my casino experience

[skiny]

I cannot for the life of my figure out how anyone is winning anything with Microgaming. I keep reading people saying they win but I'm lucky if I can get one decent session a year. Almost every deposit I make low rolls 30 or 50 dollars to zero in about 20 minutes if I'm lucky. I might see one bonus feature every second deposit. I'm playing video slot games with 20 or 25 lines and finishing sessions with a 66% RTP and getting told that it's low but it's not surprising. I must have won one hell of a lot of money 10 years ago and forgotten about it because I can't get a session with an RTP over 80% but my lifetime RTP never drops below 95%.

Well it should be surprising if it happens often enough. And then they have this great comp point system where if you wager 10 thousand dollars you can claim 10. Of course with my game play I would have to deposit 8 thousand to wager 10. I can claim comps a half dozen times playing RTG with the same deposits and still not have enough to claim once with Microgaming.

I've claimed more comp points at Bodog in the last 4 months than I've claimed at 32Red in the last 8 years and my deposit habits haven't changed.

I don't expect to make withdrawals. I know the chances of even doubling my 30 or 50 dollars are pretty slim. It would be nice to have 5 dollars more than I start with once in a while. Getting told "It's random and it's luck" month after month does start to get a little old after a while. After a while all you really read is "tough luck and too bad." Pulling one half decent session out of this software is like pulling teeth out of a chicken.

Maybe these casinos know this. Maybe this is why they don't comp people who get less than an hour's game play out of the last 5 deposits combined. They would probably have to do it for 95% of the people playing.

I'll just wait until my pending withdrawal from Bodog shows up and carry on playing there. I only go back to Microgaming for a change once in a while now. I should probably stop doing that because the change I get is 10% of the play time and no comps.

 

[lausitzer28]

Dear lausitzer
it is all random. 5 big wins in a row is nearly impossible,

Right and thats why it is not random. If you let run a casino in a random mode, this means tomorrow as for example five people could win BIG because random means everything is possible, and i meaning those five people could win really BIG. Do you know what this means for a OC `?

Huge losses.

If you had a firm would you let your firm run in a random mode

so if you can control a software just by pushing some buttons on the screen wouldn´t you do this?

Isnt it funny that the Netent Jackpot always cracked on Sunday and always the winner is a Scandinavian.

Oh dear, Netent and MG are from Sweden this means the money stays in Wonderland Scandinavia.

 

[mrmark21]

I cannot for the life of my figure out how anyone is winning anything with Microgaming. I keep reading people saying they win but I'm lucky if I can get one decent session a year. Almost every deposit I make low rolls 30 or 50 dollars to zero in about 20 minutes if I'm lucky. I might see one bonus feature every second deposit. I'm playing video slot games with 20 or 25 lines and finishing sessions with a 66% RTP and getting told that it's low but it's not surprising. I must have won one hell of a lot of money 10 years ago and forgotten about it because I can't get a session with an RTP over 80% but my lifetime RTP never drops below 95%.

Well it should be surprising if it happens often enough. And then they have this great comp point system where if you wager 10 thousand dollars you can claim 10. Of course with my game play I would have to deposit 8 thousand to wager 10. I can claim comps a half dozen times playing RTG with the same deposits and still not have enough to claim once with Microgaming.

I've claimed more comp points at Bodog in the last 4 months than I've claimed at 32Red in the last 8 years and my deposit habits haven't changed.

I don't expect to make withdrawals. I know the chances of even doubling my 30 or 50 dollars are pretty slim. It would be nice to have 5 dollars more than I start with once in a while. Getting told "It's random and it's luck" month after month does start to get a little old after a while. After a while all you really read is "tough luck and too bad." Pulling one half decent session out of this software is like pulling teeth out of a chicken.

Maybe these casinos know this. Maybe this is why they don't comp people who get less than an hour's game play out of the last 5 deposits combined. They would probably have to do it for 95% of the people playing.

I'll just wait until my pending withdrawal from Bodog shows up and carry on playing there. I only go back to Microgaming for a change once in a while now. I should probably stop doing that because the change I get is 10% of the play time and no comps.

