New vape tax!

[andysbetting1187]

There are loads of mix calculators online. Here is one:

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I dare say AI can also help as well.

Quite a few people i know in the vaping world weigh instead of going down the ml/% route - I just can't be arsed i know im not getting a true 3mg but it suits me and I am not sitting there with weighing scales - prefer the old "just throw it in" methodology lol

 

[Webzcas]

Yep, all you need is a couple of syringes, mixing jug and bottles, lots of bottles LOL

 

[DreamRJ]

Ok yeah I live alone so no kids to worry about. I will be sticking with pre made for the time being until I am forced to switch to DIY then I will probably hit you up with the site you get the 72mg nic from in the future, still 20 months before we all fully have to be worried lol.

The thing with me currently is I do not like to vape out of date vape juice either, some flavours that are out of date taste really bad but some do taste ok when they are passed their best before date.

Also with base mix I am the same, I have always been fussy with dates on food products etc. So because VG/PG is basically used in food I am just the same with the base mix too. I still got 1 and a half litres of base mix I did not use because I switched to pre made juice about 16 months ago. So that has now expired, last year. So I will probably just put that down the sink and then wash the bottles out and use them when needed for the mix you just stated.

But something did just cross my mind I imagine that the site you currently buy the 1 litre bottles of 72mg nicotine will probably cease to send to the uk because essentially that could be then stopped at customs when it is headed into the UK from outside. They can then cease it too. So even if you are able to buy it outside the uk the issue will come from trying to import it.

But like you said you can just freeze it. I did not even know you could freeze nicotine lol. Good to know though.

 

[goatwack]

Wow, seems our commie overlords really want to suck the joy out of any vice, don't they!

Having switched from smoking twelve years ago to vaping, it has been quite the industry transformation in terms of choice and availability, a far cry from the cigarette-shaped, three-tokes-and-you're-done Green Smoke, back in the day!

Not a direct-to-lung, sub-ohm afficionado and so am not overly versed in the complexities of mixing liquids.

As and when I do partake, I just buy commercially available bottles here and there, if just for the flavour difference VG-heavy liquids provide.

Looks like I might take seven hours re-reading the finer points of mixing, buying base liquids and essentially becoming a nicotine 'prepper' as the time is nigh!

Would also use a dripper for the longest time, but succumbed to easy-of-use and convenience in the end.

So I take it the 'mouth-to-lung' devotees will be hit hardest, as the Government opts to make an example out of them, huh. What of PG-heavy mixing? Is the process as tickety-boo as the others? What if the concentrate flavours suck and one's lumbered with it? Man, I'm gonna have to brush up for real!

Just don't be surprised if they start taxing coils to hell and back. After all, as any packaging will attest to, its contents are warned to 'contain nicotine', a real shocker for those wishing to suck bits of metal and cotton

 

[Webzcas]

There are absolutely loads of places online you can get flavour concentrates from. Like finding your favourite flavoured eliquid, a case of trial and error.

Whether you sub-ohm or mouth to lung which I now do, it doesn't matter. With the numerous mixing calculators online you can make whatever mix you desire.

 

[DreamRJ]

Wow, seems our commie overlords really want to suck the joy out of any vice, don't they!

Having switched from smoking twelve years ago to vaping, it has been quite the industry transformation in terms of choice and availability, a far cry from the cigarette-shaped, three-tokes-and-you're-done Green Smoke, back in the day!

Not a direct-to-lung, sub-ohm afficionado and so am not overly versed in the complexities of mixing liquids.

As and when I do partake, I just buy commercially available bottles here and there, if just for the flavour difference VG-heavy liquids provide.

Looks like I might take seven hours re-reading the finer points of mixing, buying base liquids and essentially becoming a nicotine 'prepper' as the time is nigh!

Would also use a dripper for the longest time, but succumbed to easy-of-use and convenience in the end.

So I take it the 'mouth-to-lung' devotees will be hit hardest, as the Government opts to make an example out of them, huh. What of PG-heavy mixing? Is the process as tickety-boo as the others? What if the concentrate flavours suck and one's lumbered with it? Man, I'm gonna have to brush up for real!

