MG Bonussystem playthrough requirements

Chipeez

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* Bonus amounts credited to a Players bonus account are subject to 30 times play through before they may be cashed in.
* Take note that some games played may contribute a different percentage of the wager - up to 100%, towards the required wagering:
* Slots, American Roulette and Parlor Games count full (100%) to wagering requirements.
* Table Poker, all Roulettes (excluding American Roulette), Casino War and Sicbo count a quarter (25%) to wagering requirements.
* Video Poker, all Blackjacks (except Classic Blackjack), Craps, Baccarat count a twentieth (5%) to wagering requirements
* Classic Blackjack counts a fiftieth (2%) to wagering requirements.

These are the recent playthrough requirements for bonuses recieved at most microgaming casinos. Now they used to say that "non risk bets" didn't count towards your playthrough, but since the new bonussystem this line has been removed from the promotional t/c. (or I'm really blind)

Now if you read the rules it says American Roulette is allowed and counts 100% towards wagering. The strange thing is of course that this would allow you to play red/black bet to clear bonuses.

I agree you could fall under the bonus abuser rule, but why not include a line that those non-risk bets are just not allowed? Otherwise you can always get discussion about "You're a bonus abuser/no I'm not!...

Or perhaps I'm thinking too much about this and would it be no problem to play roulette to clear your bonus.. And would the casino hope you hit the green 0 or 00?
 

aka23

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American Roulette has a house edge of 2/38 = 5.26%. With a 30x playthrough, you are expected to lose ~1.6x the bonus. If you bet on both red and black, you are expected to make a loss while playing through the bonus.

French Roulette is a different story. With most weightings, you would be expected to make a gain playing through the bonus. Some players do make simultaneous winning and losing bets on this game, and reputable MG casinos usually pay their winnings. However, these players may be labeled as bonus abusers and be denied from all future promotions with the casino group.

I recommend avoiding these so-called "no risk bets".
 

vinylweatherman

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There is little need to fall into this trap. Betting only on one of the outcomes (Red or Black, odd or even, etc) has an identical house edge. With a small enough bet compared to WR, the variance is unlikely to prove a disaster, as these are nearly 50/50 outcomes. The case with French Roulette is different, in that the house edge on an even money bet is modified by the rule that returns half your wager should the single zero come up. Under the 50% weighting rule, this leads to a gain. These modified weightings seem to come from MG casinos that give larger bonuses. Grand Prive seem to lavish bonuses on players, however the weightings are even worse than above, with table games a mere 10%, and forget Blackjack and Video Poker for clearing the bonus. Grand Prive clearly intend that slots play is the order of the day for players that actually want a chance of withdrawing much of the bonus money.

BelleRock seem to have the best weightings for non-slots players, 66% at the tables, with Blackjack and VP at 33%. Bonuses are far smaller though.
 

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Or perhaps I'm thinking too much about this and would it be no problem to play roulette to clear your bonus.. And would the casino hope you hit the green 0 or 00?
Please don't be another 'saddo'.

Even if Roulette is allowed, and you do 'clear' the bonus this way - what's the point?
Statistically you will only end up with a tiny fraction of the bonus money, and will have got no playing pleasure in the process. :(

As I've said before, you may just as well deposit without a bonus, get your bankroll up 20% (not that difficult) and quit.

So I say to you and anyone else trying to work out ways to 'clear WR' with minimum risk, please don't.
Take the bonuses & use them in the spirit they were given - have fun and make profit.
That's exactly what I do 8 out of every 9 months! :cool:

PS: There is no such thing as a 'no risk' bet on any casino game! :p
 

vinylweatherman

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Please don't be another 'saddo'.

Even if Roulette is allowed, and you do 'clear' the bonus this way - what's the point?
Statistically you will only end up with a tiny fraction of the bonus money, and will have got no playing pleasure in the process. :(

As I've said before, you may just as well deposit without a bonus, get your bankroll up 20% (not that difficult) and quit.

So I say to you and anyone else trying to work out ways to 'clear WR' with minimum risk, please don't.
Take the bonuses & use them in the spirit they were given - have fun and make profit.
That's exactly what I do 8 out of every 9 months! :cool:

PS: There is no such thing as a 'no risk' bet on any casino game! :p

I expect this was the intention behind this new bonus system, on top of removing the idea of banned games, the weightings are intended to give the player of no-risk bets a small loss, but not so much that players who play "properly" in the eyes of the casino have little chance of winning.
Unfortunately, the initial defaults let French Roulette through as a small exploit. Even with this in place, casinos are looking for this pretty obvious style of play, and will rumble you on the first deposit, thus making is unlikely further bonuses will be allowed.
 

lojo

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At least they don't allow even money bets on craps @100%.

