New Wagerworks "Mega Jackpots" - "Cluedo"

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Getminted have launched the new Wagerworks "Mega Jackpots" games, including the new version of "Cluedo"...

Anyone who's played the brilliant "Cleopatra" will be familiar with this game, as it's exactly the same! This is very good news, as the boring feature you previously found on the "Cluedo" slot has been replaced with the good old fifteen free spins for three scatters anywhere! Wahoo! It is a bit misleading the way the feature advertises "Win up to 180 free spins with the Mystery Bonus Feature" -- as this just means you can have up to 180 if you hit the re-triggers, but it's great nonetheless.

The line layout is identical to Cleopatra too, meaning you can get some of those nice double-up multi line wins!

Add to that the potential for a MEGA jackpot if the "Mega Jackpot" wild symbols line up across the centre line - and you're onto a winner!

This could very quickly become my favourite online slot bar none.

Incidentally, they've also launched a "Mega Jackpots" version of "Monopoly Pass Go"... I had a quick spin on this with a reasonable return, but I'm not a massive fan of the feature anyhow. A nice addition is the "Win Spin" feature however where it awards you between 1 and 5 "free spins" - each one continuing to spin until you hit a win...Very Las Vegas! This invariably means about 45 coins each spin, but you never know...

All in all, Wagerworks are taking more strides to becoming the the best online software platform, with their faithful Las Vegas reproductions and solid licencees with excellent automated payment mechanisms... and that's before "ELVIS" arrives!! Add autoplay functionality and a "Playcheck" style management suite and they'll take over the world!
 

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Good move putting the free spins in. I'll play it now - it got dead boring after a while as it was.
 

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Good move putting the free spins in. I'll play it now - it got dead boring after a while as it was.

Totally agree... It plays identically to "Cleopatra" - only it's got the 'speed up' reels thing when you hit two scatters... Like the way the jackpot symbol is also the wild for double heart stoppers/fun! Not really hit anything massive on it as yet, but had some fun!
 

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I played those two for free for awhile and got really bored with the bonuses, I'm glad they spiced them up for real players, I suppose since it's a megajackpot game you can't play that version for free. Eh well, saving up my pennies for $1 MS WOF jackpot of 11 million in January.
 

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Yeah, they were a bit grim in their normal modes - definitely spiced them up a bit. You're absolutely right in that you can't play in free mode; same as most progressives... Boooooo!

Here's hoping you hit that WOF 11 million :thumbsup:
 

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Only problem is WW seems to be really really slow since they updated the software. Almost unplayable for me.

Also just noticed that the jackpot is paid in 19 annual installments. Not impressed with this - crypto and MG pay their progressives as a lump sum!
 

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Only problem is WW seems to be really really slow since they updated the software. Almost unplayable for me.

Also just noticed that the jackpot is paid in 19 annual installments. Not impressed with this - crypto and MG pay their progressives as a lump sum!

In the States lotteries pay like that... or you can take x% of the top for taxes and then something like 1/3 of what's left as a lump sum payment. arghhh.

They're almost offering nothing at 5% of the jackpot per year with no interest. What a scam. Or at least risking nothing if they are savvy enough to get 5% return on what should have been paid out in one lump sum. Sure the next year they have less to invest, but they keep rollling in the progressive house edge in the meantime.
That's not gambling, that's lottery imo.
 

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I think it's a mistake, or an oversight for the UK market anyways - splitting these jackpots over 20 years. You may be used to such type of payments in America - but in the UK it's completely non-existent & unheard of....bar newspaper promotions offering a free-to-enter prize of '50,000 a year for life' - which is what this should be called. So, whilst I was excited by it initially - I won't be playing much as these annual lump sums, or 33% deducted upfront payments, just don't appeal as something to bet for, pretending to be something it isn't...this isn't what the UK market have had to put up with.
 

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Seems like a very big mistake to me. WW is generally a UK-Facing software provider, but seems to be the only one that will pay in installments. If I was a progressive slot player (i'm not btw) then i'd definately not choose to play this one! I'd go for Mega Moolah or Millionnaires Club, which both pay the entire jackpot as a lump sum.

I like Wagerworks in general, their games are designed well and I play at their casinos often, but this slot seems like a bit of a ripoff.
 

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Seems like a very big mistake to me. WW is generally a UK-Facing software provider, but seems to be the only one that will pay in installments. If I was a progressive slot player (i'm not btw) then i'd definately not choose to play this one! I'd go for Mega Moolah or Millionnaires Club, which both pay the entire jackpot as a lump sum.

