Netent? Defo banned from my list forever! <Rant Mode On>

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I tried to give Netent another chance,thinking their slots can't be as bad as I think they are.
So yesterday I decided to give Twin Spin a decent try as I saved up a decent bankroll to play with. (About €1000).
Well I wish I had never started to play this monster.
I have to say I started with €2.50 stakes right away as I think to win anything decent on a Netent slot you have to bet high.
From the moment I started the slot never ever showed me it's true hitpotential.
And that is what annoys me so much!
It can defo give nice hits but you just don't see them,as with all Netent slots.

I managed to get about 2300 spins and my biggest win was just over 50x bet! :mad::mad:
I got the feature with 5 similar lines about 4 times in 2300 spins with a max win of aboutx bet! :eek2:
Not a single time,even when down a couple of 100 it would return some money with a nice decent hit.

And given that I have seen a good few screenshots with full 9/10/J/Q/K/A but all on lower bets!!
So if you bet higher it won't give you a full screen?Is that it?
Even when down nearly 1k I got the 5 similar reels and it gave me 9,9,10 on each reel which pais absolutely crap.

I cannot believe how people find Netent slots entertaining as they eat your bankroll for breakfast,supper and lunch.
Never ever I managed to get a 500 or 1000x bet hit on any Netent slot.
It is disgusting and I am so fuming over this.

Not fuming I lost the money because that happens 9 out of 10 times I gamble online but it is the way I did lose it.
A machine like Twin Spin with giving no pleasure of playing in the whole session at all.
Netent for me is over,end of story.damn
Their slots suck big time

They are programmed to suck you dry.

Yes offcourse this goes for all slot providers but I get far far far far more value for my money playing MGS,Novomatic,WMS and even Nextgen slots...On all these I did hit multiple 1000x bet hits over the last years but Netent I never ever even came close to that.


It is a damn shame as they produce some very nice slots,I say that again but the way they setup the payouts and paytables are absolutely crap.

How can a slot like this produce you a 97% RTP average if you can't hit more than 50x bet on a 1k bankroll?
I wonder,I seriously do!

So sorry for rant guys!
Just wanted to get it out of the system and share my experience on this slot. :rolleyes:


<Rant Mode Off>

Mark. :cool:

EDIT: Just got my history of the whole session from the casino and it says my TRTP in that session was 87.7%.
 

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I totally get where your coming from I really do. Netent was the second to go on my list just after RTG. For the exact same reason as you. With the exception of one big win Netent just never paid out for me. I know there are some nice screenies floating around on this forum but IMO not enough and most of them are for DOA. I had to stop playing at multi-platform providers because I just found blowing my balance on Netent too damn tempting. Dont ask me why I don't even know the answer perhaps I'm a masochist lol!

With such bad returns on Netent there's next to no reason too play them because chances are deposits will be gone in a flash. I don't particularly mind losing I mean that's what happens after the slots have finished grinding your balance away but what I hate, hate, hate is losing at the speed I was before I quit playing Netent. I fail to see the entertainment in spinning until your balance reaches zero at an extremely rapid pace. I also know that regardless of what Netent apparently have set the TRTP that I was on the losing end of that TRTP at every single Netent casino I played at. I had about ten Netent accounts before I closed them all.

Seriously stick to WMS and even MG. We don't have WMS here in Oz so you should be very grateful ;) Anyway good luck on your next deposit I hope it's a winning one :)
 

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I believe it's called, "chasing a win."

For the non-professional in any activity or sport when you try to do well you usually don't. This is a lesson I learned well in Golf (the day you think you have it all figured out is the worst day you will have).

Play for recreation and enjoyment and, viola, you start to do better. Same with casino games.

When you try to win your common sense waves 'bye-bye' and your bet patterns change and the whole thing goes down the toilet!

Been there, done that.
 

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I believe it's called, "chasing a win."

For the non-professional in any activity or sport when you try to do well you usually don't. This is a lesson I learned well in Golf (the day you think you have it all figured out is the worst day you will have).

Play for recreation and enjoyment and, viola, you start to do better. Same with casino games.

When you try to win your common sense waves 'bye-bye' and your bet patterns change and the whole thing goes down the toilet!

Been there, done that.

The difference with NetEnt though is that the 'session saving' wins just aren't on the paytables for the vast majority of their slots.

Once your balance has diminished past a certain point, it's effectively impossible to claw things back, and then you just watch the inevitable and dreadful death by a thousand cuts take place.

They seem to have managed to combine the lack of decent pays associated with low variance slots, with the bankroll demolishing suction potential of higher variance slots - which is quite an achievement when you think about it.
 

