Neteller gives player personal info to casinos?

[portia]

I'd like to know exactly what THEY would "deem (as) fraudulent." That can be a very large grey area. If a casino says so or questions a players legitimacy then does NT "deem" it so? Deem means "to have as an opinion." No basis in fact is necessary. How many casinos have "deemed" someone an abuser or fraudulent player based on no real information other then the fact they win.

Is Colin shy or is he trying to tell us something thru his neglect of this thread?

 

[lanidar]

Is Colin shy or is he trying to tell us something thru his neglect of this thread?

Why doesn't everyone STOP complaining and guessing about what's going on with Colin and just phone him!
Here's the phone number so you don't even have to look it up.

1-888-258-5859

 

[caruso]

I'd prefer it in writing, here, for the masses, considering the legal issues. Phone calls don't mean much. Facts posted at Casinomeister are a bit more binding.

How does Neteller deem a player "fraudulent"? Is it on the basis of the word of a merchant? Any merchant? If Warren Cloud - who claims to process millions through Neteller and must therefore be a valuable customer - claims that Player X is a "fruad", is this sufficient justification for Neteller to pass on to Warren personal information about Player X that he wouldn't otherwise have access to? Or is it on a different basis?

If Colin is so happy to be contacted by phone, why can he not manage a simple answer right here? Seems to me it would save a lot of time. He'll get fair treatment - I think Bryan will see to that.

On what basis does Neteller share confidential player information with their merchants? And on what basis does Neteller instigate withdrawals from player accounts WITHOUT the authorization of the account holder, ie. the player?

 

[portia]

Now am hearing several players from Canada report that their bank accounts have been closed and told that they are not wanted as a customer anymore because of EFT to NETELLER.

The bank of Nova Scotia reportedly said "Neteller is involved with the illegal on-line gambling business".

How do they figure that to be when the gaming servers of dozens of major online casinos are 3 miles south of Montreal on an indian reserve.

Also a former Minister of Justice of VCanada, Doug Lewis, is involved in the online bingo business.

And where is the canadian law that says it is illegal? There is no mention of online gaming anywhere. And the gambling laws as applied online where never tested in court in the starnet case - they plea bargained.

Too bad there was not some public venue that neteller could communicate with us.

They gave an interview to Casinomeister, but they do not post? Maybe they need a newsletter or another casinomeister interview?

 

[mary]

Jan 1, 2004 was when Canadian legislation concerning privacy was put into effect. Neteller should know this; should state that they are in compliance. Thisis not just for banks, it is for all private industry. There's even a Minister of Privacy! This is the segment pertaining to release of information--verifying information for online casinos does not appear to qualify in my (not a lawyer) opinion.

(3) For the purpose of clause 4.3 of Schedule 1, and despite the note that accompanies that clause, an organization may disclose personal information without the knowledge or consent of the individual only if the disclosure is
(a) made to, in the Province of Quebec, an advocate or notary or, in any other province, a barrister or solicitor who is representing the organization;
(b) for the purpose of collecting a debt owed by the individual to the organization;
(c) required to comply with a subpoena or warrant issued or an order made by a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information, or to comply with rules of court relating to the production of records;
(c.1) made to a government institution or part of a government institution that has made a request for the information, identified its lawful authority to obtain the information and indicated that
(i) it suspects that the information relates to national security, the defence of Canada or the conduct of international affairs,
(ii) the disclosure is requested for the purpose of enforcing any law of Canada, a province or a foreign jurisdiction, carrying out an investigation relating to the enforcement of any such law or gathering intelligence for the purpose of enforcing any such law, or
(iii) the disclosure is requested for the purpose of administering any law of Canada or a province;
(d) made on the initiative of the organization to an investigative body, a government institution or a part of a government institution and the organization
(i) has reasonable grounds to believe that the information relates to a breach of an agreement or a contravention of the laws of Canada, a province or a foreign jurisdiction that has been, is being or is about to be committed, or
(ii) suspects that the information relates to national security, the defence of Canada or the conduct of international affairs;
(e) made to a person who needs the information because of an emergency that threatens the life, health or security of an individual and, if the individual whom the information is about is alive, the organization informs that individual in writing without delay of the disclosure;
(f) for statistical, or scholarly study or research, purposes that cannot be achieved without disclosing the information, it is impracticable to obtain consent and the organization informs the Commissioner of the disclosure before the information is disclosed;
(g) made to an institution whose functions include the conservation of records of historic or archival importance, and the disclosure is made for the purpose of such conservation;
(h) made after the earlier of
(i) one hundred years after the record containing the information was created, and
(ii) twenty years after the death of the individual whom the information is about;
(h.1) of information that is publicly available and is specified by the regulations;
(h.2) made by an investigative body and the disclosure is reasonable for purposes related to investigating a breach of an agreement or a contravention of the laws of Canada or a province; or
(i) required by law.

 

[The Dude]

Now am hearing several players from Canada report that their bank accounts have been closed and told that they are not wanted as a customer anymore because of EFT to NETELLER...

...They gave an interview to Casinomeister, but they do not post? Maybe they need a newsletter or another casinomeister interview?

This seems odd since Neteller is used for other merchants besides online casinos. How about have these players contact either me, or Colin, or post here. The bank has no idea what is done with the money once it goes into your Neteller account.

Like I mentioned before, Colin is happy to answer any of your questions via phone or email, but due to corporate policies he is not able to post.