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Mental aspect of slots

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by nutnut, Jul 16, 2017.

    Jul 16, 2017
  1. nutnut

    nutnut 30 day suspension - trollish behavior

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    Kind of inspired by Lockinlove quit thread.

    For weeks now I noticed her, like me hammering away at Bonanza, now her levels of stakes are much higher than me and spins for that matter. But last few weeks I noticed she had changed into being more angry and negative, nothing new we all get that way when we lose on slots.

    Fully expecting her to bounce back like we all do, she quit and closed all her accounts. Now as someone who seemed to play everyday and dedicate many hours taking up a large part of your life, it kind of shocked me and knocked me seeing her quit like that.

    Everyone associates people who play slots and get down as addicts, but in her case it wasn't addiction that got her down, it was a sick and twisted evil slot that is designed to make you tilt. Addicts don't quit and she clearly is not a addict, but the slot ruined her enjoyment of playing and in away took over a large part of her life.

    I myself have been hammering this slot and not played any other slot for months, but after reading her thread last night I felt dirty playing it later on in evening and stopped playing it.

    I think owner of Bonanza slot has to realise when you build a slot to mentally play with the player, you in the end, end up losing long term as she will now never deposit again.

    I'm not obsessed with this slot, but am intrigued how a slot has managed to manipulate so many players and do something 99% of other slots don't do to people.

    I'm not sure what my point is here, other than seeing someone so in control mentally break over a slot which I have seen at times has made even me who doesn't get riled up almost want to burn it alive.

    Whilst I won't quit gambling, I feel almost obliged to also protest in boycotting slots from BGT. It has also massively put me off playing and has reverted me back to normal sports betting.
     
  2. Jul 16, 2017
  3. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    That particular slot has stopped me playing slots twice now for a period of time. No other slot has done that to me.

    That slot is pure evil and borders irresponsible gambling territory in my opinion. Most gamblers play for a feature and it is the lack of them or the wait for them that is the danger of Bonanza.

    I closed my account at VS after money disappearing without features or play time and that is without touching Bonanza so other slots can do the same too, but not to the extend that Bonanza can.
     
  4. Jul 16, 2017
  5. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    I'm no Psychiatrist (if that's even the right word to use) but Bonanza definatley had some sort of underlying "Play with the Mind" programming within its code.

    I would err along the lines that a true Genius programmed that slot, very, very clever from a "Let's make bucket loads of £££'s" point of view.

    Now onto the RG thing...

    Throughout my experience of gambling in general (not just online) there at some stage becomes a "potential Addict" - as the name suggest these are gamblers who reach the cross roads where they either become a total out of control addict or they decide, this is boring, pointless and stick to their little flutter here and there or quit altogether.

    Bonanza 100% IMO is designed to seek out these "Potentials" and thoroughly ensure that they are turned to the dark side.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2017
  7. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    ...now there was another upsetting game before Bonanza. The Berzerk game. Some people can't really handle not beating slots and if something gets out of control then leaving is the best way to handle it.

    I know some say that Bonanza is awful but I don't feel that way. It's a superb and entertaining game. You can win and lose just in any game.
    Doa has upset just as many people, and so many have lost so much chasing those wildlines.

    The important thing here is to see the signs of people getting out of control starting to scream that it's rigged. Some will always do while others stay in control.
    Give help and advices if you can and be careful is all I can say.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2017
  9. nutnut

    nutnut 30 day suspension - trollish behavior

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    Who is the hidden but evil genius behind Bonanza???

    How did he make a game so unique a company like Netent or Microgaming could never dream of making.

    This game will ruin lives though.
     
  10. Jul 16, 2017
  11. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    At least with DOA there is a aim to the game so to speak. Get that wild line or 5 scatters.

    There is a aim with Wonky Wabbits for example - get those 7 wilds. There is a aim with The Wishmaster for example - get that full screen of wilds.

    But there is no aim with Bonanza - very clever.
     
  12. Jul 16, 2017
  13. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    Look, if you hammer away at a high-volatility game this outcome is inevitable. I play the Rapist and this has taken big money from me, specifically at Trada for some reason. You are playing for the theoretical 'pie in the sky' hits at odds of millions to one. It's a bit like playing the National Lottery at 13.8m-1 of winning the jackpot and when you don't then buying more and more tickets. It's a road to disaster and it will make you angry as inevitably you won't win but the spawny twat that sticks 20 spins through or buys an odd ticket will hit it big. Remember every $1 you turn over is paying you minus 4c at 96% RTP, and if you do a million spins you WILL lose $40,000 if playing $1 a go.

    Nobody can beat the maths of a slot. 99% of slot play is people who will only play a few hundred or thousand spins on any given slot at any given casino therefore will see fluctuations in short-term RTP giving either quick losses (dunover) or nice wins (most others).

    To play a million spins, or attempting to, is suicidal simply because you've overcome the volatility by the law of large numbers and will be bang-on or near the stated 96%. I'm using a million spins as an example, but this could be many tens of millions on more complex and volatile games. We have seen the stats (look and search for kktmd) by running a million spins at 1 unit through many games and all of them came out virtually bang-on the stated RTP.