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It's odd, but my luck is generally much better playing NetEnt slots than MG. A week ago, I won around € 1.200 betting € 2.50 at TwinSpin (NordicBet) (5 rows, all nines). True, I had lots of dead spins and was down to € 10, but I wasn't complaining after this win. All my winning screenies come from NetEnt games (Starburst, Egyptian Heroes, Zombies).

In my experience, a NetEnt slot can suddenly pay out big and I've rarely had this happening at MG...
 

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It's odd, but my luck is generally much better playing NetEnt slots than MG. A week ago, I won around € 1.200 betting € 2.50 at TwinSpin (NordicBet) (5 rows, all nines). True, I had lots of dead spins and was down to € 10, but I wasn't complaining after this win. All my winning screenies come from NetEnt games (Starburst, Egyptian Heroes, Zombies).

In my experience, a NetEnt slot can suddenly pay out big and I've rarely had this happening at MG...

Always the reverse for me - I might get a hundred, or a couple hundred bucks to put me up there, but if playing then drop, as Chops said, can't ever seem to climb back up to the high - whereas with Mg, I could see several wins in the hundreds (and several hundreds) range over a session, hitting new highs
 

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Okay this may seem like another noob question but when people say this gaming group is crap or another gaming group is crap , Low wins , Low variance etc , What does this all mean as dont the slot games have a $ payout ,Would a 92% payout netent slot be worse then say a 92% MG slot ?

If the payout are different then yes of course but wouldn't that apply to the slot rather than casino group ?

I play a mix of everything and i'm trying to get an idea of where and whats best to play ,The screenshots seem to be a good indicator but with i guess only a small group of players to get the evidence from ,Based on that we would all be playing 0.36 a spin on dead or alive haha
 

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Okay this may seem like another noob question but when people say this gaming group is crap or another gaming group is crap , Low wins , Low variance etc , What does this all mean as dont the slot games have a $ payout ,Would a 92% payout netent slot be worse then say a 92% MG slot ?

If the payout are different then yes of course but wouldn't that apply to the slot rather than casino group ?

I play a mix of everything and i'm trying to get an idea of where and whats best to play ,The screenshots seem to be a good indicator but with i guess only a small group of players to get the evidence from ,Based on that we would all be playing 0.36 a spin on dead or alive haha

RTP may be the same, but variance isn't, and some prefer high variance (less wins, less often, bigger hits) while some prefer low variance (more wins, more often, smaller hits) - depends what you like.
Except for the rare few, NetEnt games don't have the HUGE win potential of say, MG's Playboy, IR, TSII.
If you want the crack at the large hit, play MG
If you want entertainment, long play sessions, play NetEnt

Of course, you could win or lose in either.
 

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Okay this may seem like another noob question but when people say this gaming group is crap or another gaming group is crap , Low wins , Low variance etc , What does this all mean as dont the slot games have a $ payout ,Would a 92% payout netent slot be worse then say a 92% MG slot ?

Some good reading here - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/high-variance-understanding-it-loving-it.20229/

In simple terms, the higher the variance the higher the risk, but the higher potential reward.

HIGH VARIANCE SLOTS - Paytable weighted towards fewer big wins, but this is 'paid for' with lots of dead spins. A bad session on a high variance slot will destroy a bankroll with poor playtime.

LOW VARIANCE SLOTS - Paytable weighted towards more common smaller wins, but this is 'paid for' with far fewer (if any) very big wins. Good for playtime, not so good for winning big.

And there's everything inbetween those points, plus 'extreme' slots that are very high variance, or really dull slots that are very low variance.

Most online slots pay out around 95% in the long term, it's HOW they pay out that 95% that is variance.
 

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Lost over €3000 yesterday and i think my time is also over with Netent a.k.a robent, got 20 freespins/fall at gonzo with €5 bet two times yesterday paid 3x and 5x, it was so bad i actually was in shock to see this bad returns and eventually lost more than i should have. Still frustrated. After i lost 2K with 2-5€bet at gonzo i went to DOA with €1000 bankroll doing 0.90 and lost it all in 4 hours best return on doa was 45x on all these 1000s spins. Better to throw your money out of window or eat nice/buy nice things than this.

Also should note that i done 4000spins every day at dead or alive since last 2 months and havent had ANY decent win over 100x.
 

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Okay this may seem like another noob question but when people say this gaming group is crap or another gaming group is crap , Low wins , Low variance etc , What does this all mean as dont the slot games have a $ payout ,Would a 92% payout netent slot be worse then say a 92% MG slot ?