I like Wagerworks in general, their games are designed well and I play at their casinos often, but this slot seems like a bit of a ripoff.

I kind of agree... It might be a bit of a let down if you did hit it and weren't aware of the rules! The point however is that this is a really good, top fun slot - the progressive is just a bonus! Besides, I'll take the excitement of the reel wins, without holding out tooooo much hope for the 1 in 4 million chance of hitting the big one - however long they decide to pay it over :D
 

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Haha thats pretty ridiculous.

Anyone know whats happening to the progressive jackpots from the games they've scrapped- Carribean Stud Poker and Banarama I think they are?

They have to redistribute this in some way don't they as its money that belongs to players?
 

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What's ridiculous - the progressive, or slotster's spin on it?:D

Very true about the progressives - someone needs to keep any eye on it here - Getminted held a 60,000 prizedraw over 6 days last month, to payback an unpaid progressive - no sign of anything else being done by any wagerwork?
 

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Ah, I didn't notice when I posted the "Wolf Run" thread that they were taking (the most boring slot in the world) "Banarama" away... Suppose it depends if just Getminted or the whole of Wagerworks are removing the progressive? Maybe they'll dump it into the new 'Megajackpots' pot?.. They're not really obliged to do anything with it I don't suppose.
 

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Only problem is WW seems to be really really slow since they updated the software. Almost unplayable for me.

Interesting...I saw it slowed down a couple of weekends ago...thought it was just me or Virgin's server playing up :( Bummer.
 

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They're not really obliged to do anything with it I don't suppose.

A land casino would be. I'd have thought that wagerworks' regulators may have a similar clause that means they're not allowed to have players fill the coffers of a progressive jackpot and then take it away from them because the game has shut. Maybe they don't have to, i'd like to see some mention from them as to where the money has gone though
 

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Slow Games and Progressive redistribution

Hi all,

I met with WagerWorks last week regarding the issue of game play having slowed down since they upgraded their systems. They made some changes last week Tuesday that should have resolved the slow play at peak times. If anyone is still having issues, please let me know and I'll be happy to pass your feedback on to WagerWorks.

Virgin Casino will be running a progressive contribution give-away in early January to pay back the progressive funds for Bananarama and Winner Takes All Bingo. Keep a look out for it.

Hope this helps and look forward to your feedback on slow games, should the matter still persist. Hopefully is doesn't any more.

VA
 

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Thanks for the update VA, very much appreciated!

If the "progressive promotion" is any good, you might just tempt me back from Getminted/BlueSquare ;)

(You'll have to do better than a box of tissues on an email and a 10 bonus though :p)
 

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Update

MORE GAMES FROM WAGERWORKS

Five Times Pay and Double Diamond slots released

Online gambling games developer WagerWorks/IGT has released two new 3-Reel Games Five Times Pay and Double Diamond.

Company spokesman Keith Fagan said that in a market dominated by multi-line games, the need to cater to a broader player base has led to WagerWorks launching the two popular land-based 3-reel games onto their WagerWorks rgs system. Both titles are from the successful IGT land portfolio and complement the existing product range.

Fagan claims that Double Diamond is one of the most popular 3-reel slot games available and includes the worlds most successful 3-reel math model. The online game itself is identical to the popular Double Diamond, found in international land casinos and is available in multi-denominations and multi-currency. It offers a single payline and a 3-credit max bet.

In this game, the Double Diamond symbol acts as both a wild symbol and an award multiplier, depending on how it appears on the win line. One symbol acts as a wild symbol and doubles the corresponding award while two symbols will earn a player 4x the corresponding award. If a player gets all three Double Diamond symbols with maximum credits, it triggers the maximum award of 2 500 credits.

The second game is also a well proven IGT title: Five Times Pay offers a different 3-reel, 1-line, 3-credit max game experience. This is a game for seasoned players who like to play for maximum reward, and with three pay tables offering standard, 5x and 25x awards, this can be achieved. By lining up three Five Times Pay symbols on the win line with max credits bet, a player wins 15 000 credits.
 

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One thing I think is interesting about Wagerworks games (and the 'Double Diamond' and 'Five Times' launch reminded me) is that they mirror the actual coin denominations you find in the country you are playing... In GBP for example, you can only play in 1p, 5p, 10p, .20p, .50p, 1.00 etc etc... There's no .25p (Quarter) option that you find at Microgaming etc, because there's no .25p coin. On the three reel, single line slots - this is a good move, making them easily understandable for UK players, and correlating the experience to real-world play. Makes sense you see with a 60p or 1.50 or 3.00 spin on a three coin machine.
 

