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Question Meister ratings skewed in favour of 32Red?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Valhalla, Aug 3, 2014.

    Aug 3, 2014
  1. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    Northern Ireland
    My first thread. I hope it's not taken the wrong way. I verified my account to bring this up because it kinda bugs me.

    Firstly, I just want to make clear that I don't have an axe to grind, I'm not a troll or a shill (I actually had to look that up) or anything like that.
    Personally, I like (or at least trust) 32Red. Although I don't play there any more since they changed their payment system.

    It's just that I noticed some time ago (when 32Red changed their payment system to no longer pay on weekends, bank holidays etc), that their Casinomeister rating dropped to 9.0 which moved them below a couple of Casinos overall. I thought this was fair enough seeing as Payment speed/efficiency is a big part of what makes a casino good.
    But then I checked again recently, only to find that 32Red are again rated 9.4, just above the outstanding Guts (9.3), Grosvenor (9.3), Boyle Casino (9.1) and maybe a couple of others that are in the 9's.

    My question is - why? What is it 32Red have that set them above the rest? Slow payments and Limited games (only Microgaming) should seriously lower their overall score. I can name countless online Casinos who will have money in my bank account before 32Red have even processed the payment. I've even withdrew on a Saturday and had the money in my bank account on Bank Holiday Monday (no idea how). And this, payment speed, is surely the number one factor in determining how good a casino is.
    Not to mention regular bonuses with fair wagering requirements, endless free spins with no wagering on the winnings, excellent customer service, various gaming platforms and so on and so forth.

    I will repeat - this is not an attack on 32Red in anyway, it's more a case of - I don't think the ratings here at Casinomeister are very fair on the rest who are breaking their balls to be as good as they are, and are actually streets ahead of 32Red in many ways, yet they remain 2nd best for some inexplicable reason.
     
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  2. Aug 3, 2014
  3. Tirilej

    Tirilej On a Break

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    Here you have what Bryan looks at when it comes to rating a casino.
    http://www.casinomeister.com/casino_ratings.php

    That is what he believe is fair.


    We all have different way of looking at a casino we want to play. We all rates casinos differently.
    Maybe there should be some system in here where the players could rate casinos too, and then have two lists.

    I don't question Bryans way of doing this. It is he who runs this forum after all.
     
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  4. Aug 3, 2014
  5. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    Poker Player
    Location:
    Northern Ireland
    Tirilej - I agree with what you say. I'm certainly not trying to stir up trouble or start an argument.
    I just think there are much better casinos out there nowadays than 32Red (as good as they are - I'll repeat I'm not attacking them or have an axe to grind).

    I guess it does come down to personal opinion in the end, and the ratings here are Casinomeister's personal opinion :)
    Another list where we players vote though - that'd be interesting.
     
  6. Aug 3, 2014
  7. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

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    length of time youve been running here is a must take with a big score maybe because theyve been top for so long & the new casinos havnt makes the difference )

    there are better casinos out there score wise , now if these casinos had been running 10+ years with all of what red32 has to offer your find there scores better.
     
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  8. Aug 3, 2014
  9. Tirilej

    Tirilej On a Break

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    Maybe you're right and there are. I can't argue about that, but why be in such a hurry?
    It have taken 32Red many years to get where they are today. Most of those you like today are new and have no history to lean on.

    If they stay and continue with doing a good job they maybe will pass them anyway some day, but I think it's better to be careful with throwing all casinos up there too fast :)
     
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  10. Aug 3, 2014
  11. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    The "length of time they've been in the business" point is definitely something I didn't consider when I wrote this thread. I'll admit that. I can certainly understand that point.
     
  12. Aug 3, 2014
  13. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    I can see the OPS point tho as 32RED is 9.4 like always but if you check the points scoring then theres fewer points etc. for no weekend cashouts and so on. So by that basis I guess 32RED should have dropped slightly. No big deal as its a good casino and of all Microgaming only its by far the best but I seriously think if they want to remain the best, they need to up their game a bit as all the new casinos are getting all the new microgaming slots as well as having all other slots . Remember you are only the best till something better comes along and I feel 32RED needs to find a bit more to remain top.
     