If the payout are different then yes of course but wouldn't that apply to the slot rather than casino group ?

I play a mix of everything and i'm trying to get an idea of where and whats best to play ,The screenshots seem to be a good indicator but with i guess only a small group of players to get the evidence from ,Based on that we would all be playing 0.36 a spin on dead or alive haha

First of all, in case you still aren't sure, NetEnt is a company that designs slot machines, not a casino itself. They licence these games to several different casinos.

In addition to what Dionysus and Chopley said, if two different slot games have the same RTP, but one is higher variance, you may have a better chance at winning if you make a smaller bet on the high variance game. Because you make a smaller bet, the house edge takes less of your money, but the high variance means big wins are still possible - and you're not just churning your money over and over for 1x-5x wins. You still may want to avoid the highest variance games for sanity's sake though.

The above point is related to why a lot of people don't like NetEnt games. If a game has constant small payouts, you'll just run your money through the slot machine again and again until the house edge takes it all. This seems to be true for some NetEnt games, but I think there are definitely at least a few NetEnt games that are worth playing. Secret of the stones is decent, South Park is pretty bad, still undecided on Twin Spin and the new CftBL game.
 

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I believe it's called, "chasing a win."

For the non-professional in any activity or sport when you try to do well you usually don't. This is a lesson I learned well in Golf (the day you think you have it all figured out is the worst day you will have).

Play for recreation and enjoyment and, viola, you start to do better. Same with casino games.

When you try to win your common sense waves 'bye-bye' and your bet patterns change and the whole thing goes down the toilet!

Been there, done that.

That is really really good solid advice.
Chasing a Win Demon gets the better of us.

Brilliantly said there.
 

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I tried to give Netent another chance,thinking their slots can't be as bad as I think they are.
So yesterday I decided to give Twin Spin a decent try as I saved up a decent bankroll to play with. (About €1000).
Well I wish I had never started to play this monster.
I have to say I started with €2.50 stakes right away as I think to win anything decent on a Netent slot you have to bet high.
From the moment I started the slot never ever showed me it's true hitpotential.
And that is what annoys me so much!
It can defo give nice hits but you just don't see them,as with all Netent slots.

I managed to get about 2300 spins and my biggest win was just over 50x bet! :mad::mad:
I got the feature with 5 similar lines about 4 times in 2300 spins with a max win of aboutx bet! :eek2:
Not a single time,even when down a couple of 100 it would return some money with a nice decent hit.

And given that I have seen a good few screenshots with full 9/10/J/Q/K/A but all on lower bets!!
So if you bet higher it won't give you a full screen?Is that it?
Even when down nearly 1k I got the 5 similar reels and it gave me 9,9,10 on each reel which pais absolutely crap.

I cannot believe how people find Netent slots entertaining as they eat your bankroll for breakfast,supper and lunch.
Never ever I managed to get a 500 or 1000x bet hit on any Netent slot.
It is disgusting and I am so fuming over this.

Not fuming I lost the money because that happens 9 out of 10 times I gamble online but it is the way I did lose it.
A machine like Twin Spin with giving no pleasure of playing in the whole session at all.
Netent for me is over,end of story.damn
Their slots suck big time

They are programmed to suck you dry.

Yes offcourse this goes for all slot providers but I get far far far far more value for my money playing MGS,Novomatic,WMS and even Nextgen slots...On all these I did hit multiple 1000x bet hits over the last years but Netent I never ever even came close to that.


It is a damn shame as they produce some very nice slots,I say that again but the way they setup the payouts and paytables are absolutely crap.

How can a slot like this produce you a 97% RTP average if you can't hit more than 50x bet on a 1k bankroll?
I wonder,I seriously do!

So sorry for rant guys!
Just wanted to get it out of the system and share my experience on this slot. :rolleyes:


<Rant Mode Off>

Mark. :cool:

EDIT: Just got my history of the whole session from the casino and it says my TRTP in that session was 87.7%.

Twin Spin might just be the worst slot they released in a long time. I played it at Betsafe the first day, got the 5 reels wild a couple of times, and
the best was 50x. And countless 2,3,4,5 full of sevens or diamonds or whatever and nothing on reel 1. Just incredibly frustrating, same as nothing
on seventh respin on Reel Rush. All in all, hundred euro gone on .25 bet and no wins, at all. Then I tried at Casumo, CasinoEuro and Next over the following week, same result. That is no coincidence.
I will be coming back for a bit of Gonzo, Zombies and Evolution once in a while, but the latest slots are just awful. Btw played the Creature from the Black lagoon, it looks nice but again, it has sticky wilds, expanding wilds in free spins, so obviously except the highest symbol all other pay crap.

