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Question MG Free spin rounds?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by JackMack, Mar 14, 2015.

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Have MG slots always played the same?

  1. The RTP is lower than it used to be

    19 vote(s)
    43.2%
  2. Free spins rounds are less frequent

    20 vote(s)
    45.5%
  3. Retriggers are less frequent

    15 vote(s)
    34.1%
  4. RTP is the same

    15 vote(s)
    34.1%
  5. Free spins are the same

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%
  6. Retriggers are the same

    9 vote(s)
    20.5%
  7. RTP is higher now

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Free spins are more frequent now

    2 vote(s)
    4.5%
  9. Retrigger are more frequent now

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
    Mar 14, 2015
  1. JackMack

    JackMack Banned User - troll, flaming, being a dick

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    As rare as rocking horse s**t I'd say.

    Old man voice> I remember when you used to be able to hit free spin rounds fairly regularly and not only that retriggers were reasonably common.
    Deposits would usually yield good game time overall and going 500 spins without hitting a free spin round was very rare, going 1,000 spins was pretty much unheard of.

    These days it is a regular occurrence and you can a dozen sessions without seeing a retrigger - but nothing has changed?

    Of course it has! (IMO :cool:)
    For me this is absolute proof that the game don't play as we are told.
    That the reel layouts are irrelevant to actual probability of hitting combinations regardless of whether they tally with the paytable and TRTP or not.

    There is a variance algorithm that can be changed as well as the TRTP value, no doubt about it.

    I would guess that variance overall is now much higher and TRTP a little lower. If it was 97% for a game it is now 93% for example.
    Overall result much shorter game time for our money but the slightly more occasional decent win.

    I just completed 2,000 spins on Immortal Romance and triggered the free spins 3 times, just once in the last 1,300 spins.
    They payed an average of around x20 bet.
    If you play Immortal Romance you will also know you can go 50 to 100 spins without returning more than your bet back.
    It's a fairly high variance slot and you can hit big wins but the death streaks are unnatural.
    The thing is that is a fairly typical game these days.
    The worse I ever did years ago (When all MG casino were download and before all lines pay slots were even a twinkle in MG's eye) was go just over 800 spins on a slot which I've forgotten the name of (so long since I played it but it was a car themed game) and that was an absolute shock at the time as I had played tens of thousands of spins without going that long to hit free spins.
    These days if I am lucky enough to get a game and get ahead it is almost guaranteed that a run like that will come along sooner rather than later.

    If you have been playing online MG slots for many years have you noticed any difference in the how games play?
    Do you find free spin triggers or retriggers are much rarer?
    Maybe you think they play better?

    The poll is multiple choice so check all the boxes you think are relevant.
     
  2. Mar 14, 2015
  3. Dagobert

    Dagobert Senior Member PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

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    We talket about this in another tread, but more slot specific. (The fiber reels of lide) I am convinced they are set for a higher RTP on release then what it is intended to normally pay. This also goes for other software and landbased. When we had landbased here in Norway this was the case.

    Anybody else heard of this practice?
    -D-

     
  4. Mar 14, 2015
  5. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Last night:

    32RED
    Thunderstruck II
    1750 spins
    2 rounds of free spins, payout - 12.40$ and 16.50$
    3 wild features - paid ZERO
    Loss: 1400$

    'nuff said!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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  6. Mar 14, 2015
  7. cheekymonkey

    cheekymonkey Ueber Meister

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    You waited 1750 spins before realising it was playing tight? I would have moved on much earlier.
     
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  8. Mar 14, 2015
  9. chris87

    chris87 Senior Member

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    Yep, see my comments on the Casino Cruise BBF. MG slots have been brutal for me this week, I counted 500 spins at £1.50 before a bonus was triggered last night which paid £5.00!

    Many say if a slots' not paying switch like above, but I tend to stick it out like Harry, because if you switch it can be as bad whereas if you stick, my theory is the eventually it may come good to balance the RTP. This theory may be flawed, but I've found that if a casino (software provider) wants to take your money you'll get a bad round on whatever game you play.

    A theory I've also put forward here in the past is that if you get a good win on say MG, the MG slots tend to be dead at whatever casino you play at for a while, but particularly at the casino you won at. I've no data to back this up, but it certainly feels that way.

