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Microgaming - Something is not right

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by steveh35, Nov 10, 2010.

    Nov 10, 2010
  1. steveh35

    steveh35 Meister Member

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    I was really hoping I was on a bad streak but in the last few months I have played at various Microgaming Casinos and not won anything never even come close to even exceeding my deposit and this week I am convinced there is something wrong.

    I deposited at Ladbrokes on Saturday £34 got a 100% bonus the money was gone in less than 30 minutes I then received a £25 bonus on Sunday this was gone in 10 minutes today received another £25 bonus again gone in 20 minutes (10 of this playing a tournament).

    I know theres bad luck but i even got down to playing 10 lines at 1p to keep the game play going and still nothing I have been playing on Micrgaming casinos since about 2005 and I have never seen my money go like this last week I won £25 worth of bonus points on Gaming Club again gone within a few minutes.

    I know this has been discussed before and people say that the casinos cannot change the payout ratio without contacting Microgaming but to me since July when I won £1800 and was playing with the money for a week and got the money up from £100 now I don't get 30 minutes play.
     
  2. Nov 10, 2010
  3. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    That's the problem, you answered your own question. £25, £34... That's just
    not enough to hit good wins unless your really lucky and bet $5 on the first
    slot you played and got the bonus round.

    As stated in your quote up above, you won £1,800 from a £100 deposit.
    £100 deposit makes it a lot easier to win £1,800.

    I guess it's all about chances. You have more chances to win with more of
    a deposit based on more chances to spin the reels at an ample bet size.

    £24, £34 is just to low to start off with.
     
  4. Nov 10, 2010
  5. steveh35

    steveh35 Meister Member

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    The first deposit was £34 plus 100% so it was £68 and as i play mainly 75p to £1 but I have mostly played this way I only played the £100 because it was on a casino after I had won on the free hour play and only needed to deposit £20 to get £100 free.
     
  6. Nov 10, 2010
  7. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    I understand now. I stopped the small depositing and only
    deposit between $150 - $200 at any Microgaming casino
    because I find that it's way to easy to lose small deposits.
    My method has been working so far for me.

    I deposit around $150 - $200 and bet at max $5 per spin.

    Bonus rounds usually pay a lot more at $5 a spin.

    I don't take any bonuses because I don't like having a big chained
    metal ball attached to my money that can only be released
    after I run around the track 500 times. :D
     
  8. Nov 10, 2010
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    You're thinking of RTG, Microgaming operators CANNOT change the payouts at all. Not even MICROGAMING change the payouts across the board.

    Published aggregate payout figures (monthly & audited) suggested that MGS slots pay at about 95%. This was verified by a detailed study some years ago, gathering the reel strips, and calculating the RTP for those slots where everything was visible (such as free spins). From this, it turned out that MGS slots vary about 1% either side of 95%, if anything many pay more, rather than less. For progressives, the 95% figure INCLUDES the contributions to the pool, and base game payouts are lower, 88% in the case of Mega Moolah, which was calculated using reel strips.

    Depending on which slot is played, this can happen, and quite often too. The higher the variance, the more likely you are to see £68 vanish in as little as 10 minutes.

    During the 32Red slotsmeister, I often play Thunderstruck variants at 9p per spin. Sometimes, I have seen £50 hoovered up in a VERY short space of time, and in little over 1000 spins. This is certainly not the norm, but neither can it be classed as "rare". Equally, I have won £100, even £200, on nothing but 9p spins due to a sequence of high paying free spins rounds. Had I not been playing the slotsmeister, I could easily have withdrawn £200, even £300 once, from a £50 deposit and only 9p spins.

    £1800 from a £100 balance is pretty good (did it myself last week as a matter of fact:D) Found the cashout button at £1800 (unlike the previous week:oops: for which I was duly reprimanded)

    £1800 would fund 36 £50 deposits, and if each was done with a 100% bonus would provide £3600 spread out into 36 separate attempts to win again.

    I have found that MGS can go "on the suck" in one place, but switching between both games and casinos (and different bonus offers) spreads the risk, and often there is the opportunity to cash out. The problem is IDENTIFYING that opportunity, and at the RIGHT TIME. The desire to press home the advantage can sometimes reap rewards, but equally can lead to ruin. This desire to run with a winning streak, rathet than cash out immediately, is how casinos make their money. We know that players who DO work out where the cashout button is, and USE it whenever they can, often get accusations of "bonus abuser", "advantage player", "not playing within the spirit of...." thrown at them.
     
