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Announcement New Section - Rating the Jurisdictions

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions, Announcements, & Feedback' started by Casinomeister, May 20, 2016.

    May 20, 2016
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Well overdue, a new section is being created on the main site where we will be rating the licensing jurisdictions for online casinos:
    Rating the Jurisdictions

    I feel that the ratings are important since it is a consideration of the overall Casinomeister Score in the accredited section.

    And the first review has been posted here:

    Curacao-egaming review
     
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  2. May 20, 2016
  3. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    Good. But when it comes to the UK will you take on their excessive invasion in peoples personal freedom? Their recent changes are a disgrace.
     
  4. May 20, 2016
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Like what? Please refer me to a thread that discusses this. Thanks!
     
  6. May 20, 2016
  7. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    As I am ignorant of the work and fees involved in licensing at the various jurisdictions, would there be any way of encouraging the accredited casinos to vote with their feet? I ask because unfortunately this shower of sh*te in the Central American jungle, due of their total intransigence, are eventually going to have a reputation which may reflect negatively in future on the good guys.
     
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  8. May 20, 2016
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    It's not all that simple. Licensing is very expensive, and for most casinos they chose the most cost effective way to do their business. That's why you have many casinos with both a Maltese license and one from Curacao. Voting with their feet may not be very easy, but perhaps a possibility when their license is up for renewal.
     
  10. May 20, 2016
  11. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    Can't quite locate it at the moment but its to do with the changes to auto play (max 100 spins) and incessant "reality checks".

    Its the principle of them and the implementation which make the experience a lot less enjoyable for little benefit to the average player.

    Keep meaning to go back to the FOIA stuff I got from UKGC on this particularly around consultation and their basis for forcing these changes on operators and users.

    Long and short is state going too far in their zeal to protect us from ourselves.
     
  12. May 20, 2016
  13. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Rating the jurisdictions is a great idea...and Curacao is an island nation in the southern Caribbean Sea, approximately 65 kilometres north of the Venezuelan coast, that is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

    I agree with dunover that the licensing jurisdiction should be an important consideration for players.
     
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  14. May 24, 2016
  15. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    It might be interesting to ask for members' perceptions of the main jurisdictions, perhaps in the form of a 1 - 10 poll on important aspects such as credibility, responsiveness, efficacy, ease of access, fairness etc?
     
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  16. May 24, 2016
  17. Clownesk

    Clownesk Full Member

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    Some suggestions

    I have some suggestions concerning relevant points ... since the "specific attributes" are quite general, I´m not sure if you have already thought about that but, to me, they are very important.

    - Standards concerning player protection: What does the authority require regarding player protection?
    -> Options like deposit limits, time limits, loss limits, bet amount limits (!!), self exclusion with/without personal contact via e-mail/chat, revocal of self exclusion allowed/not
    -> Option to completely self-exclude from all licence holders by contacting the authority
    -> Player balances separated from the rest of the operating funds / not
    -> (clear) play histories/ clear overview of wins/losses
    -> verification process (reliable/not; before (!) playing/not)

    - Terms & Conditions
    Gibraltar Commission, for instance, says:

    "Terms and conditions should be fair and reasonable and we require our operators to identify to customers any terms and conditions that are unusual, and review any that are found to cause confusion."

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    So far, so good. But then they add: "It is possible for operators to be wrong in respect of what their terms and conditions mean, but it is very unusual."

    I don`t know much about Gibraltar laws, but if casinos were located in Germany, most of the casinos would have invalid t&c because of disadvantaging players in an inappropiate way. The standards in those offshore financial centers might be much lower than in Germany but that doesnt mean that gambling authorities have to accept everything. I think about terms like 10.000 withdrawal limits on progressive winnings (while you can deposit 100.000 or more) but also terms like "play through your deposit 5 times before withdrawal" (I know that payments are expensive for casinos but I`m talking from a player`s perspective ... or have you ever been in a landbased casino were the employees told you to do that before leaving?). So, all in all, I think most gambling authorities only check if the player was in compliance with the t&c but not if the t&c were in compliance with the laws/reasonable player protection when there are complaints.


    And finally ... I like your rating of Curacao :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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  18. May 25, 2016
  19. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Thank you very much. That was quite helpful. :thumbsup:
     
  20. May 25, 2016
  21. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    This is a very important sentence in respect of casino-consumer relationships. There are several terms under ALL licensing authorities which would conflict with consumer protection laws and guidelines, even in a decent LA such as the UKGC. As Vinyl keeps reminding us, until these are challenged in a civil court and ruled to be unfair the situation will remain.
     
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  22. May 25, 2016
  23. Clownesk

    Clownesk Full Member

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    Yea, also some of my other points aren´t met by any authority. I didn`t write it in that way because I`m not sure about the "Schleswig-Holstein Authority" here in Germany. I have not checked the t&c of that legal German casinos yet. But at least I saw that "drückglück.de" doesnt have any "Impressum" (which is something like "legal notice") where you can find the address of the company etc. And it`s absolutely illegal not to have an Impressum in Germany. I told them about that some weeks ago and they said that they will check if something has to be done. Well, obviously, they decided that they aren`t responsible for it since there`s still no Impressum (and this really is something that cannot wait for some weeks, if Impressum is missing, you have to add it promptly).


    And Casinomeister, you`re welcome.
     
  24. May 25, 2016
  25. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    It's pretty easy to add as well (Impressum). They already have all of their licensing info - an address and phone number would pretty much complete what they need to have listed. I guess they are waiting for some aggressive German lawyer to send them a cease and desist letter - charging them a couple of Euro K. :p
     
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  26. May 25, 2016
  27. Clownesk

    Clownesk Full Member

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    Makes absolutely sense :thumbsup:

    But I think you misunderstood: I told the Schleswig-Holstein Authority about it ... so actually I would have expected them to exactly do that :D
     

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