Microgaming.. WTH

[brianzz]

You are still not getting it. The figures in the ecogra report are expressed as a percentage of the total amount wagered. The hold is calculated as a percentage of chips bought or amount deposited into machines. See also

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so you're saying the ecogra reports aren't saying that they paid out 96% of the money played across the tables? or that the gaming report aren't saying they paid out 87% of money played across the tables? Whether you say hold or win or whatever, it's the amount of money/profit that was kept from the total wagers on tables for that month and I think those numbers have been skewed by online casinos.

 

[GrandMaster]

The ecogra figure is not the hold percentage. An example:
Let's say players deposit $25000, wager $100000, and lose $5000. In the ecogra report this would show as 95% returned to players, whereas a B&M casino would consider it as a hold of 20%.

 

[brianzz]

If that's what you want to think, more power to you but I'm not buying these ecogra reports. They're worse than the PWC reports which pretty much said word for word that you could purchase what your report wanted to say.

 

[GrandMaster]

It is not what I "want to think", but what the figures mean. If you don't believe them, that's a different matter, but you should be clear about what you don't believe in.

 

[retlaw]

I do believe the ecogra figures, but even with a payout of 98% it is possible to loose a lot of money.
It is a misleading figure,certainly for new online players ,because not everyone knows how it has been calculated.
The hold percentage of B&M casino's are more real, because they are related to the money which has been lost.
Winning or loosing money : that's the most important (at least for me)

 

[Josh66]

Hi all

Thanks for this thread. I thought it was just me.

Until things change I am not playing at any MG casinos. I have spent thousands of pounds with various MG casinos and little fun to be had. Constant loosing is not what it's all about. What are the chances of a 6 month bad streak?

I agree with a lot of what has been said and think it might be time to rest the gambling altogether for a while.

Cheers

J

 

[brianzz]

... and here's what I'll believe, B&M casino kept 14% of what was played across table games.. ecogra says online casino kept 3%, I choose to believe the ecoga report is distorting figures to make it look more enticing to depositors.

 

[happygobrokey]

14% hold means players, on average, leave 14% of their money with the dealers or in the machine's guts.

97% payback means that the casino made, on average, three cents for every dollar wagered.

if i understand it correctly...

 

[Jasminebed]

What are the chances of a 6 month bad streak?

I'd have to say they are higher than a six month winning streak. Are you sure you've never been ahead? That would be considered part of your payback percentage, even if you fail to cash out. I certainly do not cash out $20 up three minutes into my weekend fix. Or I would make money like KK

If you are not having fun losing, I suggest you do something else. I try to enjoy losing my money at least, and pretty much regard it as gone once I deposit. I just want a chance to play for a while and hope.

 

[SlotsWizard]

... and here's what I'll believe, B&M casino kept 14% of what was played across table games.. ecogra says online casino kept 3%, I choose to believe the ecoga report is distorting figures to make it look more enticing to depositors.

You can't compare them at face value, because the two reports represent completely different statistics. Consider the following identical situations:

1) I bring $100 with me to Vegas, play 500 spins at $1 each, and am left with $50.

2) I deposit $100 at an online casino, play 500 spins at $1 each, and am left with $50.

In both of the above scenarios, the Hold is 50% (because 50% of the bankroll was lost), and the Return was 90% (because 10% of the money wagered was lost).

The Vegas reports are referring to the Hold; the eCogra reports are referring to the Return. The Hold is almost always going to look worse than the Return.

 

[happygobrokey]

thanks sw, that's what i meant to say but cuddn't figger how to phrase it. what's new, mate? you alrite?

 

[suzy1975]

Has anyone noticed that for about the past 20 days or so (since the last game release) that you can't hit anything at Microgaming casinos? I deposit, lose, deposit, lose, on and on and on and on. I think of the past 20 days I've been up by just a few dollars 1 time depositing about $100 a day. Call it bad luck or whatever but eventually you'd think you'd have to win something. All I know is if a land based casino tightened down like the online casinos have, it'd be a ghost town.

I know they've done something to Hitman to make it just inhale the money, since my $1200 bonus, I've hit free spins 1 time in 20 days, pick a bonus a few times but it's always 2x the bet and PDA once for about 4X my bet. Cashapillar - nothing. Break Da Bank, I give up on that game. Microgaming is advanced enough they should have some way to exclude yourself from certain games like that lousy money sucking bank game. There was talk in the other threads about the AWP or whatever they're called games having some kind of memory for each player, they must've installed that feature in all the slots because you sure can't hit anything on them.

If the other casinos software weren't so damn boring I'd play there, but the few times I've played at the Rivals it's sucked the money right up, and since they're chumming around with the scumbags from 888 I wouldn't touch them with a 20 foot deposit.

HI Brianzzz OMG you are angry. I think you should take a wee break before you lose it altogether and as for break da bank again i find it to be gr8 on occasions and poor on others.

