Mr Cashback (Playtech)

[carouk]

Hi

Some advice please. By way of background, I have been playing this game at William Hill and Paddy Power for the last 8 months. I am a low stake player so play the 15 lines @ 1p per line.This particular game suits my low risk criteria as if a line doesn't win 50 times in a row you receive 50x the line bet back .In addition I set aside a max of £5.00 per day to play which minimises my risk but allows me to play for longer -if I reach a profit of over £10 in a playing session I stop. For the last 6 months, on that level of daily spend, I made circa £100/£150 per month, primarily due to the games regular payouts on '5 in a row' which come up frequently (with my stake that ranges from £.50 to £8.00) and the bonus feature which is 12 free spins (x2)with floating wilds which comes up pretty infrequently, perhaps every 3/4 sessions but with bonus winnings ranging on average from £10 to £50.

From about mid December to date though the bonus winnings have dropped like a brick, now averaging about £1.50 per bonus, tonight I had 2 x FS which totalled (drum roll!!) £2.90, this happens at both Hills and Paddys. Is this just a normal occurrence or can slots tend to have peaks and troughs where the amount of bonus is concerned. I'm not quite sure how the Casino part of their websites work, are they operated by the bookmakers or by the games provider Playtech? Would I be able to contact them with my concerns or would I get short shrift.

I haven't been playing slots for long (I primarily match bet and trade on Betfair) but up till now, it has made a nice contribution to my monthly profits making up about 25% of my earnings. Please feel free to call me an idiot but the fairly sharp downturn is noticeable , especially as it is happening at both Hills and Paddys. I really like this slot, but I'm going to have to knock it on the head if it continues to be a loss maker.

Any advice would be appreciated and thanks for reading through the waffle

Carolyn

Hope I've posted in the correct place please move if so -didn't want to put it in the complaints as it isn't one really.

 

[mrmark21]

Good questions, I play this game as well and would be interested to know the answers

BTW at least you get the feature

 

[Nate]

No slot can guarantee you a long term profit. There are peaks and lows on all of them.

You're lucky that the feature didnt pay 0

Nate

 

[mrmark21]

No slot can guarantee you a long term profit. There are peaks and lows on all of them.

You're lucky that the feature didnt pay 0

Nate

"Is this just a normal occurrence or can slots tend to have peaks and troughs where the amount of bonus is concerned."

I think what the op is getting at are the bonus rounds programmed to compensate for past bonus wins? Like pub poker machines. Maybe the op had to many good wins

 

[dionysus]

Mr Cashback is a random slot ie each spin is independent of the previous

 

[dunover]

Your long term RTP will be about 95%. Depending on the variance of the casino/software if you are significantly ahead (which by your own volition of making 100-150 per month on tiny deposits you are) then over time you will see a levelling. You are experiencing this. Imagine a straight horizontal line which = 95% RTP. Over this line imagine an undulating shallow wave which has peaks and troughs. Say the peaks = 115% RTP and the troughs =85% RTP - this is the variance which you are experiencing. On some slots imagine that wave over your 95% RTP line dropping down and up hugely, say to 10% when under the RTP line and 180% when above it. That would be a high variance slot like BDBA.
You cannot win all the time long term on any random slot. It will level. You will see this the longer you play, as it will near its RTP more by then.
Imagine a pot of balls, with say 100,000 values in. These balls cost £1 a pick (spin). Their value totals 95,000 when all picked (95% RTP).
You pick the first 5,000 balls (spending 5,000 pounds) and their values total 6,500 pounds. You are up 1500 pounds and have a temporary RTP of 130%.
Carry on and you may have 20,000 pounds after spending 10,000, a RTP of 200%.
OR after carrying on you may only have increased your 6500 to 8000 after your 10,000 spins. This means your RTP has dropped to 80% and you have only won 1500 from your last 5000 staked.
This is basically how the slots work. Expect this. All the while. It's called gambling, and it's absolutely normal.

