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Once again 4oak, I see that you spend about 90% of your posts being snide and insincere and muddying up the issues of the thread and only about 10% of your posts talking about your so-called only interest, which is getting on line gambling regulated and enforced. Nothing about how that is being accomplished or what is "in the works" for your stance, which should be your main topic.

Not very good communication skills are possibly your weakness?
 
If you believe everything is in fair order concerning the OP’s outcome, I could only agree.

I believe nothing of the sort because I have no idea whether it was a "good" settlement or not. IMO, without more information on the case it would be foolhardy to start talking about it being "fair" or not since there are no grounds on which to make such an evaluation.

Sorry for taking up your time concerning this issue.

I'd rather hear an apology for your recent spate of totally unfounded accusations and willful distortions of the facts to suit your agenda but I'm not holding my breath. Your technique of "say anything, retract only what you get caught on" is exceedingly annoying and a waste of resources. That does deserve an apology.

Not sure how a reminder about treating reps with respect fits into this thread ...

The OP was rude and abusive to the casino people and the rep, that got his PAB tossed in the rubbish. He continued to be a PITA and that got him banned from the site. I would think the point of the reminder would be pretty obvious, no?

Every single player that ever deposits and is willing to risk their money gaming online needs real protection which will only be achieved with regulation and enforcement.

Anyone that thinks gambling online in the present environment is safe, are in denial, since its history speaks for itself.

Here at least we agree. Too bad you feel the need for bogus accusations and willful disinformation to pursue that end. The message may get lost if the messenger gets himself strung up.
 
While I dont know why the player was paid I hope others dont follow his example and take an antagonistic stance against those who do not comment in their favour. If you have a valid case try seeking help in a rational manner and dont ram it down others' throats. I am certain this is an odd case out and others wont easily win their cases especially if they become abusive during the process.
 
As it happens we've heard from the rep and the OP getting paid was a "benefit of the doubt" situation, the stuff about being connected to other players still stands AFAIK. In other words "obvious lies from the rep" and so forth are, as might have been expected, fact-less hyperbole.

Might be worth mentioning that apparently the Terms have or soon will be updated to specifically exclude situations like that presented by the OP. As I understand it this will place additional restrictions on all players.
 
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As it happens we've heard from the rep and the OP getting paid was a "benefit of the doubt" situation, the stuff about being connected to other players still stands AFAIK. In other words "obvious lies from the rep" and so forth are, as might have been expected, fact-less hyperbole.

Might be worth mentioning that apparently the Terms have or soon will be updated to specifically exclude situations like that presented by the OP. As I understand it this will place additional restrictions on all players.

In my experience it is not unusual for a decision by an operator or even a regulator to be taken on review, and settled if the original decision was thought to be flawed or incorrect/unfair in some way. That is what appears to have happened here.

IMO it is not a bad thing that a regulator, and for that matter the operator concerned, is prepared to carry out such a review and reverse an initial decision having re-examined all the evidence.
 
You only need to look at who made the claim about being tied to 15 accounts.

Their rep who has a history of making false or otherwise totally ludicrous statements over the years on different forums. Whatever she is misinformed or not one should always take her posts/statements with a grain of salt.
Please don't jump to conclusions. You are not in contact with the administrators at KGC nor the Rewards group. The 15 accounts still stands - but the guy spotted a flaw in the way the terms and conditions were written - so he got paid via a technicality.

You are also flaming a fellow member. Don't do it. Especially when you don't know what happened.

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It's obvious this casino lied to the OP and also to Bryan. Had this player not gone elsewhere for help he would have remained a victim of theft...
The only one lying here was the player. Don't jump to conclusions when you don't have all the facts before you. That's a bad way to start a day. :p

Further to state - as Nifty implied a sarcastic "thanks" to this guy, this is the type of activity that ruins the fun for most of you. CR has to rewrite their terms, and more dolphins will be caught in the tuna net.
 
Please don't jump to conclusions. You are not in contact with the administrators at KGC nor the Rewards group. The 15 accounts still stands - but the guy spotted a flaw in the way the terms and conditions were written - so he got paid via a technicality.

Was the player's account locked after they were paid, do you know?

EDIT: of course I meant accounts... ;)
 
Was the player's account locked after they were paid, do you know?

The word I have from the casino peeps is yes, the account(s) were closed.
 
Please don't jump to conclusions. You are not in contact with the administrators at KGC nor the Rewards group. The 15 accounts still stands - but the guy spotted a flaw in the way the terms and conditions were written - so he got paid via a technicality.

You are also flaming a fellow member. Don't do it. Especially when you don't know what happened.


The only one lying here was the player. Don't jump to conclusions when you don't have all the facts before you. That's a bad way to start a day. :p

Further to state - as Nifty implied a sarcastic "thanks" to this guy, this is the type of activity that ruins the fun for most of you. CR has to rewrite their terms, and more dolphins will be caught in the tuna net.

This is "advantage play", rather than fraud. This kind of ruling should ensure that sloppy terms are not allowed to get one over on players. What isn't clear is whether this flaw allowed the OP to have 15 ZODIAC accounts, or whether he simply signed up at 15 different casinos.

CR are not the innocent party they make out, because they "spam" so HEAVILY to players with one account in order to get them to sign up at every damn CR casino. The ONLY restriction on this is "new players only", and other than the rule about making a second deposit in your account BEFORE opening another, there is nothing else in the terms to prevent players from doing this.

Some suggestions for CR.

1) Cut the aggressive "cross marketing". It isn't even a couple a week, I have seen several different mailers for the same CR casino in a single DAY! This is the same issue that got 888.com into trouble.

2) Rather than the "blunderbus" approach, send players true PERSONAL invites, and ONLY when they have show some loyalty. Cap the number of non-invite new player offers to something sensible as many other casinos do, and protect the "dolphins" from getting caught by cross checking their registration details to ensure that the new account does not exceed their quota. If it does, LOCK the new account automatically as Playtech software does before they even get to see the free chip, let alone play it. Advantage players will have to trick the system by entering different details for each account, thus would most likely be guilty of fraud in any case.

When the account is locked automatically, leave it open to the player to contact CS to see if he will be allowed the account and welcome bonus.

32Red have 4 casinos, but the welcome bonus is only allowed on any ONE casino, and others may only be taken if invited prior to claiming. I did sign up at Dash, and discovered a loophole that allows players to get the bonus automatically on their first deposit, even if they are not logged as eligible. I contacted Pat about this to tell him this loophole existed so that he could look at shutting it down. The loophole would have placed the group in the position of having to confiscate or make WR 100x when a player had the bonus credited automatically, and may not have realised this meant anything other than that they were eligible.

Apart from this, CR have got it right for the loyalty bonuses and promotions. These have to be claimed prior to depositing, and if they are not sent out or loaded into the lobby, an ineligible player cannot claim. It may be worth moving the welcome bonuses onto this system, with players having to claim it from the lobby first. Given the time taken for a new MGS casino to download the games, this should allow enough time for a check on the registration details to ensure the new player bonus quota has not been exceeded. Only once this is done should the lobby be loaded with the claim form.
 
He was quite bold in what he did. And as for the terms being updated, I doubt that it will affect anyone besides those who would try the same trick.

Certainly makes me smile when a casino is screwed because of their T&Cs. Especially when its CR who have used quite a lot of tricks to trap players.
 

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