MG Bonus Account Casinos in Reputable Casinos Section?!?

DealerBusts

Dormant account
I just noticed that casinos such as Aztec Riches and Golden Reef are in the reputatable casinos section. This is despite the fact that they have bonus accounts and refuse to disclose the rate at which money is transferred from the bonus account to the real account. I thought this was really detrimental towards the interest of the player? Bryan, why are you recommending these casinos?
 

Thythe

Dormant account
I think he probably makes his recommendations based on if they pay on time, offer a fair game, don't cheat the player, etc, not on how good the bonus is. I think the bonus is terrible, but that shouldn't affect if a casino is "reputable" or not.
 

Black21Jack

Dormant account
Thythe said:
I think he probably makes his recommendations based on if they pay on time, offer a fair game, don't cheat the player, etc, not on how good the bonus is. I think the bonus is terrible, but that shouldn't affect if a casino is "reputable" or not.
I totally agree. You can't call a casino bad simply because you don't like the bonus. Just don't claim the bonus or go somewhere where you like their bonus offering. Exactly what Thythe said, if they pay the players with no hassles and the gameplay seems fair then they are a good casino.
 

Vesuvio

Dormant account
I agree with the original poster.

It does affect whether a casino's reputable or not if they try to entice players with a misleading bonus scheme & then their customer service representatives are rude and unhelpful when questioned about it - point blank refusing to give any details and ending conversations without as much as a goodbye. The only explanation for them not stating clearly the terms of the bonus is to trick people into depositing money they wouldn't otherwise deposit.

I'd have thought contempt for your customers isn't generally a feature of a 'reputable' casino. If not outright stealing money is all that's needed to be reputable it's a pretty damning inditement of the whole industry!
 

DealerBusts

Dormant account
Vesuvio said:
The only explanation for them not stating clearly the terms of the bonus is to trick people into depositing money they wouldn't otherwise deposit.
Vesuvio reflects my opinion exactly. The fact is that their bonus terms are unclear and the rate of transfer of bonus money completely up to the discretion of the operator.

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I recommend that people avoid casinos like Golden Reef and Aztec Riches unless they know what they're getting into.
 

chucho

Bonus Pimp
I also agree with the original poster. Many players will fall into this trap, which is exactly what it is, a trap. Good casinos don't set traps. Captian Cooks uses the same system buy all you have to do is wager 10x d + b. They have the other normal restrictions, no craps etc, but it is otherwise fair. Golden Reef. Aztec Bitches, Music Hall and maybe others terms read the following.

"The rate at which bonus funds will be available to transfer is determined by the Casino Operator. The Casino Operator may change the rate at which funds will be available to transfer at anytime without notification. Different Games can have different turnover requirements due to the expected different holds by each game."

They should change the terms to read "We we will pay you what we want when we want" I would rather take my chances at Weiners Playground then Aztec Bitches. ROUGE
 

caruso

Banned User - repetitive violations of 1.6 - troll
This is nothing to do with liking or not liking bonus terms, it's about deceiving and manipulating players. The terms are intentionally undisclosed for the purposes of sucking in deposits which will be returned at the discretion of the casino. This is outrageous behaviour which has been going on for at least a year now and I have NO idea why they still haven't been pulled up and dusted down by our motley band of webmasters, nor why they're still being promoted. There is absolutely NO reason to have a bonus-structure like this other than for the purposes of putting one over the players.

Rogues.

Don't patronize casinos that deceive players - there are plenty of MGs out there that don't.
 

hhcfreebie

Dormant account
caruso said:
This is nothing to do with liking or not liking bonus terms, it's about deceiving and manipulating players. The terms are intentionally undisclosed for the purposes of sucking in deposits which will be returned at the discretion of the casino. This is outrageous behaviour which has been going on for at least a year now and I have NO idea why they still haven't been pulled up and dusted down by our motley band of webmasters, nor why they're still being promoted. There is absolutely NO reason to have a bonus-structure like this other than for the purposes of putting one over the players.
EXACTLY! I can't agree more.
 

two_card

Dormant account
I do not play at Aztec Riches and Golden Reef.

Anyone that writes such #### will do other objectional actiivities when pressed.

You are never partially misleading.
 

diamond2

Dormant account
The bonus of this casino group is really misleading one. When a new player finds this offer he will be trapped by this bonus in most of the cases. It is absolutely unfair to make people risking with their money not even explaining them how the bonus system works ( 'casino operator's personal decision' is not a good explanation).
 

sirius

Senior Member
Bryan, I think you should do another Casino King with this one and take them off as fast as you put them up!
 

Vesuvio

Dormant account
Just wanted to bring this back to the top...

But also, what does anyone think about the 'announcement' of the new Vegas Red casino on here? Agreed you can't say a casino (or casino group in this case) is disreputable just because the bonus is a bit dodgy, but it seems odd to stress the bonus as a great thing not to be missed when the terms and conditions include:

YOU MUST HAVE in your account at least the original amount deposited plus double the bonus - Please note that you cannot double the bonus by playing the following games: Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, Blackjack, Red Dog, Sic Bo and Video Poker. :eek:
 

jpm

Dormant account
That's not a bad deal really, I've played more than a few bonuses with those terms and done pretty well. Last one was deposit $25 and get a $50 bonus at Casino Grand Bay, I played thunderstruck and had a great run on free spins and cashed out $700! Not bad on a $25 risk. I think as long as its clear what is required and what does & doesn't count, then that's about all you can ask for. And these terms are crystal clear.
 