Me either. I've gone three months without a withdrawal on ANY software (probably more like four now). I manage to double or triple my money and then BAM the slots suck it all back and then some! But no other software seems to piss me off as much as MG. I can't even count the amount of times I've been playing Moonshine and won 3 spins on a 1x multiplier on the feature (the lowest you can possibly get). I stopped playing that game because I always got the same feature. That game's very low variance BTW.

I keep seeing on these threads that the reason people aren't winning on MG is because of the variance of the games. That the games they are playing are "high variance" slots. Let's say even if people were playing "high variance" slots and continuously losing wouldn't random luck dictate that after a whole year of endless losing you would get a really nice win? Or how about playing really low variance games? They are impossible to win on as well. IMPO variance and randomness has nothing to do with it MG slots are just randomly tight.

Every single MG account I've got has an RTP of below 80% except for a couple (you should consider yourself lucky). One of them being Guts although they have given me so many comps because of my pathetic game play that the customer support agent actually took that into account (the worth) when working out my RTP without comps from memory I think it was something like 68% RTP. Technically I may as well be playing slots with a theoretical RTP of 80%. No wonder I'm doing better at my local venue with slots set to a theoretical RTP of 89%.

Yeah I'd stop playing MG it's not worth getting annoyed after every little session and considering depositing more because your session lasted under 10-15 minutes only for the same thing to happen. I can see my wallet thanking me in the very near future. I have a $30 weekly limit at 32 Red (that was $50 but I reduced it even more) the only time I play now is when I'm so bored that I'm actually considering buying coins on the Jackpot Party android app.

What software does Bodog use? I think I may have used up all my good luck at Playtech lol! Anyone know of a good Playtech casino that you can play on tablet or Ipad?

 

[dionysus]

Right and thats why it is not random. If you let run a casino in a random mode, this means tomorrow as for example five people could win BIG because random means everything is possible, and i meaning those five people could win really BIG. Do you know what this means for a OC `?

Huge losses.

If you had a firm would you let your firm run in a random mode

so if you can control a software just by pushing some buttons on the screen wouldn´t you do this?

Isnt it funny that the Netent Jackpot always cracked on Sunday and always the winner is a Scandinavian.

Oh dear, Netent and MG are from Sweden this means the money stays in Wonderland Scandinavia.

you just have no clue do you? software is written, tested and implemented then distributed - casinos (credible) can't just alter it willy-nilly
and yes, people do win big...they lose MORE
slots have an RTP, and over time EVERY player loses - it's built into the software
just because slots have a theoretical return, doesnt not mean they arent random
it's like a dice that only pays on one side if it lands - the die thrown is still random - you just have less chances of hitting - but people can and will hit good runs, while MOST lose

 

[dionysus]

Me either. I've gone three months without a withdrawal on ANY software (probably more like four now). I manage to double or triple my money and then BAM the slots suck it all back and then some! But no other software seems to piss me off as much as MG. I can't even count the amount of times I've been playing Moonshine and won 3 spins on a 1x multiplier on the feature (the lowest you can possibly get). I stopped playing that game because I always got the same feature. That game's very low variance BTW.

I keep seeing other members saying the reason people aren't winning on MG is because of the variance of the games. That the games they are playing are "high variance" slots. Let's say even if people were playing "high variance" slots and continuously losing wouldn't random luck dictate that after a whole year of endless losing you would get a really nice win? Or how about playing really low variance games? They are impossible to win on as well. IMPO variance and randomness has nothing to do with it MG slots are just randomly tight.

Every single MG account I've got has an RTP of below 80% except for a couple (you should consider yourself lucky). One of them being Guts although they have given me so many comps because of my pathetic game play that the customer support agent actually took that into account (the worth) when working out my RTP without comps from memory I think it was something like 68% RTP. Technically I may as well be playing slots with a theoretical RTP of 80%. No wonder I'm doing better at my local venue with slots set to a theoretical RTP of 89%.

