new fotb stakes

snorky510238

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Ok a a lot has a rtp of 95% you say that's random.Now adjust the slot to have a rtp of 85% still random?
 

colinsunderland

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Slots have been rigged since day 1.Go back as far as you can from the days when it was a penny a spin and you got 2p back for a cherry on the first reel(at least it was a win in those days).Were those slots random? No of course they weren't.If the jackpot was a pound the slot would pay it out when it had taken sufficient funds to do so and wouldn't pay it again until the cycle repeated.Take the old poker machines where you could double your winnings by guessing if the next card would be higher or lower than the 1 you could see.How many times did you get to the crucial gamble(say doubling £200 to £400)with a 3 going higher only to hit a 2 time after time was this random? No of course not it's a fail safe within the programme to stop it paying out to much. Just because software has advanced so much and slots have "all singing all dancing" screens and hundreds of side shows going on don't be fooled into thinking anything has changed.

You don't really know what you are talking about do you? I suggest you look up the difference between compensated slots and random slots. The ones you are talking about in your post were compensated.
 

goatwack

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Its gonna be another long thread. tuck in guys we could be here a while
These sort of threads make sick to the core, members squabbling over finer details, heated arguments, derision. Can't stand any of it.

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brianmon

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I don't play Fobts, and have no intention of doings. So my knowledge of them is limited.

But surely if there's a cap of £500 on payouts, and enough players exceed that cap, then the actual RTP is going to be lower than the TRTP, and never actually reach it?

The games can be as random as you want, and happily playing at their set TRTP.
But if a proportion of the winnings are being remove by the 'account server' (or whatever it might be called) after a win is achieved.
Then the money being paid out is much less than it should be for the money going in

So why aren't the UKGC demanding these caps be removed as well as the lower stakes?
Then the games can pay at their designed TRTP, rather than just PLAY at their designed TRTP?
 
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trancemonkey

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I don't play Fobts, and have no intention of doings. So my knowledge of them is limited.

But surely if there's a cap of £500 on payouts, and enough players exceed that cap, then the actual RTP is going to be lower than the TRTP, and never actually reach it?

The games can be as random as you want, and happily playing at their set TRTP.
But if a proportion of the winnings are being remove by the 'account server' (or whatever it might be called) after a win is achieved.
Then the money being paid out is much less than it should be for the money going in

So why aren't the UKGC demanding these caps be removed as well as the lower stakes?
Then the games can pay at their designed TRTP, rather than just PLAY at their designed TRTP?

We have to account for the amount of money lost through capping, and adjust the maths for it. It's pretty easy to work out :)
 

brianmon

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We have to account for the amount of money lost through capping, and adjust the maths for it. It's pretty easy to work out :)
So, in the case of slots, the reel strips and paytables are arranged so the cap can't be exceeded?
What about roulette? if the max stake is now £30, and I was to stake that on a single number, which could win around £1000. how would the excess of £500 be accounted for?
 

snorky510238

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The stake is capped at £13.80
 

Devontheman

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I don't get the hate for FOBTs either when you compare it to online play
When you play a FOBT you generally have to take your cash and stuff it in the machine . To me this is way more of a "reality check" than simply pressing "quick deposit" on an online casino
FOBT's have much lower max bets than online and lower potential winnings also makes them less attractive to play
I guess before FOBT the average punter's money would last longer because they'd bet on horses and dogs and then have to wait for the race etc but tbh they are much more likely to get bad odds betting on a dog than on roulette although you will get a lot more bets on roulette in the same amount of time
They get so much hate because they are rigged sir
 
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