Casino Action

Dormant account
diamond2 said:
The bonus of this casino group is really misleading one. When a new player finds this offer he will be trapped by this bonus in most of the cases. It is absolutely unfair to make people risking with their money not even explaining them how the bonus system works ( 'casino operator's personal decision' is not a good explanation).
I just wanted to say that we have listened to feedback we have received from this thread (amongst others) and from our players and we have restructured our bonus system to allow the casinos in our group to credit their players with More Bonuses, More Often.

Golden Reef Casino
Aztec Riches Casino
Music Hall Casino
Challenge Casino
UK Casino Club

HOW DO BONUS ACCOUNTS WORK
The players bonus account is a special wagering account that works just the same as their normal wagering account, but with a few subtle differences. Players will gamble at the casino as they have always done. Any bonuses issued will be credited automatically into their Bonus Account within 2 hours, unlike other online casinos where players sometimes have to wait anywhere from 24 to 48 hours before the bonus hits their account.

It's simple, players wager their bonuses in their Bonus Account, meet any wagering conditions that may apply, and then transfer their winnings to their real Account. That's it!

The bonus account also has a reporting tool which enables players to accurately follow their wagering on bonuses and transfer WINNINGS to their real account once our simple wagering terms are met. This system is easy to understand and there are no confusing rules to it. Whats even better is that if players hit that elusive Royal Flush or 5 line payout Its theirs to keep!!

Imagine walking in to a casino in Las Vegas or Monte Carlo, where they issue players $100 in bonus chips. Players get to play with those free chips for free, wager with them and win with them.

Once players have completed their play, players can keep the bonus chips and play again and any winnings in excess of the original bonus chips we give players are theirs to take home as winnings. To transfer to a real account, a minimum of $50 is required, but there is no limit to the amount that a player can transfer.

The Key Improvements to the system are:
All Winnings in a player's bonus account are theirs to keep!
Casino Action can credit players with MORE BONUSES, MORE OFTEN!
No confusing terms.
Simple to use interface to keep track of wagering requirements and transfers.
No fuss statement available live via CASINO ACTION.
Players can transfer ANY winnings (less bonuses) to their real cash account instantly once the wagering requirements have been met.

For more information please visit Casino Action on any of the group's websites or contact live support via email or chat. :thumbsup:
 

Vesuvio

Dormant account
Fair enough, but you need to edit it a bit if you want to claim 'no confusing terms'!

Can you explain how much needs to be wagered in the bonus account in Aztec Riches, for instance (see below). It only mentions a minimum level of play in the real account (is it the same for the bonus account?).

You might also want to correct the grammar of the first sentence :D

"Bonus Transfer
As you play games with the Bonus Account your betting turnover increases thus fulfils the minimum level of play for this promotion.

All winnings accrued (less the bonus amount) are available to transfer immediately following the completion of the minimum level of play requirement. A full statement of your current wagering and available winnings for transfer are available via the casino software at anytime.

Wagering Requirements
Upon registering a real account at the Casino, players must adhere to the Minimum Level of Play requirements before they can Cash In.

Minimum Level of Play
Any Players who registers a real account is deemed to have accepted the Bonus terms and conditions by the Casino. A Player is required to complete the following wagering requirement in their Real Account before a Cash In is allowed.

Your Play on most Games require a minimum wagered amount of 10 times your initial deposit. The only exceptions are:

1. Your Play on Craps and Baccarat is not counted towards in the Minimum Level of Play requirement.

2. If you play any of the Blackjack, Roulette, and all Poker games you are required to play 20 times your initial deposit."
 

DealerBusts

Dormant account
I found this at the Ukcasinoclub website:

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Minimum Level of Play
Your play on most games require a minimum wagered amount of 10 times the bonus amount credited to your Bonus account. The only exceptions are:

1. Your Play on Craps and Baccarat is not counted towards in the Minimum Level of Play requirement.

2. If you play any of the Blackjack, Roulette, and all Poker games you are required to play 20 times the bonus amount credited to your Bonus Account.

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So the wagering requirements are basically the same for the bonus account as it is for the real account. If you're going to play Blackjack then you need to wager 20 times your deposit to cashin and then 20 times your bonus amount before you can start transferring winnings from your bonus account to your real account.

Assuming a 100% match sticky bonus, you are basically looking at a wagering requirement of 40 x bonus.
 

snuf419

Dormant account
but the thing is..the bonus can't be transfered
and winnings on top of it can only be transfered with a minimum of $50

If you finish all the WR, say you have $70 in your real account and $149 in your bonus account...you can't transfer anything. So you have to keep player...but with a negative expectation game I don't see how the bonus is playable at all.
 

mongrel

Dormant account
I think the bonus system is great. WAY better then the sticky bonuses that most other casinos offer, such as RTGs (not to mention I personally have more confidence in MG software being fair). Of course the type of bonus that only has a wage requirement is usually preferable, but this is a nice happy medium between the other casino's stickies, and a non-sticky, straight-up wage requirement that other MGs have.

Of course I had a very nice win in the bonus account at Music Hall, so maybe I'm biased :D

Customer Service is also good, had some confusion about the new bonus account initially, and they were quick to respond, very helpful and cleared it up in less then a day.

No, I'm not a shill for the casino either (since this is my first post), just been a long time lurker, and decided to put my 2 cents worth in.
 
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