Military with slots.....a sad tale..

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All the blustering and lies about the government protecting families and their family values.....Makes one sick reading this and knowing that the government condones gambling on most bases and even encourages it..sick, sick government!
By Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston
CNN

BANGOR, Maine (CNN) -- Carrie Walsh's husband was a decorated Apache helicopter pilot for the U.S. Army. But years ago, Aaron Walsh started playing slot machines on military bases. He became a gambling addict. It eventually ruined his military career.

Then last fall, with his life in a tailspin, the 34-year-old walked into the Maine woods, put a gun to his head and killed himself -- after what his wife says was one final "gambling binge."

"The military has this culture of taking care of their own," says Carrie Walsh. "But it seems like when it comes to this, they just, you know, profited from his addiction and then threw him away."

There are thousands of slot machines on military bases overseas. The military says the revenue from the slots -- well over $100 million annually -- is used to fund recreation programs overseas, such as swimming pools, movie theaters and concerts.

Critics say it is an outrage that the military, which has a budget of more than $500 billion this fiscal year, takes money from the pockets of its troops and runs slot machines that generate revenues that equal a medium-sized Las Vegas casino operation.

"The military should not be a predator on its own soldiers and their families," says John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois who has spent years studying the matter. "To be a predator of their own people that are serving their country is outrageous." (Watch why Kindt believes the military should be ashamed )

Earlier this year, Kindt issued a report titled "Gambling with Terrorism and U.S. Military Readiness" that blasted the military's gaming machines. He says many soldiers trapped in overseas posts can ill afford access to gambling machines.

Kindt says people drawn to military life are predisposed to become gambling addicts. They're generally young and they're risk-takers, he says. He adds that those type-A personalities are the "ones most likely to get hooked."

About 2.2 percent of military personnel have indicators of probable pathological gambling, he says, compared with about 0.77 to 1.6 percent in the general population.

Military: Slots are needed
Rich Gorman, the Army's point man on recreational activities, says there are 3,000 slot machines for the Army and Marines, bringing in $130 million. The number of gaming machines for the Air Force and Navy weren't immediately disclosed. (Back in 1999, the last time numbers were made available, the Pentagon said it ran 8,000 slot machines on 94 overseas bases and posts.)

Gorman disagrees with critics like Kindt who say military personnel are more apt to get hooked on gambling. Gorman said military personnel are no more likely to be addicted to gambling than anyone else.

Undersecretary of Defense Leslye Arsht, in a statement to CNN, said the machines on bases and posts provide "a controlled alternative to unmonitored host-nation gambling venues and offers a higher payment percentage making it more entertainment oriented than that found at typical casinos."

"Department of Defense policy authorizes the military services to operate gaming and/or other amusement machines in overseas locations only, unless prohibited by host-country laws or agreements," Arsht said.

As for Carrie Walsh, she says her husband struggled with gambling from the outset. Aaron Walsh had gone through one marriage and a suicide attempt after getting hooked on slots at a base in Germany, she says.

His addiction continued after the couple got married and moved to a base in South Korea, with him tearing through his military paychecks and maxing out his credit cards. (Watch Carrie Walsh describe looking for her husband among the slots )

After he got in trouble for missing work and was grounded, his wife got fed up and headed back home to Maine.

She says the military did try to help her husband "when it became apparent that he had a problem." He checked into the military's only gambling treatment program at Camp Pendleton in California, a program that has since shut down. But it did little good.

Aaron Walsh was eventually kicked out of the military in September 2005 because of his addiction problems. A few months later, he turned up in Maine. Then one night last fall, he made his way to a civilian casino in Bangor, before killing himself.

"He had been doing really well staying away from it, and I think that he went and had like a gambling binge, and then realized what he had done and decided he wasn't ever going to get better," she said.

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What's wrong with gambling?

Absolutely nothing for the average Joe. But an addiction to anything can become devastating as apparently happened to the lad in the article.

I had read that article on MSNBC earlier today and what jumps out at you as I think it did to Silc is all the sanctimonious crap that our government spews out while profiting from the same.

I would need a thesaurus to find the right word as Hypocrite does not seem strong enough.
 
What's wrong with gambling?

It's a recipe for disaster I think. You have soldiers who are bored, away from their wives and children, in a strange country, and you put slot machines in front of them. Compulsive gamblers get into the action to escape from reality. Who wouldn't want to escape more than these guys?
 
Oh come on, the dude was just plain weak and would have been a gambler with or without the military being involved. They are quoting from John W. Kindt who believes all gambling anywhere in the USA needs to be gotten rid of. Kindt is a nut bag and he has the numbers to prove any point he cares to make since he skews them for his own purpose.

All this guy had to do to stop his problem was to have his whole check put into his wife's name and the military would have complied. The military is not a babysitter, the soldiers desire gambling activities, bars, bowling alleys, swimming pools and what not and they should have access to it if it is legal in the area of operations.

