Money train2, Volatile vikings, Evil Goblins, Fire in the Hole Pirates Plenty Megaways

degerardo

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Sep 13, 2021
Hello guys.

I just want to give my playing experience on a few games/providers that I was making some stats on them and investigating how they behave/works.
I will put a few, the most recent ones I am playing the most and spent on bonus for each 300x buys and no bonus buys.
Money train 2
- 300x bonus buy on stake 0.30, 0.50 and 1 Euro - I have tried different ones and on stake 0.5 on 22nd bonus buy I've got presistent sniper and 10877x bet.
More like 50x bonus buys from those 300, I've got the 100-130x bet back. Then like 25x I've got like 16x bet back and a 16x I've got between 400 and 800x bet back.
So as overall not so bad for this slot. Funny thing is, that all happened on 0.3 and 0.5 Euro bets, not on bet 1Euro.
Fire in the hole
- 300 bonus buys from base one to the most expensive one on bets from 0.2 to 1Euro.
Only once I've got 887x bet on most pricy bonus buy. The rest was average from 39x bet to 80x bet. So overall pretty baaaad!
Little note - I have run 5000spins on bet 0.6 and never got more than 3.scatters - never 4.scatters of 5.scatters and that's true, really.
Evil Goblins
- 300 bonus buys from bet 0.2 to bet 1Euro, from smallest to the biggest buy. Two times I have had a hit on 3.skull wilds and both were kind of same 850x bet.
Rest was average from 20x bet to 40x bet.
Volatile Vikings
- 300 bonus buys on bets 0.3 to 1Euro. I've got four times 200 to 225x bet"wilds" 12x I've got 100xbet"wild" and so quite many times I've got his for over 5000x bet on free spins. But this was coming like in seasons. 15x bonus buy nothing from really 0 win to 2Euros, 6Euros wins and then boom, hit.. and then again, or change of season to keep like 7x same to be on getting money back from bonus buy and like in the circle.
Pirates Plenty Megaways
- I have had played on bets from 1Euro to 20Euros and many many spins. Here I can say that before unlocking the top row, the free spins were amazing (biggest was 4667x bet on bet 4Euros) But then once you unlock it, in like 2000x free spins I have never had single one over 1000x bet. But on base game I have had two wild women next to each other many many times and that was 8 out of 10 - 1000 to 2000x bet. So pretty solid and sometimes I have had it withing 3, 4 mins apart again.
But dont expect on unlocked top row free spins to get high.. there is fun and only option to get two wild women and that really can happen any time and my best was deposit 42 Euros, went to bet 4 and on 4th spin boom two woman - 7760Euros. -- that was the biggest luck I have had.

What's you experiences guys?
 

bamberfishcake

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No experience with Bonus Buys as from the UK.

Interesting point about Fire in the Hole and 5000 spins with no four or five scatters. It's generally believed (by some) that four or five scatter triggers are reserved for Bonus Buys on Nolimit City slots - which raises a few eyebrows and questions over the RTP and how they are tested and marketed.

If I could Bonus Buy, the ones that's spring to mind would be White Rabbit, DOA2 and a few Hacksaw Gaming slots, the latter have Bonus Buys at 129x stake and my personal experience of their bonuses have been fruitful. I've also had 5 scatter triggers on Hacksaw and seen many on DOA and DOA2, so there is reassurance for me that they are achievable from standard play.

I doubt I would Bonus Buy much because the risk is too scary for me. Maybe a little tickle on my birthday or if I'm flush :)

p.s. I should add that before I would use any Bonus Buy on Hacksaw Gaming I would check the RTP versions - their slots are now offered in four different RTP models, the lowest is around 88/89%.
 