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Sometimes I'm a clever b'tard.:cool:

Paddy Power is a daily contributor to talksport radio, and has a very big & large image to protect. Were someone to win this jackpot at his casino - there isn't the slightest chance, IMO, he wouldn't pay it upfront - all you'd have to do is contact talksport & his broadcaster chums, who would be asking him, live on national radio - why he needed to pay a winner over 15 yrs, when he makes about 100-200 million a year. I'd back the house on it, that it wouldn't even get to air - would be resolved before then - no way would Paddy suffer such loss of face in public.

So I'm playing here for this game, would be crazy going anywhere else currently - and would be interested very much in our new contributor Virgin Ace's opinion on all this.
 

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So...finally having a bash at this, at Paddy's - the jackpot is ticking up at just a bit faster than 1 pence per second.:confused: I'm playing at 2.25/spin...this contribution makes sense only if I am the only person on the planet playing any variation of Wagerworks megajackpots games currently?:confused: I also make that about 10 years before it hits 4 mill., at this rate.
 

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I sent an email a couple of weeks ago FAO the manager of Paddy Power Casino asking him about his companies position on the 19 annual installments. I never received a reply :rolleyes:
 

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Not sure how relevant it is but the terms of the MegaJackpots games are Wagerworks terms, not Paddy Power's or the individual casinos....so the buck stops with them IMO.

Actually...this whole installments thing isn't very good.

MegaJackpots T&C's from Wagerworks said:
If you win MegaJackpots the prize money shall be paid to you in 20 equal annual instalments. For the avoidance of doubt, no interest will accrue in your favour on any unpaid balance.

If you look at the Retail Price Index and the "purchasing power" of the or $ between 1980 and 1999 (Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) ), it seriously devalues the jackpot worth. In that chart, the is only worth 40.4% of its original 1980 value by 1999, while the $ fairs slightly better at 49.5%

So on that basis, if you won the Jackpot at 2,000,000, over the 20 years between 1980 and 1999, the actual value in terms of purchasing power will be only 1,207,400, and on top of that (see the quote above stating no interest is accrued) you lose a percentage of any interest you would gave gained had you been able to invest the 2 mil. Of course no two periods of time will produce the same result, but I think it's pretty safe to say purchasing power will continue to fall, irrespective of the time period.

Then to top it all off, you're relying on Wagerworks still being there and able to pay in 20 years time! A lot can happen in 20 years.

And just to add insult to injury, if interest accrues at 5% over that 20 years, Wagerworks could significantly decrease the amount it will cost them to pay the jackpot although to be fair, that is irrelevant to the terms of the jackpot and the effect on the consumer.

Someone with a math head might like to calculate the interest starting at 1.9 mil, decreasing by 100k per month over 19 years accruing interest on the balance at 5% per annum. By my reckoning (but I'm no mathematician mind so I could be wrong) Wagerworks would have saved 1,847,304 over 19 years by investing the sum and not paying it in one lump (at 5% interest on the balance with 100k per annum going out), which, if I'm right, effectively means that it would have cost them just 152,696!

Anyway, that aside, the RPI stuff makes the jackpot fairly deceptive IMO.

It should also be pointed out that the terms also state:

MegaJackpots T&C's from Wagerworks said:
In lieu of the annual payments, a MegaJackpots winner will be offered the option of selecting a reduced lump sum amount based on the present value of the future payments.

Be interesting to know what the "present value of the future payments" actually means, although again I think that makes the jackpot sum deceptive as either way, you will not realise the true value of the jackpot total, even though you may eventually receive the full amount.


Now, that all said, maybe its not what it seems. I find it odd that Alderney, who are very strict on these things, would have rubber-stamped that unless they felt it was perfectly acceptable. They may not be the FSA, but still....
 
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I guess it's because it's standard practice with the Vegas (and subsequently IGT) "Mega" jackpots... Just transferring the same policy online...

I'll live with the 100,000 or so a year I reckon!
 

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Just because, obviously - we'd rather win it as it is, than nothing - is no excuse. Our national lottery here would go bankrupt if they tried to stagger payments over 20 years suddenly - very few people would be interested or amused enough to carry on. I would also be very, very surprised if this 20 yr payment plan is reflected in the payout% - which it should be.

20 years ago, property & many other investments/goods which one would buy with such money, ie. artwork were 1/10th of the price that they are now. It's only the basic commodities, such as bread & milk - which have kept inflation in check. Ergo such a jackpot back then would have really been worth only a small fraction of it's stated amount, since getting rich wouldn't make me thirstier for milk. It's real value is probably not too far away from many non-progressive slot jackpots, if played at high-stakes.
 
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