Yeah I'd stop playing MG it's not worth getting annoyed after every little session and considering depositing more because your session lasted under 10-15 minutes only for the same thing to happen. I can see my wallet thanking me in the very near future. I have a $30 weekly limit at 32 Red (that was $50 but I reduced it even more) the only time I play now is when I'm so bored that I'm actually considering buying coins on the Jackpot Party android app.

What software does Bodog use? I think I may have used up all my good luck at Playtech lol! Anyone know of a good Playtech casino that you can play on tablet or Ipad?

mark, i only play MG - 9 of the last 12 months, MG has paid my rent, and the last three, decorated my home. My RTP is well over the 100%
Lucky?...sure
I know I'm more likely to lose, but it has nothing to do with MG or any software - it's luck, pure and simple, and in the long run, I'll be down one day, I'm just on a good run
There's plenty of people that bitch MG eats their bankrolls...and netent, and rival, and rtg, and igt, and well, everything
we will all lose over time...but looking at the 1k + screenies? It's MG

Anyone can win no matter where they play. Most of us will lose. It comes down to preference in slots, entertainment value vs potential, service and bonuses

 

[nisosbar]

Me either. I've gone three months without a withdrawal on ANY software (probably more like four now). I manage to double or triple my money and then BAM the slots suck it all back and then some!

In my honest opinion then, you have no cause to be complaining.

At the very point where you were looking at a balance double or triple what you deposited, you were a winning player. That you chose to risk those winnings for even more winnings and lost instead - that is entirely on you, IMO. To characterize the slots as somehow deviously sucking back all those winnings and even more, as if you had no part in it, is really not fair, again IMO.

 

[mrmark21]

In my honest opinion then, you have no cause to be complaining.

At the very point where you were looking at a balance double or triple what you deposited, you were a winning player. That you chose to risk those winnings for even more winnings and lost instead - that is entirely on you, IMO. To characterize the slots as somehow deviously sucking back all those winnings and even more, as if you had no part in it, is really not fair, again IMO.

Do you consider that a big win? My deposits are $10. If you consider $10 a big win or even $20 then I guess your right I shouldn't be complaining

 

[dionysus]

Do you consider that a big win? My deposits are $10. If you consider $10 a big win or even $20 then I guess your right I shouldn't be complaining

well, it really is relative - if I deposit 100 and hit 200, i got a good return. At a bankroll of 100, I'm probably betting 90 cents to 1.20 - at your $10 youre probably betting 30 cents. It's a bit unrealistic to expect 1k wins on thirty cents all but for the rarest occasions.
You need to set your expectations relevant to your bet and bankroll.

 

[mrmark21]

well, it really is relative - if I deposit 100 and hit 200, i got a good return. At a bankroll of 100, I'm probably betting 90 cents to 1.20 - at your $10 youre probably betting 30 cents. It's a bit unrealistic to expect 1k wins on thirty cents all but for the rarest occasions.
You need to set your expectations relevant to your bet and bankroll.

Yeah but I'm not going to deposit that much on MG. Every time I do I go bust under 15-20 minutes. The last time I deposited $100 I went bust literally under 20-30 minutes (the reason I closed all my accounts). I don't expect 1K wins I expect decent play time and yes I do expect to be able to more than triple my deposit on the rare occasion.

I also often take a bonus on the $10 so that's $20 so I bet 60 cents. I don't see any wins of $60 let alone $120 coming my way. I'd still be playing otherwise. So your right I guess it is all relative.

Also I only play low-medium variance slots.

 

[dionysus]

Yeah but I'm not going to deposit that much on MG. Every time I do I go bust under 15-20 minutes. I don't expect 1K wins I expect decent play time and yes I do expect to be able to more than triple my deposit on the rare occasion.

I also often take a bonus on the $10 so that's $20 so I bet 60 cents. I don't see any wins of $60 let alone $120 coming my way. I'd still be playing otherwise. So your right I guess it is all relative. I only play low-medium variance slots as well.