So, yeah, back to Microgaming section :thumbsup:
 

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Twin Spin might just be the worst slot they released in a long time.

It's no different than the others. They design the paytables in a way that they pay the correct RTP so people actually win but never cashout. IMO that's borderline dishonest.

They weren't like that at first (proof: DoA, Reel Steal, Thunderfist, JatB). It looks like they decided to go exclusively this route after the success of Starburst. Starburst is an awesome money printing low risk, high reward slot for any casino to have. It's almost like an arcade game where people only buy play time.

When you play NetEnt you need to stick with the pre-Starburst slots. If you venture in the newer, more appealing slots, you're as good as done.
 

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It's no different than the others. They design the paytables in a way that they pay the correct RTP so people actually win but never cashout. IMO that's borderline dishonest.

They weren't like that at first (proof: DoA, Reel Steal, Thunderfist, JatB). It looks like they decided to go exclusively this route after the success of Starburst. Starburst is an awesome money printing low risk, high reward slot for any casino to have. It's almost like an arcade game where people only buy play time.

When you play NetEnt you need to stick with the pre-Starburst slots. If you venture in the newer, more appealing slots, you're as good as done.

Hopefully it will all pass and they will start making more traditional slots. Because, visually, they are the best.

If you look at the list of favourites at each casino, starburst obv top of the lists, but then it is gonzo, jack hammer jatb and so on.
The new games dont have staying power.
 

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I can summarize this thread in one sentence:

ALL makes of software are crap when you have a losing run.

Losing is not the point here Dunover.
Like I said in my OP,losing is part of gambling and I don 't mind that as long as I at least get some value for my money.
How come I can hit multiple big wins this year om MGS,Novomatic,WMS,Ash Gaming and Nextgen but had not a single big win on ANY Netent slot?
All my sessions ended up in a TRTP of between 82% and highest was I believe 89% on Netent slots in 2013.
So where is the 95%-97% range in that?
Sure I was up maybe 50 or 100 bucks on a Netent slot sometimes but if you achieve this should you take your win and run?
Is that the best you can get on a Netent slot?
That is quite bad i.m.h.o.

I am trying to find out why it is that Netent slots act the way they do.

Let's say I am down xxx Euro on Twin Spin on casino xxx.
I had a 82% TRTP on that slot,should I go back and play it again as I am way down on that slot and will it come back to me with at least a better session?
If the slot was a MGS or WMS slot I would say yes but with Netent slots I doubt if it ever will come back with something decent.

So basicly I am questioning the way Netent slots operate in general.

I asked this question before,do you play Netent slots with high or low stakes.
As the paytable is so poor I tend to bet between €2.00-€3.00 on Netent slots where on a MGS or WMS slot I can play easily €0.60 bets and line a very nice win.
Playing Netent on €0.50 spins and getting 100's of spins with 0.5x-2x bet return does not really appeal to me.

Played Jungle Wild yesterday,one of my fav. WMS slots and deposited €50.00,walked away with €450.00 so got half of my losses from Twin Spin back at least. :)
 

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I'm amazed anyone still plays Netent slots, or at least any of the new ones.

As a low-roller it's effectively impossible to win on them, as a high-roller those rare 100-200x wins can at least net you a decent amount of cash, but the risk of course is busting out a big bankroll as happened to the OP.

Just vote with your wallets! We all know how they're designed to work (as neatly summarised by Balthazar a few posts back), just steer clear and stop setting fire to your money!

(Although personally I think their last decent slot was Evolution, which is post-Starburst. Wild Rockets is alright too.)
 

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as a high-roller those rare 100-200x wins can at least net you a decent amount of cash

That's where they are the most deceptive Chop. It's way, way more difficult to win 100x-200x on Starburst and friends than it is on their high variance counterparts. 150x on Reel Steal is common and I won't even blink. 150x on Starburst or EggOMatic is so rare that it's screenshot time!

Most of their RTP is in the 10x-30x range (ie: useless at ANY stake).
 

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Losing is not the point here Dunover.
Like I said in my OP,losing is part of gambling and I don 't mind that as long as I at least get some value for my money.
How come I can hit multiple big wins this year om MGS,Novomatic,WMS,Ash Gaming and Nextgen but had not a single big win on ANY Netent slot?
All my sessions ended up in a TRTP of between 82% and highest was I believe 89% on Netent slots in 2013.
So where is the 95%-97% range in that?
Sure I was up maybe 50 or 100 bucks on a Netent slot sometimes but if you achieve this should you take your win and run?
Is that the best you can get on a Netent slot?
That is quite bad i.m.h.o.

