my horse racing system in the uk.

philderby1

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as some of you know, I like my betting systems! Ive started a new thread here and if you want plaes paper trade this with me. every day between 9 and 12.30 I will post my one selection, then look on odds comparison sites to get the best odds. I recommend using 20% of your bankroll per day. I will start with a made up starting bank of £100 and use 20% every bet. Im hoping to see a profit within 7 to 10 days. although could go broke very soon. I will pre warn the haters that there will be some odds on horses in my selections and nearly all will be favorites, so please don't complain! Also only gamble what you can afford to lose thats why im paper trading it. next post will be between 9 and 12 tomorrow morning with the days selection. enjoy peeps :)
 

Andy Walker

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as some of you know, I like my betting systems! Ive started a new thread here and if you want plaes paper trade this with me. every day between 9 and 12.30 I will post my one selection, then look on odds comparison sites to get the best odds. I recommend using 20% of your bankroll per day. I will start with a made up starting bank of £100 and use 20% every bet. Im hoping to see a profit within 7 to 10 days. although could go broke very soon. I will pre warn the haters that there will be some odds on horses in my selections and nearly all will be favorites, so please don't complain! Also only gamble what you can afford to lose thats why im paper trading it. next post will be between 9 and 12 tomorrow morning with the days selection. enjoy peeps :)

Given my knowledge of Horses’ breaks down to the fact they usually have four legs and are allergic to Ragwort I would possibly use a system of betting on “odds on” and “favourites” too.

Other than a friendly comparison chart between members’ on the state of play and state of pay I don’t see any value.

News from the barn wouldn't harm?
 

vinylweatherman

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My Dad spent 50 years trying to perfect a system that did not rely on "inside knowledge", just access to the last 6 outings form and the stats for the current race.

When he died, he passed the rights on to me, the gambler of the family.

I may have to sue:D


I did some analysis of my own, starting as a kid backing horses with 2p via my Dad.

It appeared that horses behaved according to some of the rules of Quantum physics, in that my Dad actually going down to the bookies and placing his bet changed the outcome of the race from a dead cert win to the backed horse coming in near the back, falling at the last, or even dropping dead yards from the finish. Conversely, horses he decided not to back in the end romped home well clear of the field.

I then developed my own system. I would wait whilst Dad spent up to 3 hours studying the racing post or daily mail, consulting his books of tables, and compiling his initial list. As soon as he was ready to nip down to Ladbrokes, I asked for two things, the initial list, and the ones he actually intended backing. I then wrote down all the geegees that appeared on the initial list, but that had been "crossed off" during deliberations and failed to make it to the final list. I then backed them all:p

My system tended to at least equal, if not outperform, my Dad's one.

The problem now is not in compiling the initial list, but in predicting which ones would get crossed off and not get backed in the end.

I suggested several times that he computerised the system in so far as compiling the initial list from form figures, and recording past results, but he was something of a luddite, and would not go near one, insisting that it all had to be pen and paper or it wouldn't work.

It didn't really work in any case, but when you have been made redundant it gives one something to do of interest.

He inspired me to develop and perfect my now (in)famous "fruitie systems";)
 

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VWM,

Oh the tales I could tell of sitting for hours while my significant other and his buddies pour over the DRF etc. to pick the days winners and then I win because I bet on the horse that wore a certain color silks or whose name I thought was cute. LOL!

Asked a trainer friend of mine one time how to pick a horse. He told me to pick the one I would like to get up every morning and look at in the pasture because that was about as sure a thing as handicapping goes.

Love to watch the ponies run though.
 
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Nifty29

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My Dad spent 50 years trying to perfect a system that did not rely on "inside knowledge", just access to the last 6 outings form and the stats for the current race.

When he died, he passed the rights on to me, the gambler of the family.

I may have to sue:D


I did some analysis of my own, starting as a kid backing horses with 2p via my Dad.

It appeared that horses behaved according to some of the rules of Quantum physics, in that my Dad actually going down to the bookies and placing his bet changed the outcome of the race from a dead cert win to the backed horse coming in near the back, falling at the last, or even dropping dead yards from the finish. Conversely, horses he decided not to back in the end romped home well clear of the field.