Just don't be surprised if they start taxing coils to hell and back. After all, as any packaging will attest to, its contents are warned to 'contain nicotine', a real shocker for those wishing to suck bits of metal and cotton

IT is not to complicated you can buy loads of different sized bottles on amazon or other well known sites.

As for flavours you are correct, some flavours can taste different to how they smell from the bottles sometimes, so what ever flavours you use right now is the ones you should just buy the flavour concentrates for. That way you will know you like those flavours than be stuck with a batch you did not like and throwing it away.

I was one of those naughty DIY'ers in the sense that I made the 100ml bottles then I had smaller 30ml bottles I put the flavour in with some of the base mix that had the nicotine in it already. That way if the new flavour I just used in the 30ml batch bottle was not nice it is not much to waste and throw away.

But that is not the way to go you need to steep your juice for at least 2 weeks so the flavour can get better, the longer you steep them for the better, so best to make 10 100ml bottles in advance every now and again so they have enough time to steep. The 30mil bottles I did was only steeping usually for 1 day sometimes 2 days max. I did have multiple 30ml bottles on the go as well at any 1 time as well.

But honestly it is not to bad when you switch to DIY and it was a lot cheaper than buying your juice daily/weekly from a local shop etc.

But the tax could change it if they do tax the VG/PG/Flavours as well as the nicotine but we do not fully know yet until October 2026, but if you need any help with it just let me know I am happy to explain more.

 

[andysbetting1187]

Ok yeah I live alone so no kids to worry about. I will be sticking with pre made for the time being until I am forced to switch to DIY then I will probably hit you up with the site you get the 72mg nic from in the future, still 20 months before we all fully have to be worried lol.

The thing with me currently is I do not like to vape out of date vape juice either, some flavours that are out of date taste really bad but some do taste ok when they are passed their best before date.

Also with base mix I am the same, I have always been fussy with dates on food products etc. So because VG/PG is basically used in food I am just the same with the base mix too. I still got 1 and a half litres of base mix I did not use because I switched to pre made juice about 16 months ago. So that has now expired, last year. So I will probably just put that down the sink and then wash the bottles out and use them when needed for the mix you just stated.

But something did just cross my mind I imagine that the site you currently buy the 1 litre bottles of 72mg nicotine will probably cease to send to the uk because essentially that could be then stopped at customs when it is headed into the UK from outside. They can then cease it too. So even if you are able to buy it outside the uk the issue will come from trying to import it.

But like you said you can just freeze it. I did not even know you could freeze nicotine lol. Good to know though.

Some of the juices do taste bad but to be honest, a lot of that comes from the mixing process. When you are doing the DIY side, the concentrates normally have a shelf life of over 2 years, but I keep mine in a wardrobe away from heat/sunlight and they are still good. Certain flavours (like fruits or sweet flavours) will lose their potency quicker than others. Even when concentrates are in the sale they have a shelf life of around 1 year but it is much longer than that provided you don't mix it up. What kills the concentrates is when they are mixed and then left for a long time (18 months) but even then it can still be good.

Base mix won't go off - you can always tell by the smell but if it is not mixed with a concentrate, you can store it in the freezer and it will be fine - same with nicotine it won't freeze it just stays cool

When I know i am going to make a couple of litres up, i take my 30ml nicotine bottles out of the freezer and just let them thaw out for a day before using - although it doesn't freeze it does go a little bit like a sludge but its fine as soon as it is back to room temprature

Don't forget if you want to get really creative, when making your DIY liquids add a couple of drops of food colouring - makes no diffeence to the taste but you can make some really interesting couloured liquids lol

 

[dunover]

Yes, the 100ml nicotine-free juices are as cheap as chips and should be excluded from the tax, even if it remains on the 6-20mg 10ml fluids. Spoken as one who found it so easy to quit smoking via far less risky vaping.

P.S. My theory on the few cases of severe pneumonic infections and conditions attributed to vaping is germ infection. The mouthpieces harbour saliva and bacteria at room temperature or warmer and if present inhaling them deeply could trigger such reactions. So don't share vapes and clean them daily.