I've pretty much only played high var games last while - IR, TFROL, TS II, BTB, and anything new for kicks..amd I'm a sucker for TDKR, though it's been kind

I used to jump around the board, now I mostly play the same 5-10 games, 10 on the outside

 

[mrmark21]

I've pretty much only played high var games last while - IR, TFROL, TS II, BTB, and anything new for kicks..amd I'm a sucker for TDKR, though it's been kind

I used to jump around the board, now I mostly play the same 5-10 games, 10 on the outside

Yeah. I'm the same or was. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be complaining if my stats weren't shockingly bad. The lowest possible RTP allowed on land based slots in Australia is 85% (from memory) so I think that should say something. I just think that when I'm doing better playing on land based slots set at 87-89% RTP vs online slots that are set to 97% and I still can't catch a winning streak on the rare occasion that something is seriously wrong.

I quit because I stopped having fun playing online. Whenever I see people bashing the buttons in at my local after pumping the machine I always think to myself 'why even bother playing' I mean seriously if they aren't having fun maybe they should stop playing? So that's exactly what I did I quit playing online.

I used to play daily, which became once every second day, then that became once every third day. Then the deposit amount went from $60-$50, then down to $30-20, then shortly after that down to $10 with a bonus. I wasn't always so tight with MG but eventually enough really becomes enough.

I'd mostly play Munchkins, Gold Factory, Ho Ho Ho, Monsters in the closet, Tomb Raider 2, and Hitman. Mostly low-medium variance games.

 

[skiny]

I've pretty much only played high var games last while - IR, TFROL, TS II, BTB, and anything new for kicks..amd I'm a sucker for TDKR, though it's been kind

I used to jump around the board, now I mostly play the same 5-10 games, 10 on the outside

I've tried every game. TS2? I finally got to the last bonus feature after months of game play and the Thor bonus paid 8 dollars. The new Batman game? I lost, not wagered - lost at least 200 dollars in that game before it finally gave me a bonus feature that paid less than 30. I played the 90 min freeroll at 3 different casinos twice a day for a week (20 spins each time.) before I got a bonus feature. I wouldn't mind if I got an hour or two out of a deposit once in a while but most of the time I spend more time in line to load my credit card than I spend playing when I get home.

I don't expect big hits when I'm betting 20 cents per spin. I'm just trying to make 50 dollars last long enough for my coffee to cool down enough to drink. And when you mention the word bonus they act like you're a beggar on the street when other casinos I've played at offer cash back on all your deposits and happily toss you a few bucks if you consistently go broke 15 minutes after you deposit.

I don't know what kind of math these people use when they tell me my lifetime RTP but 200 times -80% doesn't equal 95%. I expect to lose when I deposit but some casinos just don't deserve my money.

 

[asadzareef89]

I've pretty much only played high var games last while - IR, TFROL, TS II, BTB, and anything new for kicks..amd I'm a sucker for TDKR, though it's been kind

dionysus i play these games aswell at 4-5 different casinos but the problem with me is on TSII, i cant manage to unlock the second feature on any of the casinos, have gone thousands of spins, the rest of them i have unlocked all features on pretty much everywhere, my aavg bet is 0.60 but if i'm very up n need to finish WR i'd bet 0.9-1.2

So have u managed to unlock all spins feature on TSII?

 

[mrmark21]

dionysus i play these games aswell at 4-5 different casinos but the problem with me is on TSII, i cant manage to unlock the second feature on any of the casinos, have gone thousands of spins, the rest of them i have unlocked all features on pretty much everywhere, my aavg bet is 0.60 but if i'm very up n need to finish WR i'd bet 0.9-1.2

So have u managed to unlock all spins feature on TSII?

I finished unlocking all the features on IR first. I've got a RTP at 32 Red of 110% on IR so it's one of the games that have actually given me some play time...

But until this day I still haven't gotten past the second feature on TS2 at ANY casino. So I can relate. I only recently unlocked the second feature at 32 Red because I started devoting all my deposits to unlocking all the features. Something to keep me entertained for a bit. Beats paying to play coins on the Jackpot Party android app.

BTW and IMO the second feature on TS2 is terrible it's basically the same as the last feature on IR.

