New Software Restrictions for US Players?

[Mavin1]

I was able to get a couple US MG's back by going to Casino Rewards and downloading from there. But still couldn't figure out how to get CasinoShare US back, since it's in a different group, but that's okay, as they are all the same anyways.

 

[Simmo!]

I was able to get a couple US MG's back by going to Casino Rewards and downloading from there. But still couldn't figure out how to get CasinoShare US back, since it's in a different group, but that's okay, as they are all the same anyways.

Got a copy of the install file as it happens...downloaded it here just to check it out. Want me to FTP it somewhere for you?

 

[vinylweatherman]

My post stated: "This is the word from the latest conference, all unofficial of course." Yes we know the tournaments aren't there, but the reasons for it are speculative, NOT factual. We don't know why and we don't know if they are planned for a future release. When you said "...to exclude them from the tournaments with the BULLSHIT excuse about it being hard to pay the amounts involved" you intimated MG had said something to that effect, when they haven't.




Absolutely. Only Microgaming can licence their software. But they don't have to licence it to a subsiduary. They could licence it to you if they wanted

Surely the various licensing jurisdictions would have to vet me BEFORE they allowed the license to be transferred to the new variant of the software. This has not happened, and it IS a change of software, and when Grand Prive moved from MGS to some other software, the Kahnawake chucked them out because they had not made a formal notification of the change.

If they licensed the games to me, what is to stop me from tampering with the RTP? MGS has been fully tested and audited for fairness, BUT this new "Microgaming US" variant has NOT. Players are trusting that this UNNAMED licensee has used the MGS games in their original form, and returning the same RTP.

How can players be expected to trust in this with all the other stunts pulled recently by various operators and software suppliers, including MGS.

From the discussions, this move seems to have been a flop, with many players disappointed with "Microgaming US", on top of all the problems the migration has left them with on their PCs. Quite a few seem to have thrown in the towel, rather than wait for promises of "jam tomorrow".

 

[Simmo!]

If they licensed the games to me, what is to stop me from tampering with the RTP? MGS has been fully tested and audited for fairness, BUT this new "Microgaming US" variant has NOT. Players are trusting that this UNNAMED licensee has used the MGS games in their original form, and returning the same RTP.

Wagerworks licence their games. Apart from 4 older style games, they remain hosted on the Wagerworks RGS server so the games aren't physically moved. Voila. Problem solved

 

[vinylweatherman]

Wagerworks licence their games. Apart from 4 older style games, they remain hosted on the Wagerworks RGS server so the games aren't physically moved. Voila. Problem solved

It would be, were this TRANSPARENT to players, but MGS do NOT want to be connected to US facing software, which was surely the idea behind this move to license games to this unknown third party provider. IF the games are on the same server, then this whole affair has been a deception from start to finish, and it would simply be the case that MGS have updated the software as per usual, except that they have removed a load more games that US players already had, rather than merely stop them having the new ones post December 2009.

It won't be long before some players have a terrible spell on this new software, something all MGS players are familiar with, BUT in this instance they would no longer be placated by the argument that MGS has been thoroughly tested, and games never altered. They would question whether this new provider had tweaked the games licensed from MGS in order to counter the losses expected from blocked payments and seizures.

It could be possible to determine whether the games are hosted on the same server though, no need to speculate. It just needs someone to check the IP address when playing a game in All Slots USA (for example), and someone else to check the IP address when playing the same game from the "rest of world" version.

I found that McAfee firewall would show the IP address when asking permission to allow or block the connection. This showed me that the AWP games are NOT hosted on the same server as the rest of the games in the lobby. This would explain why there are no AWP games in the US version, they do not belong to MGS, and cannot be sublicensed by MGS to this new provider.
I don't even think MGS have access to the source code for the AWPs, they just provide the interface, and the games are hosted separately. One clue to this has been the sheer length of time it has taken to fix a problem where the tabbed lobby does not work properly with around 8 of the older games, including Treasure Ireland. A small number of tabbed lobby casinos have had the game put back, but I suspect this is another case of MGS using us to test the games.

IF the games are hosted on the same server, what was the point of removing 60 or so games, only to put them straight back again. I suspect therefore that there is NO intention of putting these other games back, and that suggestions it will happen "soon" are merely to persuade players to be patient, rather than uninstall straight away.

