Money Gram

[ArrivedDarkness]

Does anyone know which MicroGaming casino's allow Money Gram as a purchase option?

Thanks!

 

[The Watchdog]

A Long time ago......

I have not seen a site accepting moneygram in so much time...

Look for casinos accepting western union, faster... Not cheaper, but faster...

And tons of them accept it...

It looks like a trick question?

Now I am interested... ANY CASINO OFFERING MONEYGRAM???

 

[duke7123]

I have posted here today about Western Union ??

So be careful about sending money to sites that accept Western Union, many of them might be on they way out from accepting Western Union as it is not W/U as a NYSE company owned by FirstData and they have posted on their site meaning W/U they don't allow it for casino sites. Trust me the letter I received from them just today all the way here in the Philippines from Denver was not a letter of enjoyment for me. I have be taunted by them now for several weeks sending to one casino site. So beware I was blocked from sending money there and now this letter today.

Duke

 

[blubber]

What will you use Duke? They don't allow NT in PI, right?

 

[thelawnet]

I have not seen a site accepting moneygram in so much time...

Look for casinos accepting western union, faster... Not cheaper, but faster...

And tons of them accept it...

It looks like a trick question?

Now I am interested... ANY CASINO OFFERING MONEYGRAM???

All the sites accepting Western Union are disreputable, as it is banned under WU's terms.

 

[GrandMaster]

All the sites accepting Western Union are disreputable, as it is banned under WU's terms.

The online terms only prohibit the use of WU to fund illegal gambling.

 

[dominique]

The online terms only prohibit the use of WU to fund illegal gambling.

With the emphasis on ILLEGAL!

 

[The Watchdog]

Credit Cards

Some might say that using your credit card from the US is also illegal...

100% of the sites accept credit cards.....

Actually, now days it seems that any effort from the customer to fund an offshore gambling site (if you are located in the states) is illegal... so whats the difference on using credit cards, Neteller, Moneygram or Western Union??

 

[duke7123]

Reply Thelawnet All the sites accepting Western Union are disreputable, as it is bann

So are you saying that I have made a big mistake by doing Western Unions to a well know site? Just asking so that I will know even more after what I am going though. " All the sites accepting Western Union are disreputable, as it is banned under WU's terms." Your comment yesterday I read the Carl Hutton letter and it seems that even as bad as his letter says the people were if and again if its true? He even mention that they had a list of people that got the Western Unions on page 2 of his story. I am leaening a lot from all of you in trying to help me with this matter, and I know that all of you want the best for the online casino sites as do I.

Thanks For The Info

Duke

 

[Pinababy69]

How Many Threads?

Duke,

Firstly, there are three threads in this forum where you have mentioned your issues with Western Union, and the Carl Hutton thread in Casino Complaints, bringing it to a total of four. Is this really necessary?

Second, you are giving entirely too much credence to the whole blog story re: Virtual Casino. The Virtual Group and a reputable MG site are not even in the same ballpark.

Third, in regards to any site that accepts WU being disreputable, I wholeheartedly disagree. I used WU for three years to deposit to a Micro group, and never had a problem. And yes, they changed receiver names constantly. That's common practice, nothing out of the ordinary there. Obviously, it seems that WU are cracking down on this now....but who's to blame? The casino for offering you a service which was okay with you as long as all went smooth? WU for picking up on what you were doing? Were you aware when you sent these transfers that WU prohibited it? I'd have to think you knew there were problems, as you mentioned in another post that you used your wife's maiden name to send transfers, which leads me to believe that you could no longer use your own name. But you continued to send them, even knowing that there may be problems.

I'm just not sure what your objective here is. Is it to warn us? Or are you genuinely trying to gather some info and advice? What is it that you are looking for? Personally, if WU sent me that letter that you spoke of....I would either ignore them, or tell them to kiss my ass and let them do their own dirty work. If you are that bothered by the whole situation, then perhaps you should follow the advice offered by several posters here and consult a lawyer. If they tell you that you have nothing to worry about, that should put all your fears to rest and this whole situation can be put behind you.

 

[duke7123]

Sorry Pinababy69 Just new at this

I am only trying to get peoples ideas as to what I should do and that is all. I am also sorry about the 3 or 4 post. I did not know that when I reply until now that it would be posted. So I guess that is why I did a new thread. There is much more to the story that I have stated here but I guess I have made you mad for asking ? on here and for that I am sorry. I can only hope that you and others will forgive me for being new to this and sharing my Western Union matters with all. I will not asked anymore but will reply to Western Union and give them all of the information that they want including the printouts that I have of the online casino telling me this name is not good try this one and so on.