 

[mrmark21]

Your long term RTP will be about 95%. Depending on the variance of the casino/software if you are significantly ahead (which by your own volition of making 100-150 per month on tiny deposits you are) then over time you will see a levelling. You are experiencing this. Imagine a straight horizontal line which = 95% RTP. Over this line imagine an undulating shallow wave which has peaks and troughs. Say the peaks = 115% RTP and the troughs =85% RTP - this is the variance which you are experiencing. On some slots imagine that wave over your 95% RTP line dropping down and up hugely, say to 10% when under the RTP line and 180% when above it. That would be a high variance slot like BDBA.
You cannot win all the time long term on any random slot. It will level. You will see this the longer you play, as it will near its RTP more by then.
Imagine a pot of balls, with say 100,000 values in. These balls cost £1 a pick (spin). Their value totals 95,000 when all picked (95% RTP).
You pick the first 5,000 balls (spending 5,000 pounds) and their values total 6,500 pounds. You are up 1500 pounds and have a temporary RTP of 130%.
Carry on and you may have 20,000 pounds after spending 10,000, a RTP of 200%.
OR after carrying on you may only have increased your 6500 to 8000 after your 10,000 spins. This means your RTP has dropped to 80% and you have only won 1500 from your last 5000 staked.
This is basically how the slots work. Expect this. All the while. It's called gambling, and it's absolutely normal.

I know that each spin is independent in the base game however weren't you talking on another thread about how you believe that some slots bonus rounds (Microgaming) draw from a different basket/pool of outcomes? Since that could be the case, could there be a different pool of outcomes dependent on what the result was for the previous bonus rounds?

I just keep hearing conflicting opinions and I for one am quite confused are these bonus rounds random or not?

 

[dunover]

I know that each spin is independent in the base game however weren't you talking on another thread about how you believe that some slots (Microgaming) draw from a different basket/pool of outcomes? Since that could be the case, could there be a different pool of outcomes dependent on what the result was for the previous bonus rounds?

I just keep hearing conflicting opinions and I for one am quite confused are these bonus rounds random or not?

Yes, i did, and it still ties in with what I said you have quoted above. If a different pool is used for any feature (let's call it a 'sub-pool') then this will be caluculated into the overall RTP and make no difference long-term. It could just mean a temporary effect as regards a feature or bonus round.

 

[carouk]

Thanks for the replies, paying the price for my early success. I do understand RTPs (should do I have a maths degree !!)but may I ask (Dunover )where you found the exact RTP for this slot as I don't seem to have seen this (or other Playtechs RTP stats) detailed anywhere. My style of playing is a little different to others I would suspect, in that I have a strict loss cap of £5.00 together with a stop at £10 or more gain, this is why, I believe I may have been slightly more profitable than the norm.Now I have the RTP stats I will throw a few figures into Excel and see what happens !

Looks like I'll be going back to trading women's tennis to make an honest shilling , you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy sometimes. In the meantime,can anyone recommend any other low stake/low variance slots as I've rather enjoyed my dalliance with them

Thanks again

Carolyn

 

[Nate]

Easter Surprise is similar to Mr. Cashback

Nate

 

[dunover]

Thanks for the replies, paying the price for my early success. I do understand RTPs (should do I have a maths degree !!)but may I ask (Dunover )where you found the exact RTP for this slot as I don't seem to have seen this (or other Playtechs RTP stats) detailed anywhere. My style of playing is a little different to others I would suspect, in that I have a strict loss cap of £5.00 together with a stop at £10 or more gain, this is why, I believe I may have been slightly more profitable than the norm.Now I have the RTP stats I will throw a few figures into Excel and see what happens !

Looks like I'll be going back to trading women's tennis to make an honest shilling , you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy sometimes. In the meantime,can anyone recommend any other low stake/low variance slots as I've rather enjoyed my dalliance with them

Thanks again

Carolyn

I didn't find the exact RTP - this is what most slots are though, on average. Some with progressives are lower, say 92-94 and some are higher 97-98. Some casinos have the RTP's listed for all games. others will tell you on request. You can also request your overall RTP since you joined the casino from CS. This is usually easy on MG casinos, Playtech I don't know as I avoid them. If you are in net profit, and only you really know, then you have thus far enjoyed a RTP in excess of 100%. Maybe now's the time to quit and find another casino offering the same game.

 

[Simmo!]

I didn't find the exact RTP

95.46% (date acquired: May 2012)