    So let's say you're pushing for a million spins at $1 on Borenanza. At half way you'll be about $20k down (4% of 500k). Think about it, now you'll need a freakish hit of 20,000x stake just to break even, something never even witnessed yet! The odds against that will be at least in the tens of millions-to one. You're doomed. In fact you were doomed from a mere 250,000 spins.

    It ain't the slot's fault - it is what it is. :cool:
     
  14. Jul 16, 2017
  15. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    There has always been an 'aim' for me, take out more money than I've put in, regardless of how I get there.

    Something which due to my evil spawniness used to be pretty easy :p, until slots like Bonanza and HTML abominations arrived :rolleyes:

    Personally although I play it, this slot doesn't frustrate me in the slightest even when the 'D' is well n truly nowhere to be seen.

    Losing continually however does, all I ask for is a fair 'throw of the dice' once in a while. I feel LIL developed an obsession with this Bonanza in that "I WILL beat It" which is where she fell down.

    Not from a financial aspect or out of control but purely from futile frustration!
     
  16. Jul 16, 2017
  17. goatwack

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    I don't think there was one moustache- twirling, cat-stroking mastermind villain behind Bonanza, it was obviously a team of people that brainstormed to create the ultimate money drainer.

    Even they hadn't expected it to become such a cult hit, yet seem to have struck gold with this one. I believe Lockinlove had also chased that Vikings game for a while so I don't think it was just Bonanza.

    We're heading into 'fiendishly addictive' slot design territory with some of these newer games, with the promise of great payouts but no realization of fulfilling them. Add to that lightning fast spins and insane variance - sprinkled with heroic tales of streamers getting brilliant hits against all the odds ie marketing - and you're destined to create a whole new batch of addicts.

    At least with DOA you knew you had a chance, and the gameplay could last you for hours due to its geriatric pace. Play anything from the last 12 months and your funds will get obliterated in 5 minutes on minimum bets.

    Lockinlove gets kudos for breaking off her love affair with slots before it consumed her. It could have been so easy for her to do this after she'd lost everything.

    But still, these slots are the way the industry is going. Developers smartened up and realized there's more to be made from this formula. You could fit about five DOA sessions into one Bonanza one, says it all really :cool:
     
  18. Jul 16, 2017
  19. aceking123

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    million spins or not this game has been developed for chasing which means heavy interaction by the player , hence you're going to be chasing losses & this is where the root of the problems start, i think lockinlove got sucked in as we all do at some point, in the end it was not about winning or losing it was to make a point that this machine is fishy i do however think had lockinlove hit a 1000x plus i think she would of stopped or at least cut back on it, it's more of a mind set thing to where she had been looking for that win of recovery but it just wasn't coming, im glad she stopped but a pity it cost the forum i nice lady & shall indeed miss her .:thumbsup:
     
  20. Jul 16, 2017
  21. miso

    miso Meister Member MM

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    Depends on the person, really. I am definitely over 100k spins on Bonanza at this stage and just accepted that it was designed by the meanest person in the office. Why would a slot give you GOL five times when you're close to bust and reset half the screen three times without D? I would sit there in disbelief for half a minute, then forget all about it. I think Lockin was just a more intense person, maybe not that used to losing for years on end ;)

    Honestly, without the teases, it would have been a lot better game. Still, a non winning spin is exactly that. Reels might be arranged to break your heart, but at the end of the day, it wasn't meant to give you anything.
     
  22. Jul 16, 2017
  23. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    I don't believe for a second that the guy (who I've met too) created Bonanza just to get people to freak out and lose control.
    I think he believed he created a special game that people would play, who was entertaining and had potential for big wins,

    The aim with Bonanza as with any other game should be to get entertained. I'm sad to hear that you think it should be a goal to get the highest payout possible on all games you play because that won't happen.

    The teaser that people complain on are fun to read about. How many haven't complained about the two scatters coming so often at for example IR. It's the same thing. They are there to tease or we maybe wouldn't keep on playing :)
     
  24. Jul 16, 2017
  25. interlog

    interlog Senior Member MM webmeister

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    I wasn't saying that it should be a goal to get the highest pay but with most games you know that once you have reached that (and it is possible, we've seen the 5 reel wild desires) you will not get better and can stop playing the game.

    With Bonanza there is no end. You may have gotten that 2,000x win but is there more?
     
  26. Jul 16, 2017
  27. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    True, but if I thought like that I wouldn't have any game left to play soon. I've hit so many high payouts on so many games, and most of them I still play because I simply love it. Raging Rhino is one of them, Doa another, BDBA, IR...Bonanza almost a 1000x.

    We need to learn to see each session as a new session. It should be a new deposit, a new session and a new time to have some fun with the possibility to win.
     
  28. Jul 16, 2017
  29. miso

    miso Meister Member MM

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    You've met him?