I then developed my own system. I would wait whilst Dad spent up to 3 hours studying the racing post or daily mail, consulting his books of tables, and compiling his initial list. As soon as he was ready to nip down to Ladbrokes, I asked for two things, the initial list, and the ones he actually intended backing. I then wrote down all the geegees that appeared on the initial list, but that had been "crossed off" during deliberations and failed to make it to the final list. I then backed them all:p

My system tended to at least equal, if not outperform, my Dad's one.

The problem now is not in compiling the initial list, but in predicting which ones would get crossed off and not get backed in the end.

I suggested several times that he computerised the system in so far as compiling the initial list from form figures, and recording past results, but he was something of a luddite, and would not go near one, insisting that it all had to be pen and paper or it wouldn't work.

It didn't really work in any case, but when you have been made redundant it gives one something to do of interest.

He inspired me to develop and perfect my now (in)famous "fruitie systems";)

What a load of malarkey.

With due respect to your dad, there is NO system that guarantees you a win over the long term....except winning your FIRST and ONLY bet EVER.

You're trying to tell us (for the 500th time...congrats on the milestone BTW) that your Dad is the ONLY person in the world to have developed a foolproof racing system that can't lose...but he just "couldn't afford to implement it"...??? Since you've "inherited the reins".....I have a tower in France for sale on which I'm happy to give you a personal discount.

Added to that, you expect intelligent people to believe that this "racing system" helped you "perfect" your "AWP system" (which you haven't BTW....remember your recent "megastreak"prediction? You know...the one that did NOT come true...). I guess its also time to inform all the pro punters that they're wasting their time being at the track every day at 4am, and don't have to do any other legwork.

Sorry, but I have a brain, as do others here, and if you expect people with a brain to take you seriously, you should seriously consider knocking off the "I'm smarter than everyone else" and "I can beat the slots/races/tiddlywinks/whatever" stuff and rejoin us plebs down here. Perhaps then you might see how ridiculous your "systems" nonsense really is.

Bryan has always said that systems are for fools. He is spot on.


(I also find it interesting that, even though you DO have the computing power at your fingertips, and all your "AWP system profits", you have just decided to ignore a foolproof money-making scheme. Right.)
 

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:eek::confused::D:p cat woman said to bat man we together can run this town :thumbsup: bat man replied what about robin :confused: witch cat woman replied why kill him of course ;)
 

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Racing systems?

My Dad spent 50 years trying to perfect a system ... horses he decided not to back in the end romped home well clear of the field.

Hey VW that's the exact same system I used to use :cool:

Be that as it may, I found your account funny and (unlike :machinegu whatsisface)

quite entertaining.

Whatcha reckon V ... the OP onto something here?
 

Nifty29

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Hey VW that's the exact same system I used to use :cool:

Be that as it may, I found your account funny and (unlike :machinegu whatsisface)

quite entertaining.

Whatcha reckon V ... the OP onto something here?

"Onto" something....no.

"On" something....almost certainly.

The story was interesting and had entertainment value.....it just lost its lustre after the 200th time for me....maybe I'm just too hard to entertain....

The reason I post in a way that shows systems as a load of crap is that newbs (and even not so newbs) can actually get sucked in by members (especially senior ones) sprouting off about how they can "beat" whatever form of gambling that ever existed. It is not always meant to sucker people in....most times its just someone trying to convince everyone else that they're "smarter" than them to (most likely) pump up their self-esteem or whatever. Also, i do it to EVERY poster that comes along with their systems BS....so its nothing personal.

One thing is always the same with those that brag about their "unbeatable" systems....they never quite seem to make them actually WORK. Its always one excuse after another e.g. don't have the funds, the games have been chipped/rigged, blah blah blah. I DO find THAT funny. Oh I forgot my favorite excuse...."I knew it was gonna win I was certain....I just didn't back it". LOL. Come on. Anyone can say that with hindsight. If it was such a dead cert only a fool wouldn't put money on it. The TRUTH is that these systems people will only tell you about when their system looked like it worked....they neglect to say anything about when it did NOT e.g. the big awp wins, but not the big losses.

FWIW members have actually been banned here for talking about systems and claiming they have one to beat the games. Bryan takes a rather dim view...and for good reason.
 

vinylweatherman

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Hey VW that's the exact same system I used to use :cool:

Be that as it may, I found your account funny and (unlike :machinegu whatsisface)

quite entertaining.