 

[sparkz]

my last and final gamble was possibly the worst luck ever at a microgaming casino, that did partly come into the reason behind me quitting.. only if i had a game log before closing my account in disgust...

i deposited 20, played "classic blackjack" the hands were roughly as follows


2 bet - me:20, dealer:21 (out of 4 cards)
2 bet - me:21 (from 3 cards) dealer:BJ
2 bet - me:10 (then doubled to get 20 as dealer showed a 6) dealer:21 (3 card 21)
2 bet - me:BJ, dealer BJ
2 bet - me:19, dealer:20
2 bet - me:20, dealer:21
4 bet - me:21, dealer:BJ
2 bet - me:17, dealer:18
2 bet - me:19, dealer:20

i was shocked, not only was it constant losses, not 1 win, but it took me less than a minute to lose 20, i wouldnt of cared about losing that money if for example i had won 1 hand of BJ and then gone over to slots and lost it, or came back later to play bj and lost it then as gambling is meant to be fun with a chance of winning but this was no fun and a total loss

combined with all the hassles faced of actually being paid (i.e last 5 times i have cashed out at different casinos from either my own deposit or a no deposit bonus i had been left with hassle and problems that have taken days/weeks to sort out or in 1 case not at all) and days when this sorta thing happens i just dont want to bet or wager any of my money anymore

 

[Vegasbum]

This thread is more than a year old

 

[me_and_ed]

This thread is more than a year old

Thank You, I was about to say that.

 

[sparkz]

lmao id hardly noticed,

i think its pretty funny it was bought up again though, just as my "luck" is that poor,

does sicken me to see microgaming advertising all that progressive rubbish mumbo jumbo, laughable that you clearly see mentions of 1,000,000 jackpots and people that have won it playing 2+ a spin, to be betting that high to start with people who play them must just have the money to throw away thus they wouldnt need a win like that. For every winner theres 1000 losers n all that lol

the modern day odds of gambling and not just MG are utter rubbish if im honest, like with my loss posted above, if i knew that was going to happen then i would just of spent that money on something decent. I though i would be having an hour or so of entertainment but instead was granted with less than 1 minute of hair pulling losses.

if in this incidence i was playing at a real casino or with a real deck, there is probably not even a slight chance of getting that card combination that i recieved (9 times in a row the dealer either beating my 21 with bj, pushing on bj with me, or beating my 20 with 4 cards+), i was simply set to lose. Im almost certain that if for example i had just stuck when i had 15 instead of hitting to 20 then the dealers other card could well of been a 7 thus he would of beaten my with 17, but as i hit to 20 instead i was beaten by 21 thus no win situation.

 

[wayram]

Well Well, I put in a similiar thread three months ago stating that my run of luck had run out and was giving them away after seeing the light..It has been three months and i have kept to my word have not played online slots and even land line slots and it is nice to have bucks back in the pocket instead of giving it all to the casinos..I have played poker on pokerstars and for a couple of bucks some games i have played have lasted up to 4 hours and have been given many tickets into larger tournies...and won a few bucks as well. You can jam the slots you know where at ALL casinos.

 

[sparkz]

dont blame you 1 bit for that,

its even a factor on real slots now as well,

with all these 75 and 200 machines out its impossible to enjoy them, instead of the old days of using a few left after buying a pint at a pub you need to put in at least 6 to even get a bonus. Mostly even nowadays you can guarantee nobody thinks "ill have a few on this fruit machine", instead they typically would spent allday on a machine or until the win a jackpot so potentially anyone else that plays on it wont win jack shit (i know that from the other day, a combined amount of 20 on 2 30p a spin machines, won nothing, no bonuses even)

could just be me but it has felt recently that any type of "gambling" (online casinos, fruit machines) have grown to be "tighter", because generally between a month or 2 ago and a few weeks ago (since the last time i gambled with my money) i have won purely nothing

 

[wayram]

As a VIP Slots member for over 6 years at Crown Casino Melbourne Australia, my last visit was 4 months ago and i lost 500 in 30 minutes playing three lines on the $1 machines which i always play. Normally i would have many drops and 500 would last me for most of the evening and many times build it up so that i would either win a little or break out even. THEY at CROWN have turned the machines right back and it is near impossible to win, there were many complaints from patrons saying the same thing..Online i have had good success over the years but in the last 6 months it is also near impossible to win, thats why there are so many complaints from CM members. Casinos either landbased or online are there to make a profit NOT to keep us gamblers happy..They say the machines are random and cannot be fiddled with....BULLSHIT they are computers and they can turn them back, front and sideways if they want and they do...A guy said to me about six months ago at the pub...you would have to be brain dead to play on a machine that can be programmed the way they want them to be...I have to agree with him !!!!

 

[Mirvel]

%?

Lol cant believe u think the % wil tell you anything.....
I can create a game with 3000% payout and stil make sure u wil not win.....