  10. Nov 10, 2010
  11. steveh35

    steveh35 Meister Member

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    I mainly played Mad Hatters, Big Kahuna Snakes and Ladders, Wheel Of Wealth and Multi Player Wheel Of Wealth, also tried Monster In The Closet on Gaming Club.
     
  12. Nov 10, 2010
  13. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    I received a 10 ndb from Desert Dollar once and withdrew just over £1000, I deposited £25 at Zodiac and capped just over 2k and withdrew £1500, these are just 2 examples your assessment of MGS casinos could not be more wrong.
     
  14. Nov 10, 2010
  15. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    Just a quick question to Vinyl, in those audits VWM is the cash won from PJP`s taken into consideration?, if so this would considerably lower the actual % won by the individual player.
     
  16. Nov 10, 2010
  17. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    A tip, if you are playing with small deposits avoid all those slots like the plague, play the 15 lines dual bonus slots Mermaids Millions or Bush Telegraph are excellent, if you start to get consistent hits of respins on MM gradually raise your stake until they slow down, never play Big Kahuna until you can afford at least .90p a spin, and hits like this will happen, notice also it`s at Ladbrokes...

    View attachment 23934
     
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  19. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    Yeah but realistically speaking, $10, $25 dollar deposits are super
    tough to make into $1000-$2000 withdraws at any casino.

    By the way Seventh, above is an excellent strategy. I agree with
    you about avoiding those slots if you can't afford at least 90c a spin.
     
  20. Nov 10, 2010
  21. steveh35

    steveh35 Meister Member

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    I asked a few weeks ago for people to say which games they thought were best to pay at low stakes and high so Seventh 777 what would your ideal play be for say a £30 deposit where would you start and what would you move onto and which games have obvious patterns that you can think yes i should lower or higher the stake?

    Thanks in advance.:)

    The only slot machine i could ever manipulate was in the high street and that was The Golden Game a slot machine that if you knew how to use it would reward you handsomely sometimes amusing to sit by the machine and see people who had no clue about its tricks.
     
  22. Nov 10, 2010
  23. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    The next 3 screenies prove 2 things, 1 - when MM is hot it is by far the best slot that MGS have to offer, 2 - It clearly depicts how starting balance has nothing to do with overall winnings, notice my balance from 1-3 screenshots....

    View attachment 23935

    View attachment 23936

    View attachment 23937

    I picked these 3 screenies as they all show awesome hits, and a session where I won just under £1900 with a starting balance of around £15.

    Hope this proves my points ;).
     
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  25. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    My game play on a 30 balance would begin with MM if she was cold then I would try Bush Telegraph, it`s not often that either of these two would yield no returns, if they start performing keep with them but carry on raising your stake, if you get to around 200 then Dino Might at 250 a spin, if the scatters are few and far between leave it, if they start hitting ie x2 every 2-3 spins, keep with it until you hit the bonus, if you hit the bonus stay with it as when this slot is hot it will pop again very soon.

    If all has gone well here you will now have around 500, if so, the next slot is Reel Strike, again it will soon be known if she is hot, unlike the others if you hit a quick bonus say for a £1.50 spin then immediately double your stake, if within 10 spins you hit again rinse and repeat, I won just over 2 grand on Reel strike once in under 5 minutes ;).

    Hope this helps and gl:).
     
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  26. Nov 10, 2010
  27. blacklabrador

    blacklabrador Banned User - chargebacks - multiple banned forum

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    I cashed out a cool $800 last night on Isis, started playing for .75 a spin, hit a few bonus rounds, then started bumping my bets until i was playing for $2.50. Nailed 3 bonus rounds at that level , cashed out and left $50 in to play with. I am on the US watered down microgaming site though, Riverbelle. Some say its watered down but I cash out just as much if not more after the switch.
     
  28. Nov 10, 2010
  29. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    Well yes, ofc they are very hard to bump up to a few grand;), but in the good old days it happened, and happened on a regular basis (if you played at several different casinos), I am 100% with Steveh on this one though, there has been significant changes in overall wins and wagering amounts, now the only way I can think of that has kept the books balanced is either more players are playing tourneys, or as I asked VWM that more players are playing PJP`s, imagine how much a 1 million win would raise the overall payout percentage ;).