I was told the fault with the 8 games including Treasure Ireland was known, and would be fixed, and the games would return "in about 2 weeks". This was back in JANUARY, and it is now JUNE. I was fed a line of BS, because my source was also fed the same BS from Microgaming (they are an operator of an accredited casino, and I don't believe THEY would have lied to me). MGS may well be feeding similar BS promises to operators to keep them on board, but if they see all their US players deserting, things may change.

 

[jod5413]

I had the same problem as you, Mavin. I deleted and cleaned up after this MG fiasco, then had a Hell of a time finding and reinstalling the correct casino. Trying to download Allslots from Casinomeister led me to an RTG site, which I thought was odd.

I finally went through my e-mails from Casinoshare, and that gave me the proper download. I finally downloaded Allslots USA after trying to get to them through Alljackpots (which was the only casino I played at).

Now I have managed to "create" two USA versions that will work.

Gawd, I am so disgusted with myself for giving in to my "urges" to play with Microgaming games. I like too many of their slots, and I do know if I win I will get paid. Although winning does not look too promising right now!

Sigh.... what can ya do?

 

[anniemac]

Here's a little poser for ya. I have Villento downloaded on a thumbdrive instead of my laptop and have had it downloaded for ages. My thumbdrive stays plugged in most of the time because that's where I have all my casinos downloaded. Anyway, about a month ago I noticed that Villento looked a little different but I haven't played there in a while so didn't think much of it. Now this was way before the new casino software/MGS mess. Well, guess what, I have the new software. I have 106 games instead of 160+. I didn't delete and redownload the new games. I guess Villento just did it for me? Oh, and I never got an email from Villento telling me about the changes or anything. Interesting!

 

[jod5413]

Here's a little poser for ya. I have Villento downloaded on a thumbdrive instead of my laptop and have had it downloaded for ages. My thumbdrive stays plugged in most of the time because that's where I have all my casinos downloaded. Anyway, about a month ago I noticed that Villento looked a little different but I haven't played there in a while so didn't think much of it. Now this was way before the new casino software/MGS mess. Well, guess what, I have the new software. I have 106 games instead of 160+. I didn't delete and redownload the new games. I guess Villento just did it for me? Oh, and I never got an email from Villento telling me about the changes or anything. Interesting!

Quite presumptuous of them, don't ya think?

 

[Mavin1]

I had the same problem as you, Mavin. I deleted and cleaned up after this MG fiasco, then had a Hell of a time finding and reinstalling the correct casino. Trying to download Allslots from Casinomeister led me to an RTG site, which I thought was odd.

I finally went through my e-mails from Casinoshare, and that gave me the proper download. I finally downloaded Allslots USA after trying to get to them through Alljackpots (which was the only casino I played at).

Now I have managed to "create" two USA versions that will work.

Gawd, I am so disgusted with myself for giving in to my "urges" to play with Microgaming games. I like too many of their slots, and I do know if I win I will get paid. Although winning does not look too promising right now!

Sigh.... what can ya do?

Thanks Jod for your info. I am getting a bit disgusted as well, only because when I first played, the rtp was excellent, now it has gone the opposite way, playing a lot like RTG.
VWM, brought up a good point about if the RTP is the same now as it was with MG or is the US one now going to be different and possibly manipulated? I guess we will have a worry about that until we know more, or get tired of no return, whichever comes first. But then I did have a few good sessions here and there, where if I had been wagering higher would have had a nice cashout again, but was enough to greatly extend my play time.
However, on the worry about getting paid, I did make a wire cashout at Casinshare US, all went exactly as usual, no delays, or docs or any problems. So far...........

 

[anniemac]

Yep, Jod. You'd have thought they would have let me know before they just changed things on me. That's why they are not getting another dime from me and the software is gone.

 

[lost2much]

Yeah Annie, the same conversion happened at Golden Tiger (Casino Rewards). I only found out because I went to play Thunderstruck and it was gone. Talked to support and they told me the conversion had taken place.

 

[Mavin1]

Got a copy of the install file as it happens...downloaded it here just to check it out. Want me to FTP it somewhere for you?

Thanks Simmo, all is well now! Well if I can make another cashout, then all will be well again.