CNN just runs with anything that will bash our military or Bush but I bet anyone on this forum that would read Kindts appearances in front of the house on bill H.R. 497 that they would bash the heck out of this idiot instead of thinking it is the fault of our military that this guy off'ed himself.

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here is a small portion feel free to read the whole thing or other stuff by this nutbag.
 
Oh no no, I myself never meant to imply what happened to this guy was the fault of the military. I do not feel that way for a minute, nor do I think that is implied by any postings on this thread. I just don't like how the Feds can allow implementation of a bill restricting Harry Homeowners ability to wager a bet while they not only condone but provide that ability on government property. Let the soldiers have anything and everything that will for one second grant them relief from their duties. What happened to this guy in the story is sad, that's all. And as for John Kindt, you nailed it, the guy is a pinhead.
 
Oh no no, I myself never meant to imply what happened to this guy was the fault of the military. I do not feel that way for a minute, nor do I think that is implied by any postings on this thread. I just don't like how the Feds can allow implementation of a bill restricting Harry Homeowners ability to wager a bet while they not only condone but provide that ability on government property. Let the soldiers have anything and everything that will for one second grant them relief from their duties. What happened to this guy in the story is sad, that's all. And as for John Kindt, you nailed it, the guy is a pinhead.

I can understand where you are coming from but they are not allowing it in any places that it breaks any laws in the area of operations just like right now I can still go to the local casino ten minutes away without breaking any laws, it is the online stuff they want to regulate.

Now if the article would have said they were promoting online gambling then I may have taken more issue with it, I just hate reading articles that spin things so far out of reality as if just because he was in the military he ended up becoming addicted to gambling then killed himself. If it is legal where they are at, to me it isn't even hypocritical for the military to provide our soldiers any outlet they so choose.

It also could be that they quote Kindt that drove me nuts, that guy is a peach :).
 
EMAIL THIS HYPOCRISY TO YOUR STATE REPS AT WHITE HOUSE

I incorporated the information regarding Military bases in my recent email below to my reps in congress:

I am emailing to urge your support for HR 2046 introduced be Congressman Barney Frank, regarding licensing of Internet Gambling.

.First I would like to say that the manner in which the ULIGEA of 2006 was passed clearly denied our Elected Officials time to review the Legislation. This Legislation is viewed as a hypocrisy by a large number of U.S. Citizens.

Most testimony in support of this Legislation was based on moral issues and that fact that many young adults(teens) were becoming addicted to gambling.

1. It is clearly not viewed as a moral issue by the U.S. Government. If it were, then all forms of gambling would be prohibited, not just internet gambling. I did not see any statistics being presented regarding the amount of dollars spent by Citizens on State Lotteries, Horse Racing, Land Based Casinos, Dog Racing or Bingo. I would suspect if you add the expenditure up through these venues it would be more than that spent through the internet.
2. Regarding Teens gambling on the internet. This is totally misrepresented. First of all, most teens and college students do not have the financial resources to gamble on line unless provided by their parent and I doubt any sane parent is going to give their teen money to gamble with. Secondly, the internet sites I am aware of clearly do not pay winnings to anyone without first receiving a copy of that individuals drivers license, front and back; a copy of a utility bill(minus acct number info. of course)that indicates name and address,and if any of these look suspicious they will ask for additional information.All sites post age requirements. One might say these documents can be forged and submitted. My reply would be that young adults can easily have access to u.s. casinos and purchase lottery tickets with a fake I.D. I have questioned a few local teens regarding this and they inform me they have purchased many lottery tickets, these teens were high school age.

Clearly the real issue is that the U.S. Government is not getting there cut of the gambling proceeds. I can see their point in this regard.

This is why I think Congressman Frank is on the right track.

Another issue adding to the hypocrisy of this bill is the fact that our own Government has established slot machine venues on our foreign Military Bases. The response to this when questioned was that it keeps the soldiers from going to outside gambling establishments. Please! The real reason is so they can make the money instead of the oustide establishments. They say the proceeds are used to fund other recreational activies for the troops. I think that is a great idea. But, it is a contradiction of the Governments statement that gambling is a moral issue, bad for families and the public as a whole.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE I SEE IN THE UPCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION is Civil Liberties, freedom of choice and restoring Constitutional rights of Citizens of the United States.

The American public is tired of these contradictions. We are tired of Religious and other Lobbyist groups influencing our laws. We are watching what the new Congress is doing. We are watching what the Supreme Court is doing to protect our rights and freedom.

We are ready for a change in the way Government runs this Country at our expense.
 
Hello footdr, you state the case expertly indeed! :thumbsup:
Thanks for your input. I may just reproduce your letter for my Rep Heather Wilson. With your permission of course. :)
 

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