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degerardo

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Yup, for Fire in the Hole - I have had alot alot of 3.scatters but never got single one where it will land four or five. I think it is set as for bonus buys only. And/but the a it weird thing is, for the 5.scatters - from 30+ bonus buys (maybe 35, 40max I've took) was only 6x where I did land dynamite to open the collection column. Never had more than 3 of them tho. So I think 4.scatters and 5.scatters can be easily be landing in game as well as how hard it is to get them.
Yead DOA2 - I've got also on my list - I didn't mention it I forgot. I did 150 bonus buys, and have had full wilds row twice (I had more time, but winning lines) and max was 6488x bet on 0.45Euro. so pretty decent. Also game that you can actually play - to me similar in luck as MT2 :)
But somehow I am surprised on Pirates PLenty Megaways - that even tho I have never pass 1k on free spins only in ulocked mode (no unlcked mode I had very good wins and multiple retriggers spins) I've got many times two wild women next to each other with 8 out of 10 passing 1000x bet.

Not sure ho those people can get so quickly max cap wins on Fire in the Hole, Evil Goblins or such as Mental.. but as per statistics RTP, it looks that it might takes longer in run - spent like 10k and get win of 9 or something. But in MK2 or other I ahve mention it much better in possibility of surprise to get huge win for even smaller loosing.
 

justdoit

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Nov 22, 2021
Hello guys.

I just want to give my playing experience on a few games/providers that I was making some stats on them and investigating how they behave/works.
I will put a few, the most recent ones I am playing the most and spent on bonus for each 300x buys and no bonus buys.
Money train 2
- 300x bonus buy on stake 0.30, 0.50 and 1 Euro - I have tried different ones and on stake 0.5 on 22nd bonus buy I've got presistent sniper and 10877x bet.
More like 50x bonus buys from those 300, I've got the 100-130x bet back. Then like 25x I've got like 16x bet back and a 16x I've got between 400 and 800x bet back.
So as overall not so bad for this slot. Funny thing is, that all happened on 0.3 and 0.5 Euro bets, not on bet 1Euro.
Fire in the hole
- 300 bonus buys from base one to the most expensive one on bets from 0.2 to 1Euro.
Only once I've got 887x bet on most pricy bonus buy. The rest was average from 39x bet to 80x bet. So overall pretty baaaad!
Little note - I have run 5000spins on bet 0.6 and never got more than 3.scatters - never 4.scatters of 5.scatters and that's true, really.
Evil Goblins
- 300 bonus buys from bet 0.2 to bet 1Euro, from smallest to the biggest buy. Two times I have had a hit on 3.skull wilds and both were kind of same 850x bet.
Rest was average from 20x bet to 40x bet.
Volatile Vikings
- 300 bonus buys on bets 0.3 to 1Euro. I've got four times 200 to 225x bet"wilds" 12x I've got 100xbet"wild" and so quite many times I've got his for over 5000x bet on free spins. But this was coming like in seasons. 15x bonus buy nothing from really 0 win to 2Euros, 6Euros wins and then boom, hit.. and then again, or change of season to keep like 7x same to be on getting money back from bonus buy and like in the circle.
Pirates Plenty Megaways
- I have had played on bets from 1Euro to 20Euros and many many spins. Here I can say that before unlocking the top row, the free spins were amazing (biggest was 4667x bet on bet 4Euros) But then once you unlock it, in like 2000x free spins I have never had single one over 1000x bet. But on base game I have had two wild women next to each other many many times and that was 8 out of 10 - 1000 to 2000x bet. So pretty solid and sometimes I have had it withing 3, 4 mins apart again.
But dont expect on unlocked top row free spins to get high.. there is fun and only option to get two wild women and that really can happen any time and my best was deposit 42 Euros, went to bet 4 and on 4th spin boom two woman - 7760Euros. -- that was the biggest luck I have had.

What's you experiences guys?
relax slots drop max win 1/8000 you need to buy 8000 bonus to get max win I am sure nolimt has the same setup
 

degerardo

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Where did you get this number Justdoit ? that it is 1/8000 bonuses to hit max win? By math from RTP?
Also, how does it works with the online casinos, providers and games at all?
I mean, lets say I am playing MT2 on casino X... I will spend on it 2.days, 30000 spins, bonuses etc. Then I will hit MAX win 1/8000 right..? Then this slot at this casino from this provider will be like "mine" that it is getting into consideration MY play or EVERYONES ELSES play in the world?
Or it will be like "mine machine I am playin, like it is counting my spins, spends-wins..? Or everyone else who is playing the game at the same time?

