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Merkur at it now - DUMP THEM!

Discussion in 'Affiliate Issues' started by dunover, Dec 12, 2017.

    Dec 12, 2017
  1. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    These 50,000 Euro penalties must've been copied from the same clown who wrote Leo Vegas's terms, or vice-versa:


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  2. Dec 12, 2017
  3. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    Location:
    uk
    Well it actually says a 50 euro penalty, would be fun seeing them try to get 50k from anyone.

    Any casino trying this sort of term against affiliates should be blacklisted everywhere in my view.
     
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  4. Dec 13, 2017
  5. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    It's meant to be 50k, same as Leo Vegas. They're Germans so they type and write funny.
     
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  6. Dec 13, 2017
  7. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    I know, but its targeted at UK, someone could quite easily argue its 50 euro though if they ever tried to charge someone the fee :)

    Either way, not a casino I will be having anywhere on my site :)
     
  8. Dec 13, 2017
  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Well, it looks like it's something you are going to have to accept - I don't see things changing now. If you bulletproof your site, there ya go.
     
  10. Dec 13, 2017
  11. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    UK
    I'd dump any affiliate program that tries to include this term. I'm happy to ensure we work hard to prevent any breaches and I'm confident we're way ahead of the market. But £50k fine with the decision being made be the benefactor confident? No. Ultimately we'd refocus the business outside of the UK before agreeing to these terms if they became that widespread. This is entirely predatory.

    TP
     
  12. Dec 13, 2017
  13. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    There is no way they would ever be able to enforce this in a UK court. It's an unfair contract term. They could insist that you put in your review 'this casino pays in 5 minutes and has a higher payout rate than any other casino in the world' and fine you 50k if you refused, I am confident no court would ever enforce such a blanket term.

    Every casino who brings in terms like this should be blacklisted, Sky's '6 per month' quota got them blacklisted at most sites, I'll bet theres not a single affiliate who lost 50k due to that.
     
  14. Dec 13, 2017
  15. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    Totally agree - it's the same as my opinion on these 'we can change any term and any time and your only choice if you don't agree is to abandon your historic earnings' - I don't think that term is likely legally enforceable either. But any program that is prepared to try and add this 50k term is making very clear what they think of their partners.....

    TP
     
  16. Dec 13, 2017
  17. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    affiliate
    Location:
    uk
    Yep I agree 100%.
    Bet365 have closed my account, which I am extremely annoyed about as I complied with everything, was even talking to my affiliate manager at the time they sent the contract out, I didn't get the email, he resent it and I returned it in less than an hour, but closed the account as I didn't return it on time, but they are still paying for existing customers, just not any new ones (as long as no clicks are registered, which isn't a problem for me!)
     
  18. Dec 14, 2017
  19. PaaskeDKnowUK

    PaaskeDKnowUK Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    They will reopen it as soon you are 100% compliant? Have u got Twitter or any social media with them as anything there would make them do that. Or else surely just contact your affiliate manager and they will get you going again? There was no time limit really it clearly states they will close account etc but will reinstate as soon 100% compliant.
     
  20. Dec 14, 2017
  21. PaaskeDKnowUK

    PaaskeDKnowUK Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    I don't agree with that £50K fine at all. No way in hell that should be allowed to put in such crazy fees or rules.

    Would be fair though if the exact fine the provider would end up getting was put onto affiliate, if it really would come to that. But of course within fair limits like maybe a smaller amount and if happens again would be higher. (not sure how to word it proper sorry).

    BUT in one way that is for their affiliate program as well to check that their affiliates are doing things correct.

    How about someone helped affiliates instead and forces ALL affiliate programs to have in their terms and condition, that in case affiliate program shuts down early or close someones account who has not been in breach with terms and conditions, that affiliate will be entitled to still be paid Revenue for life or a lump sum of average calculations up to £50K as max.
     
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  22. Dec 14, 2017
  23. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    No, closed completely, I have been speaking to my manager regularly :(

     
  24. Dec 14, 2017
  25. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    I checked with a friend yesterday who is a lawyer at a London firm and you can add a paragraph to the legal terms page on your affiliate site about checking the accuracy of promotions via the casino's t&c link (which each casino now has to provide).

    If you include this then the affiliate (you) are not responsible as you are covered by your own legal T&C and meet ASA guidelines by linking directly to the casino terms.

    Also, I highly recommend a ASA audit. It's ranges from £1000 to £2500 per affilate site but gives you complete piece of mind and certification in case of any future bullshit from rogue affiliate operators: You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
  26. Dec 14, 2017
  27. ThePOGG

    ThePOGG Meister Member webmeister

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    We were already in the process of adding this term - seems an easy to do disavow at least some responsibility.

    TP
     
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  28. Dec 14, 2017
  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Yes, was speaking to their Aff Manager in Berlin and he didn't seem too happy with what was about to happen in regard to UKGC Rules and affiliates and the steps they were going to have to take. The big casinos such as 365, SV, Coral etc. can afford to dump affiliates as their revenue proportion from them is far less than it is for smaller casinos new entrants to the market.
     
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