 

[asadzareef89]

I finished unlocking all the features on IR first. I've got a RTP at 32 Red of 110% on IR so it's one of the games that have actually given me some play time...

But until this day I still haven't gotten past the second feature on TS2 at ANY casino. So I can relate. I only recently unlocked the second feature at 32 Red because I started devoting all my deposits to unlocking all the features. Something to keep me entertained for a bit. Beats playing coins on the Jackpot Party android app

BTW and IMO the second feature on TS2 is a pile of crap it's basically the same as the last feature on IR.

Yeah i'll say the last feature on IR is definitely the worse, the best is last feature on playboy as if it pays it'd pay around 300-400x bet every time but its hard to unlock them everywhere

I have gone 100 bonus round features on last IR feature and the best i'ave won is 20x bet as the wild vine never falls when u need it and when it falls gives wilds on 5th line making no combination

I'd say best games are Playboy and The finer Reels of life and also can't forget Santa's wild ride

I'd give u a little suggestion, if u try to give online gaming another try, don't play ur regular games and change them a bit as i found out at Betway and 32red, so many lost deposits though give a different game a try and had 3 excellent wins within 12 spins and got my deposit of 20 upto 900 and then withdrew, All my good wins came on TFRL as i had never played that on 32red before, My first feature payed 550x bet and second one 520x bet.

And then playboy retriggered the feature 3 times and won around 120x bet

I only used to play IR, TSII and TDKR on these 2 casinos

Plus believe it or not i had an excellent win of 350x bet on TDKR at spin palace aswell, its very hard and rare to have a win on this game, normally on feature i get 40 dead spins but this time i had 52 spins @5 multiplier and had 37 dead spins then 4 good wins so mulitplier x5 took the win to my total bet 350x plus

Last week i deposited around 200 at different casinos and won around 2000 so luck can change anytime lol and i'm a small depositor like u as i never exceed 30 pounds limit and always look for one with bonus offer

 

[mrmark21]

Yeah i'll say the last feature on IR is definitely the worse, the best is last feature on playboy as if it pays it'd pay around 300-400x bet every time but its hard to unlock them everywhere

I have gone 100 bonus round features on last IR feature and the best i'ave won is 20x bet as the wild vine never falls when u need it and when it falls gives wilds on 5th line making no combination

I'd say best games are Playboy and The finer Reels of life and also can't forget Santa's wild ride

I'd give u a little suggestion, if u try to give online gaming another try, don't play ur regular games and change them a bit as i found out at Betway and 32red, so many lost deposits though give a different game a try and had 3 excellent wins within 12 spins and got my deposit of 20 upto 900 and then withdrew, All my good wins came on TFRL as i had never played that on 32red before, My first feature payed 550x bet and second one 520x bet.

And then playboy retriggered the feature 3 times and won around 120x bet

I only used to play IR, TSII and TDKR on these 2 casinos

Plus believe it or not i had an excellent win of 350x bet on TDKR at spin palace aswell, its very hard and rare to have a win on this game, normally on feature i get 40 dead spins but this time i had 52 spins @5 multiplier and had 37 dead spins then 4 good wins so mulitplier x5 took the win to my total bet 350x plus

Last week i deposited around 200 at different casinos and won around 2000 so luck can change anytime lol and i'm a small depositor like u as i never exceed 30 pounds limit and always look for one with bonus offer

Yeah it's pretty terrible... "Please land there, please land there, please land there... You landed there out of all spots lol"?!

I actually don't mind Santas Wild Ride. I've never won anything on that game but money has always seemed to last. I'll settle for some decent playing time. I'm not a fan of Playboy funny how some people can have all the luck on some games while other people can have none. Such is the nature of random luck.

I've tried switching my regular games. I had been considering closing my accounts for a while before I finally closed them. I had been experimenting with different games, different bets, different lines, etc. But nothing seemed to work. Closing my accounts was kind of like the last straw for me. I had tried everything but was far to much effort. When I go to my local I just chuck a fifty in about five different machines and play (generally with a couple of drinks). But I had such a hard time getting any play time online it became more like work.