Whatcha reckon V ... the OP onto something here?

Probably not.

Over the years it has been revealed that horse racing has been rigged to a considerable degree by insiders. Jockeys being paid to deliberately throw a race, opponents horses being drugged, one's own being given illegal performance enhancing potions, handicaps being manipulated, etc.

In effect, Dad didn't stand a chance because the horses kept on getting "chipped":D

The problem with his system was that it produced far too many "leads", and it was the process of reducing the list to a manageable size that messed things up.

In a nutshell (a coconut that is, not a walnut - I am not known for brevity), Dad's system was about looking for patterns in past results for individual horses and trying to predict it's next placing. The selections in a race were those horses who's pattern indicated a win the next time out. The drawback was that sometimes half the field in a race was "due" a win on the next outing, and the art of predicting which of half a dozen horses was "the most due" was it's downfall.

He always believed that if "done properly" it would be a dead cert money maker, but he was never able to do it "properly" in 50 years.

Trying to develop a system can be a fun challenge though, and it does seem that there are such people as "professional gamblers" who can consistently beat the odds over the long term, especially when it comes to sports betting and games where the actions of the player can influence the outcome (Poker for example, even card counting in Blackjack). There are people who bookies fear, and who casinos throw out on sight, because they can consistently beat the odds. In effect, their "snake oil" works, and those who should REALLY understand systems, the operators and bookies, believe in them.

The art of making money from a system is not necessarily finding one that works, but one that can convince people who should know better that it does. There are many tipsters making good money out of systems that have little basis in maths or science, but they have a radio show, or newspaper column, and they get paid for producing them. They just need a few of their tips to win to look credible.

There are also many "professional gamblers" who sell their tips on a subscription basis where you pay so much a year and get in return a limited number of "dead cert" tips. They don't all win, and this is admitted. The systems are sold on the basis that if followed properly, they will produce an overall profit, or your money back (the subscription that is, not your losing bets).

I am never going to sell a fruitie system to Nifty, but who knows, I could place an ad in the Sun, which has already hosted an ad for the fruitie systems of the pro players of the 1990's. I even bought one of them for £20 just to see what was REALLY on offer, and it was essentially a load of bollocks, nothing more than pointing out how some universal "hidden features" worked, such as the third hold on a pair always giving the win. However, for newbies, such basic knowledge would indeed be of benefit. What was conspicuous by it's absence were those systems that really DID work because of a bug in the machine's software, the systems where the REAL money was being made.

Online games are no different, they too are based on software, and so it is just as likely that there will be working systems because of features that don't actually work as the operator thinks, and that due to errors of calculation can lead to an RTP of over 100% if "done properly". The fact is, such bugs have gone live, but the ones we hear about the most are those that work in favour of the casino, which players discover and make a big fuss about. The Finsoft case went to the highest levels, but we didn't hear calls for Microgaming to be investigated over Chief's Fortune did we, the players who knew that one kept their mouths shut for three months whilst Micogaming didn't have a clue, and even kept quiet when it was discovered and it became clear that Microgaming had decided not to admit the screw up, but instead try relying on vague "advantage/illegitimate play" reasons for the voiding of winnings gained via the bug. The game was then pulled, fixed, and only came back at a few places, not everywhere it had been yanked from. In fact, very similar to the fate of a pirate themed slot;)

I have also been looking around at the new breed of Quickfire based flash casinos, and have noted that many of the fruities have been retired, rather than having been ported from the old Flash client to Quickfire.
 

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At the end of the day horses don't run in patterns, thus no system can be and will ever be made that can beat the bookies.
 

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You don't need to sell me your system Vinyl.....I already know how it works, and I'm sharing it with everyone now:

1. Choose an AWP

2. Keep spinning at high stakes until it "pops"

3. Rinse and repeat.

All you need is deep pockets and lots of patience.

The same "system" can be used on ANY slot, with similar outcomes I.e. occasionally you will hit really big, but mostly you won't, and you'll end up behind the 8 ball in the long run, just like VWM.

A system that causes you to LOSE is totally worthless. Unless you can somehow interfere with the gaming servers....and you can't....you're exposed to the exact same house edge as anyone else.
 

