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Software Complaint Microgaming Misrepresents Progressive Odds

Discussion in 'Other Complaints' started by petro, Aug 25, 2014.

    Aug 25, 2014
  1. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    The Mega Moolah progressive wheel represents 20 possibilities. One of which wins a 1 million dollar jackpot.
    I suggest that this is a misleading depiction of the player’s odds of winning the mega jackpot.
    It’s not too hard to get a shot at the progressive on the Mega Moolah games and if the actual odds of getting the mega jackpot were 1 in 20 then Microgaming casinos would go broke - fast.

    The player’s odds of winning should be represented fairly. I can imagine just how many people would be fooled by that wheel thinking that their chances are good.

    For instance, if you play a bonus game where you roll a die and a chart says if you roll a 6 you get the top prize. That should mean there is a 1/6 chance of winning the top prize, not 1 in 60, or 1 in 600.

    The ones primarily responsible for this (assuming I’m correct and I’m very sure I am) are Microgaming as they are the ones who made the misleading representation.

    It’s also breaking this law:
    Nevada Gaming Control Board regulation 14.040.2(b) states...
    "For gaming devices that are representative of live gambling games, the mathematical probability of a symbol or other element appearing in a game outcome must be equal to the mathematical probability of that symbol or element occurring in the live gambling game. For other gaming devices, the mathematical probability of a symbol appearing in a position in any game outcome must be constant."
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  2. Aug 25, 2014
  3. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Well, for starters I'm not sure how it's breaking the law, unless you can show the casino in question is bound by Nevada law.
    Second, showing a true representation of the wheel is most likely logistically impossible unless you've a monitor perhaps the size of a stadium tv. That's not even addressing live gaming vs electronic gaming and semantics. Additionally in almost all video slots, bonus rounds aren't in any way representative. For example, generally speaking, what you pick during a bonus round has zero bearing on your outcome as the outcome has been determined well before you chose by the RNG.
     
  4. Aug 25, 2014
  5. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    Yes, this did cross my mind when I was writing it and Microgaming are probably not bound by Nevada law. Still, there should be laws restricting these kinds of things because its deception. As I said in my first post; there would be players who would actually believe that’s what the odds are.

    It took me 2 seconds to think of a logistically possible depiction. It can draw lottery balls that could reflect the actual odds of winning.

    I don’t think any of this is true. I can provide some evidence backing this up if you want. Depending upon what you term by "video slots."
     
  6. Aug 25, 2014
  7. NohchiPlayer

    NohchiPlayer Experienced Member

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    Do you say its not hard to get into the mega moolah bonus round? I NEVER got it. I played at maxbet for hundred of spins and never got it.
    I only once got the wheel at the dark knight after playing 6 euro a spin for 20 minuts. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Aug 25, 2014
  9. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Hardly think its breaking the law. And its not just microgaming most softwares have something similar. Theres games like millionaire club mega fortune etc. that all have similar jackpot wheels. Think just about everyone who plays slots would know that just because there are maybe 20 segments you do not have a 1 in 20 chance of hitting millions. Its just eye candy as it would not look very good if it represented the real chance as you would need a huge wheel and would not even be able to see the jackpot spot on it it would be so small.
     
  10. Aug 25, 2014
  11. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    That quote starts by saying "live gambling games" - slots don't fall into that category. That would mean table games only.

    In any event, the last sentence (which I bolded) covers the Mega-Moolah Jackpot Wheel.
    The odds are constant - it's just that MG don't tell anyone what they are!

    KK
     
  12. Aug 25, 2014
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    To be fair I think no player would expect reasonably to have a 5% chance of a 7-figure JP based on a visual depiction of a wheel.
    It's the same on all the Wheel-of-Fortune type games too.
    Technically the law you mention isn't breached - firstly there aren't really 'live' versions of slots - it seems this caveat applies to visual variations of fixed-odds games like roulette and poker and BJ etc.
    Secondly the last clearly applies to reel maps on slots and not add-ons arising from those reels, (but not represented by those reels) i.e. bonus wheels.
    If this law WAS being breached, then NV would soon have the biggest heap of scrapped slot machines imaginable.
     
  14. Aug 25, 2014
  15. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    If you follow the link to The Wizard of Odds site and see the information in context you would agree that the law covers slots.
     

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