    Chris
     
  10. Mar 14, 2015
  11. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    My brother messages me every night on Facebook, complaining about TSII. Sending me pictures of his countless spins and zero wins. He says he thinks the game is broke lately because it is so tight, and he can't even get free spins to begin with.
    I told him he must have something missing in his brain; that part that would tell the ordinary man or woman to STOP PLAYING THAT SHITE :mad: :lolup:

    Goes for you too Harry_BKK. Stay away from it, imagine the fun you could've had on other games :(
     
  12. Mar 14, 2015
  13. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

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    Guess how i lost it, of course with medium - high bets. Started with 3$ bets and got a modest win in free spins after some 70 spins. The soon i went on 4.50-9.00$ bets i didn't see poxy 5 x 10 in a row which pays 3 x bet on TSII.

    I must be the expert in small bets wins. Today after the slaughtering last night i went on to Live Chat and Shaun gave me 50 FS on Lucky Leprechaun. Got 10$ from them and went on to Centre Court and made it with bets between 0.09-.045$ to 150$ (this slot has been hot this week, had a 700x bet pay in free spins 2 days earlier on Lucky247).

    So back to ThunderstruckII and 16 times free spins and 2 x times retrigger in the free spins, total 18 rounds in less than 1000 spins, all with bets between 0.60-1.80$. Balance peaked at 1100$. Tried medium bets again @ 3$ and 200$ disappeared within 80 spins.

    Balance now 900$ from a measly 10 bucks!!!


    Yesterday with 4.50-9.00$ bets i wouldn't get once free spins in 500 spins and a balance of 1300$ disappeared in no time!!! Go figure!!! It just doesn't pay to bet high!!!
     
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  14. Mar 14, 2015
  15. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    24 hours ago I would have agreed with every 'negative' and 'moan' in this thread.

    Every time I have a handful of back-to-back bad deposits/runs I cannot help thinking this way, convincing myself of all sorts (eg: since UK law changed...etc etc)

    However it seemed last nights deposit at 32 Red was 'back to the good old days'

    £20 Deposit, £20 Bonus, over 5 hours play time which included:-

    IR - 3 x Troy features, 2 x Sarah and 1 x Michael in about 300 spins (best return 120x) also 3 WD (2 lots of x30 and 1 £0)

    Untamed Wolf - £71 FS round (30p bet)

    Jurassic Park - 3 or 4 x60ish 'drop ins', Veliciraptor (x30), Brachio (x20) and Dilopho (x334)!

    TS II - Nowt exciting but did trigger bonus 3 times in about 100 spins

    Thunderstruck (27p) triple 'retrigger' disappointing @ 100x but shows it does retrigger I s'pose

    Dark Knight (game I rarely play) quick 75x and 150x and couple of BR

    Played a few more and the only ones which seemed drier than Ghandis Flip Flop were Playboy and TFROL so I abandoned ship very quickly on these.

    Cashed out £250 and left £30 to play which has nulled all conspiracy theories for now, Im sure I'll be soon back to singing from the other hymn sheet very soon :p
     
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  16. Mar 14, 2015
  17. everyday

    everyday Experienced Member

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    I agree with your theory completely. Having played MG exclusively for 10 years now, the last 16 months have been horrendous. I remember the good old days when a $100 deposit could last for at least an hour or more, getting small wins and free spins to keep the enjoyment going. This is no longer the case. You can kiss your deposit goodbye in less than 5 minutes now, regardless of how many different slots you switch to. Moving on to a different MG casino does not make any difference either. When they're dead, they're all dead. Never mind knowing you may not see any kind of win, but the enjoyment factor has been taken away as well. Glad to see I'm not the only one having this experience.
     
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  18. Mar 14, 2015
  19. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Scratch my earlier post, Just suffered from the usual 'next day deadness' always get gobbled up in minutes when I leave a balance of any kind from the previous days deposits :)

    Having had more time to think about it and read the latest post above this one I am in total agreement. You can still have the odd 'good day' like I did yesterday but they are few and far between compared to the good old 50/50ish of days gone by:rolleyes:
     
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  20. Mar 14, 2015
  21. bruinsdude

    bruinsdude Senior Member MM

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    Tried $50 (with $50 more bonus) at 32 red last night.

    Same ol same ol for MG slots. I feel like 1 out of 10 deposits quickly brings you over the $300-$400 mark, lets you fester there a while, and then slowly but consistently brings you back down to zero. The other 9 you lose fast, end of story. Last night I got to play for maybe 30 minutes with my $100

    The odd time, say 1 in 40 or 50 deposits, a big one will trigger an avalanche of consecutive wins, bring you down a bit, and then build you up some more. I usually get off of the ride and W/d at around $2000-$2500

    This is all based on a consistent average bet of $1.20 a spin, and mostly $50 deposits.