I do still have my 32 Red account open. I have a $30 limit on that per week. I can get about three different session in that way. I'll tell you what I'll try TFROL within the next couple of days on 30cent bets. Why not? Probably won't win anything but a bit of a change I'll report back here with any progress (hopefully a few winning screenies as well).

Sounds like you experienced one of the infamous MG winnings streaks. I havent had one since forever. I'd love a good $2000 winning streak. But even some play time will do me fine.

 

[gagamel]

Right and thats why it is not random. If you let run a casino in a random mode, this means tomorrow as for example five people could win BIG because random means everything is possible, and i meaning those five people could win really BIG. Do you know what this means for a OC `?

Huge losses.

If you had a firm would you let your firm run in a random mode

so if you can control a software just by pushing some buttons on the screen wouldn´t you do this?

Isnt it funny that the Netent Jackpot always cracked on Sunday and always the winner is a Scandinavian.

Oh dear, Netent and MG are from Sweden this means the money stays in Wonderland Scandinavia.

If I would have a firm and the idea of the business is to have a casino with a 5% win in a long term I will let it run random, because I will win. Not today, not tomorrow, but in a long term I will win.
If I play roulette red and black, my chance of winning with black is 50%without 0 , to win again my chance to win again is smaller, to win again my chance is smaller and so on. But that`s only before I make my first spin. After my spin the chance is 50% for each spin. Because it`s random. So it is the same for each spin on a slot. You can win big but in long term you will lose. I don`t know how much variations on a slot exists. Maybe 100000 or millions. Some variations bring you a lot of money, some less money and most nothing. In my opinion it`s a mix of all these and if you are lucky you hit some good variations a slot can give and you win. But you have no guaranty to win.
Play to have a good time and if you don`t have a good time stop it.

 

[asadzareef89]

Yeah it's pretty terrible... "Please land there, please land there, please land there... You landed there out of all spots lol"?!

I actually don't mind Santas Wild Ride. I've never won anything on that game but money has always seemed to last. I'll settle for some decent playing time. I'm not a fan of Playboy funny how some people can have all the luck on some games while other people can have none. Such is the nature of random luck.

I've tried switching my regular games. I had been considering closing my accounts for a while before I finally closed them. I had been experimenting with different games, different bets, different lines, etc. But nothing seemed to work. Closing my accounts was kind of like the last straw for me. I had tried everything but was far to much effort. When I go to my local I just chuck a fifty in about five different machines and play (generally with a couple of drinks). But I had such a hard time getting any play time online it became more like work.

I do still have my 32 Red account open. I have a $30 limit on that per week. I can get about three different session in that way. I'll tell you what I'll try TFROL within the next couple of days on 30cent bets. Why not? Probably won't win anything but a bit of a change I'll report back here with any progress (hopefully a few winning screenies as well).

Sounds like you experienced one of the infamous MG winnings streaks. I havent had one since forever. I'd love a good $2000 winning streak. But even some play time will do me fine.

I'd agree with u as much that MG can be brutal, just few minutes ago played at Betway, and hit the bonus round on every single game i-e IR, TSII, TS, Agent JB, Playboy, TFROL and TDKR and the best win on thes on .90p bet was 8 quid.

Had about 15 bonus rounds on above games in total and almost all were dead spins with best win 6 quid on 1 spin and thats it

Betway has been quite shit for me so might not go back there a while

I'll tell you though that don't close ur accounts as every now and then they send u a freebie if u have an active account and u never know someone won 1500 on 10quid free couple of weeks back(On this forum but dont remember the name)

The thing is there isn't many land based casinos near my house so i tend to play online as i have to drive like 45 mins to get there and thats the thing i hate after hard day of work i wanna sit n relax so maybe i'll try next weekend as there is a Grosvenor in Blackpool and i'm going there so might be worth a few spins

Good luck though to u seems like u'ave had a horrid luck

 

[skiny]

My Bodog withdrawal submitted on Saturday afternoon was received on my CC sometime while I was at work on Tuesday.

That's fast enough for me.