I am trying to find out why it is that Netent slots act the way they do.

Let's say I am down xxx Euro on Twin Spin on casino xxx.
I had a 82% TRTP on that slot,should I go back and play it again as I am way down on that slot and will it come back to me with at least a better session?
If the slot was a MGS or WMS slot I would say yes but with Netent slots I doubt if it ever will come back with something decent.

So basicly I am questioning the way Netent slots operate in general.

I asked this question before,do you play Netent slots with high or low stakes.
As the paytable is so poor I tend to bet between €2.00-€3.00 on Netent slots where on a MGS or WMS slot I can play easily €0.60 bets and line a very nice win.
Playing Netent on €0.50 spins and getting 100's of spins with 0.5x-2x bet return does not really appeal to me.

Played Jungle Wild yesterday,one of my fav. WMS slots and deposited €50.00,walked away with €450.00 so got half of my losses from Twin Spin back at least. :)

Lotusch - take a look at this thread. Admittedly half the winnings came from Quickfire MG games, but Netent did a good job there.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...brink-at-guts-casino-what-a-turnaround.57154/
 

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I'm amazed anyone still plays Netent slots, or at least any of the new ones.

As a low-roller it's effectively impossible to win on them, as a high-roller those rare 100-200x wins can at least net you a decent amount of cash, but the risk of course is busting out a big bankroll as happened to the OP.

Just vote with your wallets! We all know how they're designed to work (as neatly summarised by Balthazar a few posts back), just steer clear and stop setting fire to your money!

(Although personally I think their last decent slot was Evolution, which is post-Starburst. Wild Rockets is alright too.)

Yes, as I just told Lotusch, Wild Rockets can give 200-500x stake with little gap between, as my 'Great Escape' thread showed.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...brink-at-guts-casino-what-a-turnaround.57154/
 

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I can summarize this thread in one sentence:

ALL makes of software are crap when you have a losing run.

I disagree with that. A good slot is a good slot regardless of your success rate or "run". IR is my favorite online slot and I never won anything big on it (but I sure got awful sessions). On the other hand, I could get the best run ever on Disco Spins and it would stay a pile of horse shit in my book. Heck, I'd win the jackpot on Mega Fortune and would still think that the slot sucks.
 

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@ the OP; I have to say it's a bit unfair to judge a whole software based on just one slot, especially as Twin-Spin will be a serious contender for "Worst Slot of the Decade".
I've played it a few times now - and it really is shite.

You don't say which other NetEnt games you've played, but as an example I have hit wins of over bet x100 on ALL of these during the last week or so:
South Park
Fisticuffs
Reel Rush
EggOMatic
Frankenstein
Flowers

I wouldn't necessarily recommend all of those, but personally I will definitely return to South Park, EggOMatic & Frankenstein which I think nearly always give good play-time & a reasonable chance of a decent win.
I would add to that Evolution, Jack Hammer 2 and Jack and the Beanstalk, which I also go back to again and again.

Once your balance has diminished past a certain point, it's effectively impossible to claw things back, and then you just watch the inevitable and dreadful death by a thousand cuts take place.
Yep, I made that STUPID mistake a couple of days ago; Played Beach and foolishly chased a decent free-waves win after a bad start - but all I got from the 3 features I eventually won, were 3 heaps of sewage washed up on the shore...
About €400 down the toilet :(

KK
 

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Hey KK,well I mean all the Netent slots I have ever played.
Where will I begin.

South Park,Fisticuffs,Silent Run (one of the worst slots ever),DOA,Starburst,JATB,Twin Spin,Egg o Matic,Secret of the Stones etc etc etc.
I cannot win on Netent,period.

Maybe Netent doesn't like me either.
Maybe that is all to it.

I know you promote Netent KK,no problems with that whatsoever but for me Netent does not work.
I know now to avoid these slots as hell.

But that said again,that is my personal experience with Netent.
They can scrape ENT as it stands for entertainment.

:cool:
 

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I am with the other posters, I think you should try some of the older NetEnt slots.

Despite Starburst being a favourite of mine, and finding DOA about as exciting as watching paint dry most times, games like Jack and the Beanstalk, Gonzo, Bloodsuckers, Piggy Riches, Jackhammer, Flowers, Thunderfist, Reel Steal, Frankenstein and others mentioned here are pretty decent stuff IMO.

I actually really like Jackpot 6000 too. The amount you must bet varies from casino to casino, and classic slots are not everyone's game.
 
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