    MG def feels more programmed and predictable than other software. I have been on a real NetEnt kick since November, so I cannot confirm what is being said about it being dead totally now for a while. I can confirm a 2k+ cashout from MG slots in December.
     
  22. Mar 14, 2015
  23. Shorty

    Shorty Experienced Member

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    That is what i always think when i see someone going through thousand spins without a feature...
     
  24. Mar 14, 2015
  25. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    I am going to do a new multiple choice poll shortly:

    x Do you wear a foil hat while you play?
    x Do you only put it on afterwards?
    x Do you prefer antennae on it or plain?
    x Do you prefer coloured foil or plain silver?
    x Have you ever questioned RTP after winning?
    x Do you believe the CEO's of Microgaming casinos meet in secret and turn into lizards?
    x Does it always rain after you have lost?
    x When you have a bad session, do you believe everyone else has too?
    x Do you have an irrational hatred of the little pixie that casinos employ to tweak your RTP?
    x Do you blame Vladimir Putin for everything?

    :p
     
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  26. Mar 14, 2015
  27. hedgehok

    hedgehok Senior Member mm3

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    Come on guys - tinfoil mode on!?
    I had 100 free spins on lucky leprechaun the other day and it gave me like 4,23€ and after this I played with real money and hit the free spins and hat a massive win.
    For us mortals it's simply impossible to prove if there is something systematically wrong. If you can afford to spin like 10,000,000 times with different betting amounts there might be possibilities to prove something.

    Like dunover said " x Do you wear a foil hat while you play?"
     
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  28. Mar 14, 2015
  29. Captain Chaos

    Captain Chaos Senior Member webby

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    It's exactly the same as its always been! I've had sessions before with IR where I have spun for £6 per spin and over 400 spins had two FS triggers and BOTH were 4 scatters. I've never seen that before. I've even had S**tstorm trigger 3 times in a row for no pay on low bets and back to back WD on high bets. What people appear to be experiencing is the high varience these games typically have. If I can hit these in a session, or I can hit a crazy run if FS triggers then it's completely natural and fully expected that these events will occur. If they didn't, then something would be wrong. Because these wild swings can only logically happen in a random game tbh. Trying to find patterns in random data is hopeless!

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  30. Mar 14, 2015
  31. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

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    The points Dunover raised are flippant and nonsensical.

    Everyone knows plain silver is the only one to choose!
     
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  32. Mar 14, 2015
  33. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    This 'debate' will go on forever from the most hardened 'conspiracy theorists' to those who rib the pee outta those who 'believe in fairies etc'

    Can see both sides of the coin and as long as forums exist, then so will the tampering or RTP's and production of foil hats in numerous sizes.

    Not sure which side of the fence to sit on :p would love to see some proof one day that 'aliens actually Do exist'

    Guess I'll have to look forward to the next thread on this topic in a few days time:rolleyes:
     
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  34. Mar 14, 2015
  35. Greigssy

    Greigssy Senior Member

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    I don't believe the slots can and have been tweaked.

    I've played MGS for 8 years and the variance model definitely changed on the introduction of Thunderstruck 2 then Immortal Romance and the non stop glut of 243 way slots, the trigger for free spins was still averaging the same at 150 spins.

    But in the last year the newer slots, in my own personal experience, are working from a different maths model and variance. The free spins triggering seems to be different, triggering on average around the 250 to 300 spins range.

    I noticed also the average win, on the new slots in free spins/bonus rounds seems to be higher, a lot of wins around the 20-30x bet range.
     
  36. Mar 16, 2015
  37. JackMack

    JackMack Banned User - troll, flaming, being a dick

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    I think I will do one (multiple choice because you may need two answers :thumbsup:)
    x Are you a troll
    x Are you a shill troll?


    I think the idea that it is tinfoil hat to have a poll that includes options to vote the RTP is higher etc and have give all the freedom to vote as they choose is the real tinfoil hat paranoia.
    Let people express an opinion or maybe you believe you have special knowledge?
    Also the idea that the TRTP of slots cannot be and is never changed (up or down) is a tale for children to believe - I guess that makes you special. ;)
     
  38. Mar 16, 2015
  39. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

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    I must confess that from my couple of years here that Dunover is probably the most un- troll commenter I have seen on these boards and a highly respected contributor to these and any other discussions.

    If anything he says it how it is and I believe that he was merely jesting in that post, non?
     

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