without the idiot option.
Reminds me of the rebuys at poker, there are many idiots going all in & rebuying so many times, even if they won first they still lose. ( But the house wins ! ;)
They need less freerolls and more for their paying players or they will lose a large base of real players and quick. Since the slots have tightened to help pay off these tourneys people are losing more often and much quicker.

Looking bad and getting worse.

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Just means it is full, padded out probably with free entries and means players who were going to pay to play just get "tournament is full" and cannot. I find it hard to believe that 2700 new players suddenly had the urge to all register at once, and it does indeed look like a mass registration of free entries by the casino.
 

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It is apparent they have become money hungry at the thought of throwing in more freerolls ( with the thought of more in it and more to rebuy/continue ) rather than charging those that want to play without the idiot option.

Reminds me of the rebuys at poker, there are many idiots going all in & rebuying so many times, even if they won first they still lose. ( But the house wins ! ;)


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It's not quite the same as poker. In a poker rebuy tournament, the rebuy money goes to the prize pool, not to the house-even in a freeroll tournament.
I wouldn't mind if they charged an entry fee and put the rebuy/continue money in the pool (even though most poker rebuys don't have a house fee-only the original entry fee), but I find it to be a rip off if the house keeps the rebuy amount.

Either the casino is interested in running freeroll tournament or they're not. The way it works now, we're getting :xxx :oops:
 

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THESE TOURNAMENTS BIG RIP-SLOTS NOT RANDOM

These are the biggest rip I have ever seen.

How random can these slots be when everytime, and I mean everytime; I hit something so does everyone else and for the same exact amount. This happens even when I am not playing max bet. Figure that out. Everyone was playing only 10 lines and 5 coins, I DONT THINK SO. So the amount of the win not what you hit is predetermined.

Thats my opinion. Plus unless everyone gets to play out there entire coin balance, versus, games being timed; there is no way the playing field is even. Sometimes I barely get one spin in 30 seconds, and when you hit the bonus round it totally limits your number of spins.

Also, you should be able to bet all denominations, lines and coins as you choose for it to be a "slot tournament". These tournaments take no skill at all as traditional brick and mortar casinos slot tourneys do

the rebuys are a rip and how about the fact you virtually always hit a bonus round as time is running out and to play it you have to rebuy. This is not random!
 

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Have played the weekender since it started and not once have i been offerred a free entry , would be nice to get something for nothing once in a while, maybe i play at the wrong casinos. Check it out you will notice that many of the freebies dont even play at all, there will be a couple of hundred players that wont even have a spin.. Also what i cant understand is how so many players have such a low score as if they are only playing a few credits per spin, hardly worth the effort of playing at all.
 

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Also noticed that the prizes are changing by day, it is now 99 prizes, ranging from 5000 to 30. The first time they released it it was 10 k for first..Wish they would make up their minds.
 

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Also noticed that the prizes are changing by day, it is now 99 prizes, ranging from 5000 to 30. The first time they released it it was 10 k for first..Wish they would make up their minds.

Actually the prize structure changes automatically by the number of entries. If you have played poker tournaments, you know how it works. When there are only few entries at the beginning of the week the prize structure is narrower but as more players enter the prize structure changes. So this is normal feature and not a bug.
 

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Am I mistaken or is Suecity leading both the 25k and the 2k Friday tourney, both are Avalon ? Do you think it's even a tad odd that the very same person out of all of those entries can lead in both, during the same time frame, or even once a month lol ? Just curious and always look forward to your replies.

I am adopting the rule as some others, no rebuys, no continues. If I can't do it for free, I can't do it period ! If everyone adopted this rule then NO MORE FREEROLLS and pay only tourneys might prevail. I personally would like to see
a few with ONE chance only, lets see some reality scores for a change ~

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When you have to pay for something that is advertised as free, that is a rip off.
Yeah ok you can play for free but you have zero chance of winning anything unless you pay....in a freeroll!
How about that for false advertising?

I still can not understand why so many here play the 32 Red leaderboard competition.
You are basically just getting what amounts to a deposit bonus (if you win) that is a fraction of most on offer and has had a WR of God knows what AND to add insult to injury even the winnings have an extra WR attached.
Well excuse me but they must be laughing like Children on Xmas morn.


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