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Come on Phil.
Give us your pick of the day.
You can't be any worse than I am and it'll be good for me either way as I have a daily flutter.
If I win, I win. If I lose, it's your fault not mine, and I would definitely have picked the winner if I'd studied the form. ;)
 

vinylweatherman

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Come on Phil.
Give us your pick of the day.
You can't be any worse than I am and it'll be good for me either way as I have a daily flutter.
If I win, I win. If I lose, it's your fault not mine, and I would definitely have picked the winner if I'd studied the form. ;)


Treasure Ireland - 3:30 non handicap empty at Golden Tiger:p
 

philderby1

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todays selecion

okidoki people here is to days selection, please follow with you betting balance (real or not) my starting balance is £100. using 20% of this todays selection Im going to back strategical @Wolverhampton @ 1/12. remember peeps little acorns and all that. Im glad this thread has brought some interest. discuss..
 

philderby1

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okidoki people here is to days selection, please follow with you betting balance (real or not) my starting balance is £100. using 20% of this todays selection Im going to back strategical @Wolverhampton @ 1/12. remember peeps little acorns and all that. Im glad this thread has brought some interest. discuss..

*Wolverhampton @ 550
 

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okidoki people here is to days selection, please follow with you betting balance (real or not) my starting balance is £100. using 20% of this todays selection Im going to back strategical @Wolverhampton @ 1/12. remember peeps little acorns and all that. Im glad this thread has brought some interest. discuss..

Small acorns is all well and good Phil but 1/12 (you can get 1/10)!
Haven't you just picked the lowest odds horse in the world today?

I'm 100% with you on that one Phil. We'll definitely be €1 richer for our €20 bet.

I'd add Callhimwhatyouwant in the 14:15 at Worcester for 13/5.
 

philderby1

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Small acorns is all well and good Phil but 1/12 (you can get 1/10)!
Haven't you just picked the lowest odds horse in the world today?

I'm 100% with you on that one Phil. We'll definitely be €1 richer for our €20 bet.

I'd add Callhimwhatyouwant in the 14:15 at Worcester for 13/5.

my excuse is (for the price) i have too many things to do today, thats also probably why the post was on so late! I will be listening to the race live later, Im not just picking the shortest price horse of the day, if it becomes profitable then I might say what im doing to get the one horse a day however its early days :)
 

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my excuse is (for the price) i have too many things to do today, thats also probably why the post was on so late! I will be listening to the race live later, Im not just picking the shortest price horse of the day, if it becomes profitable then I might say what im doing to get the one horse a day however its early days :)

Lead on Phil, I'm right with you. This time next year we'll be millionaires!
 

vinylweatherman

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Small acorns is all well and good Phil but 1/12 (you can get 1/10)!
Haven't you just picked the lowest odds horse in the world today?

I'm 100% with you on that one Phil. We'll definitely be €1 richer for our €20 bet.

I'd add Callhimwhatyouwant in the 14:15 at Worcester for 13/5.

This is a horse that is racing in an event way below it's class. The bookies know this, and that unless something exceptional happens, it is sure to win. My Dad would spot such races, but would rarely bother with them.
The problem is that just having 2 losers at these odds and 18 winners would still leave you with a loss.

The other thing to watch out for in the bigger races are horses entered as "pacemakers" for a trainers prime selection. They are pushed hard from the start to set the pace, and often lead for much of the way, however they quickly fade in the final stages, often coming in close to last. They can win though, because the jockey cannot deliberately slow them down to make way for another (the stewards would spot it and launch an inquiry), and it could be on better form than the trainer thought, and actually follow through and take the race.
 

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I'd add Callhimwhatyouwant in the 14:15 at Worcester for 13/5.

Call him what you want indeed, I would imagine there were a few variations uttered from the punters as they ripped up their betting slips.

All good fun though, I use a system where each horse is assigned numbers on a dart board. For the purposes of science I blindfold myself in case I feel influenced and try to choose the horse I think will win.

Not done terribly good so far but maybe one day I win enough to get a plasterer in to patch the wall and a glazier to replace the window.
 

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over here in Boston suffolk downs when whitey was running this town they'd drug, or tamper with the better horses to lose create a bad record of outs then sober them up and away they would run [a lot of theses ringers were bot as lame from much better tracks such as aqueduct ]

just a tidbit from Boston
 
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