Just thinking about the chances to get big hit - how it works. Because you can be unlucky forever and never hit 1000x of bet even depositing and playing for 10.years same game.. Or you can win 1000x MAX win and never loose.. No idea how it works, so I am asking you guys :) :D
 

justdoit

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Nov 22, 2021
Where did you get this number Justdoit ? that it is 1/8000 bonuses to hit max win? By math from RTP?
Also, how does it works with the online casinos, providers and games at all?
I mean, lets say I am playing MT2 on casino X... I will spend on it 2.days, 30000 spins, bonuses etc. Then I will hit MAX win 1/8000 right..? Then this slot at this casino from this provider will be like "mine" that it is getting into consideration MY play or EVERYONES ELSES play in the world?
Or it will be like "mine machine I am playin, like it is counting my spins, spends-wins..? Or everyone else who is playing the game at the same time?

Just thinking about the chances to get big hit - how it works. Because you can be unlucky forever and never hit 1000x of bet even depositing and playing for 10.years same game.. Or you can win 1000x MAX win and never loose.. No idea how it works, so I am asking you guys :) :D
not long ago kim (letsgivespin) Gf works for relax she sad money train max win drops 1/8000 bonus you check his stream 3-4 weeks back you find it
wow you play for only 10 years lol
 

degerardo

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yeah 10.y but never really investigate on background of the slots and I thought it is time to do it :)
I had very good wins, some baaaad loses but overall I am not so much down as I am really careful of wins. But anyway, I am trying to dig more behind the iron curtain of the slots and how they works.
So any findings, 2nd hand infos from ex-employees or current ones, anonymous, or just research, will be good to share :)
 

justdoit

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Nov 22, 2021
yeah 10.y but never really investigate on background of the slots and I thought it is time to do it :)
I had very good wins, some baaaad loses but overall I am not so much down as I am really careful of wins. But anyway, I am trying to dig more behind the iron curtain of the slots and how they works.
So any findings, 2nd hand infos from ex-employees or current ones, anonymous, or just research, will be good to share :)
good luck
I play over 20 years now, to me all slots are about lucky spin or lucky bonus, some slots give fair spins for your money some don't, but end of the day is all about that lucky bonus
 

nssBoB

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Aug 19, 2021
super bonuses reserved for bonus buys is truly a myth only, since i play no limit city slots almost exclusively i had plenty of natural 5 scatter triggers (or super triggers if its not done by scatters alone) - 2x on infectious V, 7 on mental, 1 on bushido ways, 1 on deadwood, 0 on san quentin (plenty of 4 scatters there though). fun fact - my biggest win so far is 3 of a kind on mental base game for 6000x (500x old lady - 15xold lady - old lady)
 
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degerardo

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nssBoB

- you are so so so so so so so lucky man! And congrats! I am also playing NLC slots on low stakes as for the background to give it a try, but my huge, big winnings comes from Relax, Red Tiger or NetEnt - like yesterday I've had on Piggy Riches Megaways 4x bonus and 4x over 500x in about 2h play on bet 2Euros.
Anyway, saying, that you are super lucky, because now I am somewhere in between 24.000 - 26.000 spins on Fire in he Hole and never had 4.scatters nor 5 of them :D to me it looks like it's set to, when you hit superbonus - its guarantee of max win.. I know, it's not like that, but the frequency of it - makes it looking like that.
I had like 3x the middle bonus on Mental in like same 20.000 spins. Did you land supebonus from base game or got upgrade? But it comes as for winnings same as 3.bonuses only. So no difference from it. That's why I am very very suspicious of it tho.
I had on San quentin 4.bonuses also like 4, or 5x in two weeks play run, that was better but I am also wondering if you can land 5th one in bonus play from 4.bonuses? Or landing two rows of xways+xways - row of wilds? Have you seen anything like that?
 