Here's a challenge for the savvy player; get your 30x 400% initital deposit bonus at sunvegas without playing Loaded with the 'free spins'... um, never mind, you'll probably have to play loaded to get it at $10,000 playthrough in 30 minutes.

JPF doesn't make you jump through these hoops, they just give you a huge bonus to deposit and play there, and they don't bitch and whine when you claim the money. THAT is a stand up group who will see my action for a long time. I'm sure that if their offer were 'abused' they would put on the 'bad hat', but that's what keeps them profitable and able to offer transparent and lucrative bonuses.

KK said it all
Take the bonuses & use them in the spirit they were given - have fun and make profit.
 

Chipeez

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Please don't be another 'saddo'.

Not sure what that means, but I would guess for something like sad person?
If so, I'm not planning on being a saddo.. :)

The reason I asked is the following..

I've signed up and recieved a 100% match for $100. After playing slots for some time I was up $150 with $70 in my bonusaccount. Now there was two things I could do.. (assuming I didn't want to risk loosing all back on slots)

1. Cash out 280 (350-70)

2. Play 21 $50 red/black bets and cash in 350..

It's not that I would like to abuse bonuses, but it just got me thinking.. :)
 

lojo

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I think that if you play in the spirit of the game, you will be fine! If you like their games and would play at the casino regardless of the bonus, go full tilt boogie. If they are worth their salt they won't abuse you. Like Momma used to say, 'let your conscience be your guide'.

Good luck:thumbsup:
 

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2. Play 21 $50 red/black bets and cash in 350..
More often than not, you wouldn't have $350 after playing 21 red/black bets. You mentioned American Roulette, which has 2 zeros. So you have a 1/19 chance of hitting 0 or 00 and losing the full $50*2 bet.

Note that this is a hypothetical discussion. There are several other reasons why a player would want to avoid such bets, which have been touched on earlier.
 

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I've signed up and recieved a 100% match for $100. After playing slots for some time I was up $150 with $70 in my bonusaccount. Now there was two things I could do.. (assuming I didn't want to risk losing all back on slots)

1. Cash out 280 (350-70)

2. Play 21 $50 red/black bets and cash in 350..

It's not that I would like to abuse bonuses, but it just got me thinking.. :)
Ah, that's a bit different. I understand now. That's not sad.
I have frequently found myself in the same position, but I have never yet succumbed to cashing out & forfeiting the rest of the bonus. *
I have sometimes tried low-edge cards (not blackjack), but they usually do my head in & take the pee - so I end up back on the slots anyway! ;)

* A good idea for a poll!
 

vinylweatherman

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I have had considerable success betting low on slots, and I mean LOW!

Recent runs, relative to stake size, have been fantastic.

Last week, I went for the promo at Jackpot Factory on the new "Jackpot Factory" slot. I bet in the range 0.30 to 0.75, with a spell at the end on 1.50 (per spin). I ended up 300 up, having peaked 500 up, and managed to wager over 7,000 in the process (this would clear an EZBonus balance of 7000/30, or /$230. Today, on one account spinning Thunderstruck at 0.18 (in a tournament lasting all day), I have wagered nearly 4000, am ahead some 200 on the day, and am placed third. I have just had to restart the slot while writing this, as I have had my THIRD monster bonus round at 103 (from an 0.18 bet!). This has to have been something pretty major, but sadly I missed it. It's not always like that, another entry started with 300 of bonus cash and I lost the lot at 0.27 and 0.45 per spin.
On Monday, a similar tactic on Munchkins netted me 300 back of my 400 deposit, and over 500 in prize money as a bonus to use in todays tournament. I may well be able to retrieve 300 in a cashout, plus perhaps 200 or more of further prize money for Monday.


In short, I would attempt to polish off this kind of bonus betting really small on a few of the slots with free spins, hoping that I will have a largely break even experience. Sometimes, I try the 3 reel slots like Double Magic on the lowest 0.25 bet, or Sonic Boom at 0.05 or 0.10 I often set autoplay to limit deviation to around 25, and then move on, or if I win, have another go, perhaps cutting the loss limit down to 10.
As well as finishing the WR, there is the chance of a modestly decent hit to add to the bonus you are trying to get at.

An alternative, better if most of the bankroll is bonus, is to hit one of the slots that are not too tight with fre spins with a small number of spins with a fairly chunky bet. I prefer Munchkins for this, perhaps at between 4 and 11 per spin, hoping for a decent bonus round. If the slot is loose enough, it will deliver, possibly even a series of bonus rounds. Naturally, there is a high risk of losing the lot pretty quickly.
 

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And once you get there:notworthy take the occasional profit and bet the barn!!!
 

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