    /cheers
     
  30. Nov 10, 2010
  31. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

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    There are still some MGS casinos out there that yield awesome returns ;), the next one I will have a run at will be Betway, I signed there a few weeks on a banner that gave 25 FS on LotR, long story short I managed a mind boggling £6700 wagering amount that never capped over £250, I have played at Betways sister site - Gnuf, where it wasn`t that bad tbh, but as is the norm with all MGS groups, we all narrow them down to that special one;).

    /cheers
     
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  33. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    Sorry Seventh, but I'd have to disagree with you about the
    slot "Reel Strike". That's probably the crappiest slot you could
    recommend. The bonus signs have to all be lined up, all five.
    They give you the notion that it's easy to hit but it's damn near impossible.

    Also, I tried your $30 on MM or Telebush if MM is not hitting
    and it didn't help either. As a matter of fact I tried it twice.

    The bonus round in MM where you pick the chest does not pay
    out substantially.

    Every gambler who had some luck on a few slots consecutively
    always believe that the lightning can strike twice.

    If you have desktop recording capabilities, can you show
    me your strategy in action with $30 to start off with?
     
  34. Nov 11, 2010
  35. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Not Pie Factory then:confused:

    Vamp it up? (bottom feature when red)

    Rat Pack (could get expensive)

    Just the ticket (and it most certainly was:D).

    My best memories though are of the serial programming incompetence with ACE games, especially Pay Rise. It became hard to find a Pay Rise that WASN'T empty:p Fortunately, the Lake District was too far for those "Chavs" that regularly came in from the cities to do them - too far, and too few ways to get up there.

    At one point, I wondered about going full time as a "Fruitie pro". I didn't, and it didn't last. There is little skill now, and much more reliance is placed on knowing an insider. There have been cases where fruit machine programmers have been "busted" and charged over coding the "emptiers".

    Golden Game - I never had the chance to "do" one, but I knew how to check the version for "doability". If it paid out in bursts of £3 - walk away. bursts of £2, good to go. It was about deliberately rejecting the low £5 XXX wins, and going for the "Golden Game".

    Now what about the online casinos, don't think for one minute that there are no "manipulators" online. Rigged software is the best place to find them, and they can even crop up in the most respectable softwares.

    An "emptier" for ThrillX Blackjack has been carelessly revealed by a casino rep at another forum. They should have paid the player(s) and quietly banned them (like Microgaming did;) in 2006) rather than reveal that there was a "cheat" in the software.

    Fruit machine methods and emptiers exist because the games are RIGGED to play to a set RTP, rather than being random. The software has to continually keep track of what has gone in, and been paid out, and then use complex algorithms to produce a "random" experience for the player. Emptiers are the result of a software flaw that does NOT track a specific win, or sequence of events producing a win. In Pay Rise, it was the failure to track wins produced from the "find the pea" feature, which was pretty easy to get, and add them to the tally of what had been paid out. The result is an empty machine that thinks it has just taken £100 in without paying a PENNY out - it can be rather amusing to see how the machine behaves once it is empty and other players are on it, or better still, the owner/manager of the premises is watching:D
     
  36. Nov 11, 2010
  37. colly

    colly Senior Member MM PABaccred

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    I find MCG slots for me are either hot or freezing! mermaids millions- never hit anything worth a cashout have had a few 1000 plus cashouts on stash of the titans and the one with the coloured cars - but both of these are high variance and when they are cold they are icey. Winning wizards will usually give a decent run.

    one thing I have learn't (even though i don't always listen) it's a lot easier to cashout 500 through 5 casinos at a 100 than one at 500!:notworthy

    cheers
    colly
     
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  39. leonardo99

    leonardo99 Senior Member MM PABaccred webmeister

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    Very True. :D
    I prefer to try to cashout small amounts from diferent casinos versus trying to reach big amounts (balance will show 0$ in 99% of these situations).
    But still have problems with my autocontrol..I reached few times 250-400$ with 20$ deposits...but not cashout because I tryed to earn more...until my balance was 0$..
     

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