 

[justdoit]

Really? I have been vaping since 2014, some ten years now since I stopped smoking. I can attest to the fact that:

• My cardio is the best it has ever been
• No longer have smokers cough
• No longer smell like an ashtray
• Do not wake up every morning having to hack up half a lung
• I am no longer polluting my body with carcinogens

I am not saying that vaping does not come with some risks. But seriously it is far far far far far more safer than smoking and I also do not pollute the people around me.

Vaping was the only thing that stopped me smoking. There is a reason why health services have advocated its use to help people give up smoking.

The ONLY reason the govt are looking at taxing it into the stone age, is to be able to get back lost tax revenues as a result of people giving up smoking due to it.

I also stop smoking 5 years now, I run 5 days a week from 15km to 20km, this morning run I did 17.46km

 

[andysbetting1187]

Yes, the 100ml nicotine-free juices are as cheap as chips and should be excluded from the tax, even if it remains on the 6-20mg 10ml fluids. Spoken as one who found it so easy to quit smoking via far less risky vaping.

P.S. My theory on the few cases of severe pneumonic infections and conditions attributed to vaping is germ infection. The mouthpieces harbour saliva and bacteria at room temperature or warmer and if present inhaling them deeply could trigger such reactions. So don't share vapes and clean them daily.

Costs them pennies to make the liquids.

Also change coils regularly - some coils have excellent longevitiy but they get coated in all sorts of germs and crap from being in your pocket/carried all the time. When they start to go black, swop them out (cheap enough anyway these days)

I was in the local vape shop last week speaking to the owner and he has now stopped stocking 21700 and 20700 batteries as apparently the cost to ship them has gone silly due to the restrictions on lithium batteries.

 

[justdoit]

That is actually a very efficient way of doing it. I will consider that myself then. Thanks

£1 shop they sell now vape 600puffs for a quit, vape shops they have some 10000puffs for £8,

 

[andysbetting1187]

I also stop smoking 5 years now, I run 5 days a week from 15km to 20km, this morning run I did 17.46km
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I do the same distance

Only difference is I do it in my car, with my vaping device lol

 

[dunover]

£1 shop they sell now vape 600puffs for a quit, vape shops they have some 10000puffs for £8,

Yes, I'd prefer ones supplied by UK manufacturers that don't consist of rat urine, industrial solvents and turkish delight syrup with a bit of air freshener thrown in.

 

[goatwack]

Tried some disposable vapes the other week, the scourge of Western civilization, to see what all the hoo-ha was truly about....

I'm pleased to report that they are indeed absurd, huge blocks of non-degradable plastic with around 2ml of wispy sugar goop contained therein. Overpriced and without doubt aimed at teenagers and below, the day they're abolished I'm all for it

 

[Webzcas]

Hate disposable vapes. A few months back at the hospital in Bristol and late at night went to the car to get our waters. Dropped my mod and the tank decided to smash into oblivion. The only place I could get a replacement was at a 24hr garage, a disposable vape. 21 MG!!!!!!!

They had nothing weaker. It literally gave me a headache!!

Even when I started vaping to come off the cigarettes I never went up to that strength. I vape either 3mg or 6mg nowadays FYI

 

[goatwack]

Can't say I've seen it sold past 20ml in any format, certainly not in any walk-in retail outlet. Sounds a bit fishy in all fairness, likely 'supplied' to that destination by none other than Sanjay the bootlegger

A lot of the cheaper juices such as 88Vape et al do still err on the higher end of PG, often in the 70/30 or even 80/20 range, which is obviously the proper way to vape as you'll get a throat-hit

The 3/6 mg dilution is clearly nicotine-light in view to the way it's inhaled via 'direct-to-lungs', and greater for flavour, but on its own, just not enough for all day vaping.

I made the initial rookie mistake of thinking PG-oriented liquids would work 'just fine' in a mod, or for when suspiciously low on suitable liquids. Let's just say there's a reason why the nicotine's at those levels. Nearly blew my nipples off!

 

[lockinlove]

I have a very hard time believing vaping is worse than smoking. If anything it has to be quite a bit better. Whatever studies you read, try and find who funded it. Deep down the ladder you may find a tobacco company funded it.