NetEnt has joined the the group of providers offering different RTP settings

[colinsunderland]

They continue to grow, and that pretty fast as it seems.

I posted this earlier. Compared by the number of spins and amounts wagered on some of the most popular games, e.g. BOD, Bonanza etc.... they are in the top spot and have about double than the next casino in the ranking. Huge difference, surprised me that it was that much more.

Getting 5FS from a battle which then pay f*** all most of the time feels like winning the lottery nowadays.

Where are the stats from, playngo direct or third party software? Would love to see a country breakdown, as I would be surprised if any Maltese casino could beat the likes of GVC or Flutter.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Where are the stats from, playngo direct or third party software? Would love to see a country breakdown, as I would be surprised if any Maltese casino could beat the likes of GVC or Flutter.

I am sure overall, all brands of GVC or Flutter taken together will have more than VS.

I can only see the numbers per game per casino (not for every site but most larger ones). Got a source which I cannot share, sorry.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Where are the stats from, playngo direct or third party software? Would love to see a country breakdown, as I would be surprised if any Maltese casino could beat the likes of GVC or Flutter.

You can see a much, much simplified version here: Link removed on order from the bear judge!

 

[Kroffe]

You can see a much, much simplified version here:*snip*

So now we are leaving live links to other affiliate sites.

 

[Harry_BKK]

So now we are leaving live links to other affiliate sites.

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I have no beef in that site. It was just to give an example.

 

[Kroffe]

I have no beef in that site. It was just to give an example.

If im being honest, i dont really care all that much.
Just know that its frowned upon since i have linked the same site once.

But rules are rules, and you must now be sent to forum-jail.

 

[Harry_BKK]

If im being honest, i dont really care all that much.
Just know that its frowned upon since i have linked the same site once.

But rules are rules, and you must now be sent to forum-jail.
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Post edited Your Honour!

 

[paul7388]

If im being honest, i dont really care all that much.
Just know that its frowned upon since i have linked the same site once.

But rules are rules, and you must now be sent to forum-jail.
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I think a one week ban will suffice for such a bad breach of forum etiquette

 

[Kroffe]

Post edited Your Honour!

 

[dionysus]

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link in your quote snipped as well

 

[Kroffe]

I think a one week ban will suffice for such a bad breach of forum etiquette

We can tar and feather the next person breaking forum etiquette.
Real justice is great and all, but is it the greatest?

 

[Kroffe]

link in your quote snipped as well

HOW DARE YOU!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Wow, some valid points raised and another sneaky revelation about the rewards maybe.

Im off to watch a film but a couple of things before i go to bed.

For anyone mentioning about casinos struggling to make a profit and pay wages I struggle to understand the point as wages for staff per year are probably covered fairly quickly and judging by the standard of live chat the agents are ten to a penny.

I doubt any of these are struggling considering how quick they pop up.

As for Videoslots not seeing a decline yet this will take time. RTP reductions are a relatively new thing and VS, due to popularity and the time it wll take for more and more to become educated, probably wont see a reduction for another 6 months or so.

Very significant point raised about high rollers. The best casinos who offer the best products and service are here for the long haul. The ones reducing RTP are here for a quick buck IMO.

 

[colinsunderland]

We can tar and feather the next person breaking forum etiquette.
Real justice is great and all, but is it the greatest?

link in your quote snipped as well

ooops

 

[Kroffe]

ooops

Its not a crime to quote a crime.
I think.

Speaking of the law.
Here, have a movie.

 

[Balthazar]

Quick video....

Thanks for the video Chops.

Lowering the RTP on Starburst is as evil as it gets...this is a game where it's nearly impossible to win enough to cash out because of its paytable. Doing that will save them no money, the only its doing here is stealing some of the playtime from their customers.

As for NetEnt, I can't be bothered looking at the help file everytime that I load a slot. I'll just avoid them.

Casinomeister should keep an updated list of casinos that keep higher RTP's and providers that don't offer a different range of RTP's.

There's got to be an incentive for the casinos and providers to be player friendly. I'd 100% get behind them and stick to them.

 

[Jono777]

A lot seems to be forgotten in that the ABSOLUTE bottom line is no players, no casino yet they never seem to care about this when its cutback after cutback. Incentives and bonuses I can understand, RTP I never will when it comes to retention and keeping players.

Ah, then I see the light, experienced and seasoned players may well call it a day and say enough is enough but casinos in general can always prey on the addicts and part addicts and dress it all up to look as innocent as possible.

The casino industry day 1 - 2017 approx and the casino industry 2018 till present day are poles apart, sadly not in a good way at all!

 

[JGslots]

Have the UKGC explicitly stated the minimum RTP has to be 90%?

Just wanted to confirm this as the UK land based legal minimum RTP is 70%.

Rob

 

[Playford7]

I think a one week ban will suffice for such a bad breach of forum etiquette

If that was me it would be at least 3 months in jail lol

 

[dionysus]

If that was me it would be at least 3 months in jail lol

don't be silly







4 minimum

 

[irish-ranger]

Its not a crime to quote a crime.
I think.

Speaking of the law.
Here, have a movie.

Now that’s a great movie

 

[Kroffe]

It also can be quite difficult to make accurate judgement based on one evening gameplay, gettin 20-40X winnings all the time is not really only like 2% higher RTP but good luck as well You can end up with really bad session as well with 94% or 98% TRTP, it's not change that much in hit frequency, size of winnings etc...

Happy that you had great session It's tested quite a lot when these different RTP:s started to come real subject for providers and in reality it's extremely tough to see that 2% difference in your gameplay, if you are given same starting balance to same game in 4 different places and one have 2% different RTP, there really haven't been people who could say for sure that this game is running other version than others.

When making these changes to RTP:s, of course game providers want to keep gameplay near as possible what it used to be and if you take 2% off, little from there and little from there, these differences are really not easy to spot for people who play slots a lot or knows them very well after working in industry and testing them a lot.

I recommend to give it a try, let some of your friend to pick you some casinos where you have no idea which RTP is and then try to figure it out by playing without checking help file, i believe is harder what many could think. If you know it beforehand, then you kind of expect different behavior and are tempt to easier to "see" that difference but really recommend to take blind test, can be done with play money as well as they run same version of game than real money.

I know you wont notice a difference on a 2% change in rtp.
You probably wont notice a 10% change because as you say, basegame needs to be the same or atleast very close to the original or people will stop playing.
But if we notice it or not is not the point.
The difference is there even if we dont notice it.

Saying it does not matter if we play 94% or 96% is also wrong.
It matters.
Because every time anyone plays a slot with lower rtp, they are giving money and thereby supporting the casinos that choose to use lower rtp.

If everybody avoided slots with lower rtp like the plague, and made an effort to deposit at casinos using the max rtp for their slots maybe it would not be as enticing for those sites to lower the rtp.


Sadly, the amount of players that know&care about rtp is probably too small to make a difference.
I atleast, wont willfully make my chance to win smaller by playing lower rtp versions when there is a better option. Partly because i dont want to support the casinos lowering the rtp, but mostly because it makes zero sense.

 

[slotmaster]

Sooooo it's +EV to play slots with the higher RTP but still -EV overall is the moral of the story.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Left is logged out, right after log-in.

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Yes same for me, but I don't class as a UK player at VS.

Can we nail it down to a territory or territories that get the 'We'll steal some of your winnings booster' when actually logged in?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Yes same for me, but I don't class as a UK player at VS.

Can we nail it down to a territory or territories that get the 'We'll steal some of your winnings booster' when actually logged in?

Same for me. Logged out, different explanation.

UK all the way i think.