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Multihanded Blackjack

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by theslotsking, Apr 19, 2016.

    Apr 19, 2016
  1. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    An experience a while back has me perplexed.

    A few months back I was playing Blackjack Multihand at Superlenny
    I bet $100 on all 3 hands. Pressed deal. Cards appeared. Two of the hands were 20 and the third hand was 11. Dealer had 5. Before I clicked any button the laptop crashed. I restarted and loaded blackjack back up. The hand was gone and the money was gone from my account. I went onto live chat. They looked up my game history and advised that the game had run its course and I had lost all three hands. I was advised then that the actual result is predetermined. If thats the case then Blackjack has no skill element and is nothing more than a slot machine. Can someone advise if this is the case for all blackjack games or just netent blackjack games.

    Thanks
     
  2. Apr 19, 2016
  3. lnspin

    lnspin Senior Member webmeister

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    As soon as you press deal the cards that are going to come out that hand are predetermined..

    BJ is only considered skill, if you count cards, and playing online the deck or decks are shuffled every hand so you can never actually count cards.
     
  4. Apr 19, 2016
  5. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Well, there's still a slight element of skill. Example, you wouldn't hit on a 20 against a 9...you could still tank your own winning hands. You need to know a a basic grasp of the game aside from clicking deal.
     
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  7. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    Its not so much skill but choice. But if the entire outcome is predeterminded as soon as you press deal it doesnt really matter whether you stay or hit.
     
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  9. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Perhaps the rep was referring to the lay of cards.
    Of course hitting effects the outcome - you could bust your every hand and never win.
     
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  11. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    From what I was told by the rep I believe the actual final result is determined ie win or lose when you press deal.
    So if you were going to win and hit on 20 then the next card would be a ace. It explains how all I did was press deal and I lost all three hands. The final result was already determinded and no matter whether I pressed hit, stand or double I still would have lost.
     
  12. Apr 19, 2016
  13. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    or the dealer hit 21 and the hand played out
     
  14. Apr 19, 2016
  15. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    check the game logs or ask the casino to provide them for you
     
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  17. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    Nah I figured the dealer hit 21. I have no issue with that. My issue is that there is a perception that you have a choice with blackjack and your ods of winning and losing a hand are based on which decision you make ie if you stand or hit and each time you hit or stand your ods will alter accordingly. The reality of course is the complete opposite.
     
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  19. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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  21. quber

    quber Senior Member

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    The result is not pre-determined, the cards are shuffled at the beginning of each deal , at that point your choices affect the outcome.

    Netent would not risk making a rigged game, and why would they? the odds are already in their favour and they have a lot more to lose than gain by not playing fair.
     
  22. Apr 19, 2016
  23. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    Where did I say the games are rigged? What I said is the result is predetermined. It is determined if I win or lose when I press deal.

    This has been confirmed by the staff at the online casino I played at. I tend to believe what the casino staff have advised.

    Regardless of that online blackjack is essentially just a double up. I now play either live blackjack or at a casino itself. The variances in netent/microgaming blackjack can be very extreme.
     
  24. Apr 19, 2016
  25. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I find this story unbelievable! (Not what you are saying, but what the casino said)
    In my opinion, for Blackjack: Predetermined = Rigged. :mad:

    Was it actually a NetEnt Blackjack that you were playing?
    (They may have versions by different software providers).

    KK
     
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  27. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    KK it has been been the same many good blackjack players have stated the same thing , its like running slot (
     
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  29. theslotsking

    theslotsking Experienced Member

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    Hi.

    As I said earlier I always thought every decision altered the ods ie whether I stand, hit etc. However it did not sit right when I was told the game had played out when I had just pressed deal. I demanded to know from the csr why I had lost when I had only pressed deal and they finally came out and advised me the game had played out and determined I had lost and that the end result is predetermined.

    I dont believe this means it is rigged. All it means its like pokies with a rng.

    I must apologise though as I went and double checked specific's and the game in question is playngo multihanded blackjack.

    Now I'm not pointing fingers.. its more I am curious if the rep is correct as I have spent a truck load of cash on blackjack and it would be disappointing if what she said is correct.
     
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  31. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    ping RNG ,win , lose , preset up . doesn't mean its rigged means the outcome has been sent already no difference from slots.
     
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  33. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    This part is spot on! - Excluding live dealer, all table games are programmed very similar to slots, they have a planned TRTP and are not the same as playing in a B&M Casino or Live Dealer games (although I also have my doubts over those sometimes :rolleyes:)

    Roulette for example, if it has paid out for days running and its time to hit the 'Cold Part' of its program, you could back 90% of the numbers and you'd still lose, Just like playing slots, scatters galore one day, nothing for days after.

    Random, rigged, pre-determined, fixed, gimped, all get so easily muddled and thrown into these posts but these games defo above board and legit! (Well at the genuine/accredited sites anyway!)
     
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  35. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    I did pm Erik yesterday btw, flagging him to the thread for clarification so hopefully he can add some.
     
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  37. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    I disagree completely - it's nothing like slots.
    With slots, yes, you hit "spin" and the final outcome may be predetermined in most cases (I personally don't believe this applies to ALL slots - but that's a different issue)

    But with Blackjack the player has to act - there is no way the software can know in advance whether he will hit, double, split or stand.

    Waiting to hear more from the OP about what the casino says, because so far IMHO this is total nonsense!

    KK
     
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  39. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

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    Actually, all games, B&M or i-gaming, are "rigged" in the sense that the house always has the edge. JMO


    But I would love to hear the answer to this one:

    Now I'm not pointing fingers.. its more I am curious if the rep is correct as I have spent a truck load of cash on blackjack and it would be disappointing if what she said is correct.[/QUOTE]

    I can hear the back-pedaling now....:rolleyes:


    In my experience with RTG, which is the only software available to me here in Ohio, when I'm winning, it's a fair game. When I'm losing it's rigged :p

    If there was wide-spread "rigging" (or wtf-ever you wanna call it) in i-gaming, I'm certain that there are disgruntled ex-employees, programmers, cr's etc. that would have blown the whistle by now, true or not, out of spite. ( I have searched and not found a peep :D)

    All that being said, a BJ player has considerable control over the outcome of a playing session: The player can vary the size of bets at will.
     

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