My Deepest Regreats for my post and sorry to have bother all of you with them.

Respectfully,

Duke

 

[Pinababy69]

I am only trying to get peoples ideas as to what I should do and that is all. I am also sorry about the 3 or 4 post. I did not know that when I reply until now that it would be posted. So I guess that is why I did a new thread. There is much more to the story that I have stated here but I guess I have made you mad for asking ? on here and for that I am sorry. I can only hope that you and others will forgive me for being new to this and sharing my Western Union matters with all. I will not asked anymore but will reply to Western Union and give them all of the information that they want including the printouts that I have of the online casino telling me this name is not good try this one and so on.

My Deepest Regreats for my post and sorry to have bother all of you with them.

Respectfully,

Duke

Duke, you haven't made me mad...all I'm trying to figure out is what is it that you are looking for? There have been several replies from different posters, offering advice and opinions. No one can help you if don't state your objective. The four different threads thing just makes it more difficult to follow the whole situation.

Don't you think that consulting an attorney to ascertain where you stand legally is sound advice? If WU has no legal recourse against you personally, then I'm just not getting what the problem is? A blond moment maybe? Is your major concern in all this that you could face prosecution or legal action? If a lawyer tells you that all is fine on your end, then wouldn't you want to just forget the whole thing? Could you just answer that for me? Thanks.

 

[duke7123]

Reply Pinababy69

I will just not mention it again on here and will just give them what they want and hopes that they will unblock me from using their service because I have used them to send money to pay bills while I am over here as well as other things. Its just sad that I will have to expose a what I think is a very good casino site as well as try and clear my name.

So once agin sorry to made the post on here and I will not post anymore about it on here.

Thanks

Duke

 

[Pinababy69]

I will just not mention it again on here and will just give them what they want and hopes that they will unblock me from using their service because I have used them to send money to pay bills while I am over here as well as other things. Its just sad that I will have to expose a what I think is a very good casino site as well as try and clear my name.

So once agin sorry to made the post on here and I will not post anymore about it on here.

Thanks

Duke

See, this is what I don't get Duke. Why would you want to co-operate with an organization that according to you is threatening you? Especially if they have no legal recourse? Rather than spending half an hour with an attorney, you'd rather sign some affidavit that contains God only knows what. You asked for advice, everyone gave you a pretty much similar answer. Yet, you choose not to follow that advice. So if you don't want to talk to a lawyer, what do you want? You still haven't answered that.

 

[duke7123]

Ok Pinababy69 Reply to the Western Union Letter

The Western Union Money Transfer service is intended to help people send money to people they know. Western Union requires all U.S. as well as any consumers that use our services to agree as part of our terms and conditions of service that their use of our services doesn't violate any law, "including without imit any laws relating to money laundering, illegal gambling activities, up to include online casinos,support for terrorist activities, or fraud." This requirement is the same across all of our service channels worldwide. U.S. consumers that initiate money transfers using a credit card or cash enter into the same agreement with Western Union on this topic irrespective of whether they initiate their transaction on-line or at an Agent location system wide.

Western Union is committed to being a responsible corporate citizen in the communities where we live and work. We take great care to compy with all applicable laws. We expect that consumers who use our services will do the same. We also expect that consumers who use our services use them solely for the purpose for which it was designed, i.e., to send money to people they know.
We routinely monitor consumer transaction activity to confirm that those who use our services comply with their agreements with us. Failure to abide by the service terms and conditions will result in corrective action by Western Union including, without limit, suspension of an individual's right to use our services and/or indemnification demand from Western Union for any losses suffered by Western Union. These observations are made without prejudice to any other rights or remedies available to Western Union including, without limitation, Western Union's right to refuse service to any person for any reason.

While we have endeavored in this letter to offer you a general overview of our approach to legal compliance issues, we are not willing to offer you specific legal guidance on the status of the law in each of the jurisdictions in which our services are offered. Having said that we hold any and all of our agents worldwide to the same standards.

Ok so here is a part of the letter that I have scanned fro you and to me the word "WORLDWIDE" is the world. I did not put in here what their actions are to me or to the 3rd party or people that I sent to. So you asked me what I want well I want my freedom back to use their services fro whatever I need them, but that does not look like it willhappen as of now. I have been requested to go to Manila at their expence also to talk and sign. So you have it there or at least a little more. Or they have offered me to come to a location when I arrive back in the USA. The part about people I know that is the part that I don't know these people all I did was to follow the casino sites list of names that they gave me, which changed often and that can be looked upon as FRAUD... Not only that but because of every Western Union that anyone sends no matter where from goes though the USA terminals and is watched as Carol Brown states here. So it might be a wire act, M/L, or maybe file to me under the Rico act because it goes though USA terminals. So now you know a little more! You see Pinababy69 its much deeper than what I have told but you pressed so I will give you what you want.

