Sorry Rusty, but unless you have seen the code or you wrote it, then your theories are as good as mine. I did state earlier that I am not really a techie, so Im not sure what all the chest-beating above is all about
I dont see the point in having a 'how high can you pee' match.
My point about credibility has nothing to do with knowledge - they are totally different things. What I said was related to this below:
You didnt actually
explain the point of what you posted originally, so you left it to the reader to decide what you were getting at.....and it seemed awfully like whinging that you only got a 50% RTP after 250 spins....implying that there is something wrong with those results, which anyone will tell you is ridiculous as these kinds of numbers
can and do occur all the time, and
will occur in a totally random game. If you are educated as you indicate, then you will (and I am sure you do) know this.
If your point was something different, then I am happy to listen.
I agree that the 3 reel slots are most probably weighted, and some 5 reels slots as well come to mention it.
It might be illegal in many jurisdictions, but we both know that online casinos can pretty much do what they like.
Personally, I dont care if they
are weighted, as long as the RTP is 'as advertised'.
My question is: If you discovered 100% for sure that your favorite slot was actually weighted, would you stop playing it? Even if you often win??
All I know that, as a player, I either win or lose. Simple. If I feel I am not getting a fair game at any time, I dont go back (and their are a few times Ive done this over the years). If Im happy in the knowledge that I have a reasonable chance of winning, then I am just that - happy.
Ive often asked myself and others : "If you were made privy to the internal functions of all the slots you play and exactly how they generate the RTP etc i.e. everything there is to know, would you still play them anyway?". Most, including me, said Yes. After all, its not like you can do anything about it is there? You cant spin it differently etc.
Anyway, my intention wasnt to get up your nose Rusty. It just bothers me when players complain about bad sessions etc and infer that there is something fishy going on. Have a rant about how bad your luck has been - sure - but you cant seriously go around claiming games arent random using a sample size of 250 spins.
If you state incorrectly that I have posted something which I have not and then go on to use this falsehood to question my credibility you should expect a vigorous response.
Of course you got up my nose and of course this was your intention.
The point is that the credibility of a person regarding a certain topic is strongly linked to their knowledge of that topic.
Knowing the mathematics involved and having an understanding of the programming languages used in these slots and websites are pretty much essential if you want your opinion to be informed.
I would not talk about how the weather works and make a forecast without knowing the physics involved and having a knowledge of meteorology and I would consider someone with knowledge of those as a more credible weatherman then someone who had none.
Stating my credentials is not chest beating just as fairly asking yours is not a pissing contest - you were the one who raised the issue of credibility.
Ok that is past, let's move on.
As for the intention of my original post, it was a little tongue in cheek and I thought that sample was pretty funny, hence my please come again comment.
It is not evidence of anything other than 50% RTP playing with $70+ at 60c a spin and busting out after 250 spins.
If I had stated casino x cheats and so does this slot and here is the proof you would have a had a point but making your own assumptions on my meaning and rewriting my post to fit those assumptions then going on to attack me for what I have not stated is not cool.
Now the rest of what you write we are in pretty close agreement on except I would say that virtually all slots are weighted not just some.
Also this is not illegal in any jurisdiction to best of my knowledge as long as they conform to certain standards and levels of RTP.
Knowing this do I still play, yes, just as I used to play AWP slots (also perfectly legal) knowing how they functioned - that does not mean I think they are completely fair though or things can not be improved.
Where you say we can do nothing about it - I disagree, though an argument that continuing to play them does not help the cause of change is a strong one. Still, if I just walked away that would not effect change either.
You state you are happy playing weighted slots as long as they conform to certain standards which is fine but when I first started playing online I thought it would be a liberation from AWP sucktitude - especially since all the noise coming from the industry at that time was that these slots operated without weighting or probability tables.
Why does it matter if you can still win and the RTP is 95% or whatever?
Because it is open to abuse and unlike B&M slots there are no other players to fill the slot while you are not there.
Sure it may take into account other players results but it may not which could mean the height of every win streak must be followed by the depths of the losing streak from hell. That does not seem fair.
Aslo RTP could be altered live rather than having to disable the game and upload a different version with a different natural RTP.
We could debate long hard as to whether the RTP is changed live and debate further about how the RTP is made up and whether that in itself is fair but such debates would not even exist if the software was algorithm free when it comes to how the RTP is arrived at.
I know the win streaks are fun but does it not stick in your throat just a little that what goes up must come down faster than freefall speed?
There are perfectly good reasons that the RTP is determined by other factors and bonus pick rounds are weighted and freespin rounds sent in batches.
Adding multipliers, the ability to change stake and lines increases the variance a great deal as well and software designers and operators want a handle on this but I maintain it is possible to design slots without these hidden number crunchers.
The problem is that while it is very desirable for me and most players it is not desirable for the Casinos so they will never go for it unless the industry is more strongly regulated with, dare I say, a little more technical savvy and desire for the player to receive the fairest game possible rather than just a pay check.
They might even index the data for you.
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