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nssBoB

- you are so so so so so so so lucky man! And congrats! I am also playing NLC slots on low stakes as for the background to give it a try, but my huge, big winnings comes from Relax, Red Tiger or NetEnt - like yesterday I've had on Piggy Riches Megaways 4x bonus and 4x over 500x in about 2h play on bet 2Euros.
Anyway, saying, that you are super lucky, because now I am somewhere in between 24.000 - 26.000 spins on Fire in he Hole and never had 4.scatters nor 5 of them :D to me it looks like it's set to, when you hit superbonus - its guarantee of max win.. I know, it's not like that, but the frequency of it - makes it looking like that.
I had like 3x the middle bonus on Mental in like same 20.000 spins. Did you land supebonus from base game or got upgrade? But it comes as for winnings same as 3.bonuses only. So no difference from it. That's why I am very very suspicious of it tho.
I had on San quentin 4.bonuses also like 4, or 5x in two weeks play run, that was better but I am also wondering if you can land 5th one in bonus play from 4.bonuses? Or landing two rows of xways+xways - row of wilds? Have you seen anything like that?
4 scatters are possible on Fire in the hole without wasting money and buying a bonus and I think I've had 3 or 4 instances getting 4 scatters to land and I don't play the slot frequently and the $72 won in the replay video is my biggest win on this slot at the only casino left that I can still waste my cash on NLC games so I hope this evidence shows you miracles can happen

 

degerardo

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Yeah, that's what I am saying - that they set their bonuses RATIO landing, or special bonuses RATIO landing, like, if you get 4.scatters it's like you get MAX win instantly - which is BS right? Frequency should be lower than normal bonuses, but it's crazy - that if you-like you did, land 4.scatters - you got pretty shitty win - compare how rare they are to get.. right? I mean, I have never had 4.scatters in over 20.000 spins and that's on Slots Million - so it's not like RTP is lower or anything, it's just a bit of lie from NLC - how often you should land some. I am playing now some more and I am on like 25.000 spins and no 4.scatters.
Good point above - San Quentin - proof of it is for bonus buy's ONLY. And they should state it somewhere in their menu list right?
 

nssBoB

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Yeah, that's what I am saying - that they set their bonuses RATIO landing, or special bonuses RATIO landing, like, if you get 4.scatters it's like you get MAX win instantly - which is BS right? Frequency should be lower than normal bonuses, but it's crazy - that if you-like you did, land 4.scatters - you got pretty shitty win - compare how rare they are to get.. right? I mean, I have never had 4.scatters in over 20.000 spins and that's on Slots Million - so it's not like RTP is lower or anything, it's just a bit of lie from NLC - how often you should land some. I am playing now some more and I am on like 25.000 spins and no 4.scatters.
Good point above - San Quentin - proof of it is for bonus buy's ONLY. And they should state it somewhere in their menu list right?

nssBoB

- you are so so so so so so so lucky man! And congrats! I am also playing NLC slots on low stakes as for the background to give it a try, but my huge, big winnings comes from Relax, Red Tiger or NetEnt - like yesterday I've had on Piggy Riches Megaways 4x bonus and 4x over 500x in about 2h play on bet 2Euros.
Anyway, saying, that you are super lucky, because now I am somewhere in between 24.000 - 26.000 spins on Fire in he Hole and never had 4.scatters nor 5 of them :D to me it looks like it's set to, when you hit superbonus - its guarantee of max win.. I know, it's not like that, but the frequency of it - makes it looking like that.
I had like 3x the middle bonus on Mental in like same 20.000 spins. Did you land supebonus from base game or got upgrade? But it comes as for winnings same as 3.bonuses only. So no difference from it. That's why I am very very suspicious of it tho.
I had on San quentin 4.bonuses also like 4, or 5x in two weeks play run, that was better but I am also wondering if you can land 5th one in bonus play from 4.bonuses? Or landing two rows of xways+xways - row of wilds? Have you seen anything like that?

i have millions of spins on mental, i had both variations where i landed it straight from base game and where it got upgraded (fun fact: friend of mine triggered anomaly then upgraded to mental on first bonus spin - paid like 30x). Some of the NLC slots have the odds of triggering the super bonus in the help file and IIRC it is like 1:1 000 000.