Carol A. Brown, Director
Compliance, Fraud, International and Off-line Operations

Duke

 

[Pinababy69]

So you asked me what I want well I want my freedom back to use their services fro whatever I need them, but that does not look like it willhappen as of now.

Okay, thank you for the reply, it is appreciated. I guess that makes it a little more difficult for you...as your concern isn't legal action as much as it is the ability to use Western Union. And I guess they have the right to deny their services to anyone that they want, for whatever reason.

So your thinking is that the only way to get yourself reinstated with them is to co-operate with them and sign whatever they want you to sign? Honestly Duke, if that's what you're after, I don't know what advice to offer you. The only way around it would be to have a third party send any transfers you may have in the future, as you did with your wife. Not an easy situation if you rely on WU for necessary payments.

Sorry to push, but it's hard to try and help or even understand someone when you don't have all the facts. Know what I mean? Have the casino contacted you as yet? Even if they do, I'm not quite sure how they could help if your goal is getting reinstated with WU. But I guess that is something for you to discuss with them privately.

 

[duke7123]

Yes and you missed the point that they made

The fact that I want to used them is one thing, the other is the fact that they are saying what their policy is to PEOPLE ONE KNOWS!!! When a site condones what they know to be wrong then to me that gets them involved. So I guess that is why I will give them what they want to clear my name and let them go after the people I sent it to as well as conduct their investigations. No the Casino has not contacted me as of yet but then again I have not contacted them because its the weekend and I am sure they will not be in. Meaning the right people!

Again sorry to have posted this on here but was looking for a little help but did not see any Attorney on here to help me but at least I have some direction because of so much input be it right or wrong to glean from and decide on my next step.

Regards,

Duke

 

[Linus]

Duke, I'd take a casino wanting me to use Western Union as a bad sign, since they prohibit it, and the casino ought to know that. That they're using 3rd parties is also shady, and shows they do know about WU doesn't allow it.

Again, why not use Neteller or Firepay?

Who is it that wants you to go to Manila? What is it they want you to sign?

If you're trying to protect the casino, I think you're mistaken. They've profited to the tune of 15k from you. They ought to be protecting you, not the other way around.

 

[duke7123]

Western Union want me to go to Manila

They want me to go to Manila meaning Western Union and sign and yes you are correct that if a casino sites and they did in the emails that I have from them and online chats that I printed out. They know that it was wrong but hey I was in to deep to back away now and yes they did profit from me. Not withstanding the fact that they knew of this 30 days ago, but still let me send in my wifes madian name and credit my account. I guess you have a very good point they accepted the money and credited my account and my wife was not even a registered player on their site. But they accepted the money no matter what. I guess it shows their true colors and caring for their players. I can not use those 2 that you mention from here in Philippines as I have tried but they don't allow something about to much fraud and having problems from here. Even I have an account with them they will not allow from here per my phone conversation with them.

That is what I was thinking that the casino site knows that it was wrong to have someone pick up teh money like a company and then give it to the casino and then it would be credited to my account. No matter who sent it I guess they must have paid a nice fee for eac transaction they had all these different people pick up for them. This is a very well know casino and suppose to have a solid rep! But after 2 days now I have had second thoughts about their intent and care for their players. I hope you read what I sent Pinababy69 and some of the info in the letter from Western Union.

Thanks for understanding

 

[spearmaster]

If you already have a Neteller account, there should be no problem funding a casino account even if you are in the Philippines. I am in Manila at this very moment funding my own casino account through Neteller.

Meanwhile, I would like to know what well-known casino with a good reputation would let you deposit money in your account through a wire using your wife's maiden name. This I personally cannot condone - I more or less agree with Linus on the WU issue if the casino is actively promoting WU at the expense of other options.

 

[aodat2]

Truth was that I was not going to reply but I just can't stand not replying.

Duke, if your intention is just to get WU to let you use their service again, then perhaps my suggestion is to just forget it and not use them ever again. Since you state that you have a house in the USA, I'm guessing that you either have some legal contract that allows you to be in the USA. So thus it means that you're more than welcome to open up a bank account in the USA as well.

If you're telling me about paying bills, then getting a US Bank Account and paying bills that way would be a lot easier compared to WU and cheaper too. Also, by having a Bank account, you could just easily WIRE (Telegraphic Transfer) the money to the bank account without any hassle. Be it $100,000 or any amount. It's YOUR MONEY and the bank in the USA will gladly accept it.