    Mental aspect of slots: satan_2476.jpg,Jul 16, 2017

    But seriously, it was a stroke of genius. Just the very fact we're still here talking about it. It can drive me up the walls, but might just be the greatest slot ever made :thumbsup:
     
  30. Jul 16, 2017
  31. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG

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    He was at the Meistermeeting in February so a few of us talked to him. A young nice guy :)

    I doubt he dare to come next year though or the line who wants to put him in a mental hospital will be there for their revenge:p
     
  32. Jul 16, 2017
  33. Steviedoo

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    I disagree ... the teaser is not like every other game...the game is set up that every spin is a near miss. That is the addictive part of this game. It's not only the bonus feature Gol and the d that never falls into place....it's also all the other symbols....the number of them and repetitiveness of them on the last reels with that one missing on the first reel or on the top reel. This happens on every spin.

    I have played this game three times. I got bonuses three times. They were not great but I was happy that I got my money back and a little extra. I am not a fan of a slot that makes a big deal out of winning $1 on a wining spin when you've invested 60 cents on that spin. So I don't play btg slots for this reason. And now I am not gonna play this slot or any btg slot cuz we lost a valuable contributing member to it.

    This slot really takes the psychology behind slot machines to a whole new level.
     
  34. Jul 16, 2017
  35. bluebirdy

    bluebirdy Experienced Member

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    People play Bonanza pure and simply for that one big hit. not many others game has the win potential for the amount of money you stake ( never seen a DOA win 15000 x). plus this can prob give alot more does any one know the true max win on say 20p a spin?.


    So playing this game is going to effect you more as it as HUGE potential and you want to hit that BIG ONE. and every free spins that disapoints is going to piss you of more.
    I have seen a few videos of dunover on rageing rhino that clearly gets to him and you can see why. HUGE potential and so many bonus guarantee rounds (not just saying it but would love to see a video of you hitting the 6 diamonds and nice win as the you lanuage and use of words would be pretty impressive.

    People comparing this slot to DOA. yes DOA can pay big and you can have very long game play and plenty of free spins bonuses but the wins are no where near what bonanza can give. people also say you dont get as many free spin rounds in bonanza like you do in DOA, sorry but i have had plenty of times on DOA when i dont see a free spin round. And i have seen alot of days on bonanza where you dont get free spins and some days when they come in alot.
    I know a lot of people that play DOA that still havent gotten the 5 scatters and a few who still havent got a wild line ( is the game rigged) yet people call bonanza (rigged) as its not chucking out huge wins all the time.

    now lets have have a look at lockinlove (the person people encouraged to spend alot of money playing 1 million spins on this game the one people called vile filthy and rigged) even she called the game the same yet she still poured so much money in to it. she posted a few screen shots from slottracker page7 & 8 on her 1 mill spin post, both over 100% rtp 1). 10,000 spins and 1). 20, 000 spins. not bad looking stats but she WANTED THAT BIG HIT AND NOTHING MORE. so she chased even when slot was on piss off mode. thats what got her in the end. and what will get alot of people chaseing something thats not ment to be given out so easy.

    dunover posted about this slot around 26th of november 2016 so hasnt been out long yet people want slots to come out and pay big straight away how long did it take for your wild lines on doa or your 5 scatters or even how many you got the full wild screen on IR or the big wins ony any other slots you play. wins will come on bonanza but give it a f in chance and stop all this rigged shit when slots dont go your way or dont play like they did before crap.
     
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  36. Jul 16, 2017
  37. miso

    miso Meister Member MM

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    I get what you're saying, but don't forget about that straw that broke the camel's back. That 27 FS round. I think herself and me are the only ones that got it around here. I got around 450x and that was disappointing, so imagine getting 100x from something that quite possibly happens once in a million spins.

    Without that free spins round, I believe she'd still be here, chasing it. You know what, in a way I'm glad it happened.
     
  38. Jul 16, 2017
  39. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Bonanza is just another slot it is as simple as that.

    How often has IR been played by members here since it came out. I have looked sorry i can not find screenshot after screenshot of 5 reel WD'S. Maybe since there have been very few.

    Sorry but people that think i have lost loads so i am sure to get the big win should not be gambling and chasing the win.

    But all this about this slot being evil and thats reason why Lockinlove has quit in my opinion is wrong.

    Taking her as an example. Looking at her posts the last few months about different slots not just Bonanza you could see how much gambling was starting to affect her. Her posts were becoming negative and she was gambling more and chasing wins.

    It was like she was not used to losing and the shock of losing had hit her and she was gambling more expecting to win again.

    Personally i think that bad hit she got that pushed her over the edge was the best thing to have happened to her. Not meant in a bad way but it got to her so much she decided to quit . And the way her gambling was going where she seemed to be spending every minute playing slots and depositing more and complaining about lack of freebies and bonuses looked to me like she was starting to lose control.

    I think that bad bonus came about the right time before it ended up to late. Its a slot with eye candy. I was pissed of when i killed the turd with 6 spins left to give 16 full spins only to end up with total bonus of 40x stake. If that had affected me and pushed me over the edge the way that bonus had for her then it would have been day i realised i had a serious gambling problem.
     

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