In regards to Quentin i have seen natural 5 scatter bonus from my gambling amigo that spins it a lot (paid him like 1000x), i never got it myself since i quite simply dont spin enough on that slot as i don't particularly like the way the game is designed (i prefer games where it is possible to land max win on base spin).
 

degerardo

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triggered anomaly then upgraded to mental on first bonus spin - paid like 30x
Well, thats the thing here right? - this should be more often - much more often than 1:1 000 000 - simply because you will get super happy - like getting max win- but then you get 30x bet. And the range of wins is huge with getting 66.666 possibilities of win. Might be 10x bet, 100x bet 1000x bet, 2000x bet, 5000x bet, 5750x bet, 8000x bet, 8321x bet, 10.000x bet, 14000x bet, 17650x bet, 25000x, 43876x bet 43877x bet, 50000x bet..
and it looks like you either get max win, or "nothing" or very rare like 1000x bet or in between.
- just it's a bit off that to get higher bonus - it's like getting max win, or half max win - but you get 30x bet lol :D
I think NLC games are for mining-farming the min bet and just go for years. I mean I do play them exactly as mining and testing the how slots actually works.
I have one more finding which I am going to post here with Mental game play on 5.different casinos at the same time and the results were SURPRISING!!!! Check it out.
 

nssBoB

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Well, thats the thing here right? - this should be more often - much more often than 1:1 000 000 - simply because you will get super happy - like getting max win- but then you get 30x bet. And the range of wins is huge with getting 66.666 possibilities of win. Might be 10x bet, 100x bet 1000x bet, 2000x bet, 5000x bet, 5750x bet, 8000x bet, 8321x bet, 10.000x bet, 14000x bet, 17650x bet, 25000x, 43876x bet 43877x bet, 50000x bet..
and it looks like you either get max win, or "nothing" or very rare like 1000x bet or in between.
- just it's a bit off that to get higher bonus - it's like getting max win, or half max win - but you get 30x bet lol :D
I think NLC games are for mining-farming the min bet and just go for years. I mean I do play them exactly as mining and testing the how slots actually works.
I have one more finding which I am going to post here with Mental game play on 5.different casinos at the same time and the results were SURPRISING!!!! Check it out.
Well what it should or shouldnt be is very subjective, the way i see it is that it works exactly as intended. Never felt cheated in any way. The reason for the phenomena you are describing is quite simple the odds of winning 1- 100x is much much higher than above and the odds of hitting 1000x+ drop in magnitude. So in effect winning 5000x is much much closer to winning 66000x than it is to winning 100 or 500x. Its just the magic of math design for the game.

Now for your experiment i would like to see that on video as i have played multiple instances of mental before and never observed this behaviour.
 

degerardo

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Well, next time I will try to record it, but I am not such a recording person. I ]'ve been asked from two casinos to mainstream their casinos of live-play streaming, but I have amazing job so I dont need to. And I don't really wanted to. But if I will do some more tests like that and not to forget, i will record it :)
I am not complaining about the games, it's just a bit odd that playing like relax, red tiger, you can hit middle range of their 0-max win, where on NCL slots it's like magic max win or up to 100x :D I do play NLC because I like the way of the shots, but I think some more renage from like 100x - 500x cloud be easily twice often - means relax or red tiger or netent way. I am not saying every 100th bonus, but maybe every 2000th one ;) or to set some minimum x-bet when you hit high bonus or max bonus spins.
 
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