As for your problem with WU, I could say that everyone who responded to you have given our views to you that you should just not be intimidated by WU's letter and just move on. If WU really wants to do something, they would have already done it and not waited till now.

Also, you state that WU actually says you can only send money to people you know. Well... I guess a lot of people are in DEEP SH*T. Why? Coz they send money to people they know not. How you might ask? Well, that's easy. My mother asked her staff to send money to me quite a long time ago and the staff did not know who I was. Just a name on a piece of paper. So, is he wrong? Is he gonna be sent the same letter that you were sent? NO WAY!

So, either you MOVE ON or just sign on the dotted line where WU asks you to sign and shut the heck up. Two very clear choice for you right now.

1. Sign everything WU wants you to sign.

2. Ignore them and get yourself a lawyer and fight WU to the end (that's what we all advice)

That's the only choices that you have. Choose either one of them. No 3rd Choice. No Other Way Out!

Spearmaster :
He did not wire the money to them, just used a WU under his Wife's Maiden Name.
Also, what the heck are you doing in Manila? Ain't you suppose to be in Thailand?

 

[spearmaster]

Spearmaster :
He did not wire the money to them, just used a WU under his Wife's Maiden Name.

You mean he used his wife's maiden name to send a WU to the casino - and the casino accepted it.

Both parties are wrong.

Also, what the heck are you doing in Manila? Ain't you suppose to be in Thailand?

Business trip. Back tomorrow.

 

[The Watchdog]

Come on

First of all a company accepting western union as a funding method is found on every corner of the web. I wouldn't say only because WU forbids it is a bad or dishonest company.

DO YOU KNOW HOW SOME COMPANIES PROCESS CREDIT CARDS FROM THE US?? Well as I said before now days for US customers any way of funding an offshore gambling account could be considered illegal so lets not get focused on Western Union, Money Gram, Neteller, Firepay, etc.

You all know that customers who use western union love it, the only inconvenience is the fee, which a lot of companies will reimburse. On the other side, casinos and books love it (Chargeback free method)

So I belive the thread should start heading to an end. Its unfortunate what happened to this guy, but thats it. Get a lawyer, I guarantee you won't go to jail or hell and learn from your experience. If every one learns to use Neteller, Moneybookers or any other method which is not as risky as WU everyone will be happy and no threads like this one will ever appear.

Avoid WU, more if you are a US citizen, learn about methods... Is not nuclear science, most of them provide a very reliable service and you won't be receiving this moronic letters requesting you info. If they want to know which company is receiving the money is not that difficult.

 

[duke7123]

Reply To All I did nothing wrong Western Union

Look the casino condoned this method and said that it was ok to send it in my wifes madian name. The fact is that they accepted the funds and credited my account. Even though they new of the problems that I was having with W/U and that is it. So being wrong does not make it right. As far a using Neteller you call them from Philippines as I did and they told me that I could not used. I am not in Manila now in a different province, maybe that is why? #rd the lady that could not reply and did. Well all I can say is that I have posted what has happen to me. I am sorry that you are mad but I thought that this was a open and clear site where one could express a experience.? I wish not to give the casinos name as they are ok but I think they just lead me down the wrong path by allowing me to seen the money VIA WESTERN UNION IN MY WIFES NAME AND THE CREDITED IT TO MY ACCOUNT. TO GET THE MONEY!!!

Thanks,

Duke

 

[spearmaster]

Look the casino condoned this method and said that it was ok to send it in my wifes madian name. The fact is that they accepted the funds and credited my account. Even though they new of the problems that I was having with W/U and that is it. So being wrong does not make it right. As far a using Neteller you call them from Philippines as I did and they told me that I could not used. I am not in Manila now in a different province, maybe that is why? #rd the lady that could not reply and did. Well all I can say is that I have posted what has happen to me. I am sorry that you are mad but I thought that this was a open and clear site where one could express a experience.? I wish not to give the casinos name as they are ok but I think they just lead me down the wrong path by allowing me to seen the money VIA WESTERN UNION IN MY WIFES NAME AND THE CREDITED IT TO MY ACCOUNT. TO GET THE MONEY!!!

No one is mad at you, take it easy

If the casino is the one that took you down this path then obviously they should be the one taking most of the blame - but you should also know that you should not be using someone else's name to send money to an account for your use - and this is why I said both parties are wrong. And btw, if the casino really did do this then they are NOT an OK casino in my book and I am sure we would all like to know who did this.

As for Neteller - all you need to do is try and log on if you already have an account - if you can log on, you can use the service, simple as that. If you for some reason get locked out for security purposes, let me know and I can perhaps tell you what you need to do. But it makes no difference whether you are in Manila or another province.