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  14. Aug 3, 2014
  15. Valhalla

    Valhalla The Professional MM

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    Poker Player
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    Northern Ireland
    I was going to say something like this, but I have to tread carefully. My first post and I'm immediately attacking the forum owner's opinion, and the "best in the business" :eek2: :eek:
    I'm not, of course. I'm just posing the question. I hope it's taken the right way.
    Surely as the top rated Casino, 32Red should be moving with the times. And instead of changing their payment processes in a negative way, they should've been adding the ability to pay faster. Or just adding "something" to improve what was already a stellar operation.
     
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  16. Aug 3, 2014
  17. Janek12

    Janek12 Senior Member

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    Just a small illustration: I do not play often at 32Red. Last month I did play a few sessions, took a few bonuses from the Dish of the Day offer, and ended up around 700 USD ahead in total. The last withdrawal I made was 1136 USD to my Skrill account; it was there within 24 hours (there was no weekend, of course).

    The next day I claimed my 1000 loyalty points and played them to zero.

    The next day after that, I logged in just to see the Dish of the Day offer, not even intending to deposit. I found 42 USD in the account. Without any fuss or even e-mail about it. And it was cash, not bonus. That's 32Red for you :D.

    I have never had any casino do that for me after a (by my standards) larger withdrawal. Yes, other casinos offered me 50 % bonuses up to high amounts - to get me to play my previous withdrawal back, of course. :rolleyes:

    For me, it was a moment when I realised, from my own experience, why people rave about 32Red so much.
     
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  18. Aug 3, 2014
  19. suomikala87

    suomikala87 Senior Member PABnoaccred webmeister

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    I agree with the OP as 32Red's rating indeed seems quite high. On the Pro's side there are two points that especially caught my eye:

    - Fast Payouts

    On today's standards I think 32Red's payment processing time is very much mediocore. For example atm I have one pending withdrawal which I made on thursday night (72hours ago). It will take 16-20hours more till I will receive the cash on my e-wallet tomorrow. Other than that even with flushing on a weekday it regularly takes 12hours+ until the withdrawal hits my e-wallet.

    Now to compare with a few other casinos such as MrGreen, Guts and Betsson. Often when I click the withdrawal button the money hits my e-wallet instantly and worst case scenario is just a few hours (and that includes weekends). So yeah, 32Red's withdrawal times often reminds me of snail mail compared to many other competitor's.

    - Wide range of games and gaming platforms

    They only offer Microgaming's products so listing a wide range of games as a pro sounds really strange. To me this is literally the minimum offering (to offer games only from one developer). Many other accredited casinos offer games from multiple developers such as Videoslots that has slots from 18 different developers on offer.
     
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  20. Aug 3, 2014
  21. Janek12

    Janek12 Senior Member

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    I must say that IMHO the multi-platform casino model comes at a terrible price - they only have the non-download version of Microgaming. For example, the instant version of videopoker is different than the download version - much slower and there is no auto-hold, IIRC.
     
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  22. Aug 3, 2014
  23. rshkrn

    rshkrn Senior Member

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    you need to also keep in mind player and payout volumes daily/weekly/monthly/yearly etc etc..... none of the casinos can match 32R in that
     
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  24. Aug 3, 2014
  25. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Yes, I'd definitely say the longevity helps - they've been around for awhile and with the exception of payments, all the other good stuff that landed them on top all those years hasn't changed.

    That being said, with the multi-software platforms and fast payments and great support by a few other brand new casinos, last year for the first time ever they had some competition nipping at their heels for all-round best casino. The next few years might bring some changes. :thumbsup:
     
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  26. Aug 3, 2014
  27. mimi26

    mimi26 Meister Member

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    In all the years I have played at 32red I have never known this to happen, just a strange amount as well :D
     
  28. Aug 3, 2014
  29. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    Northants
    Bear in mind its been32 has been going for years now without problems,

    If meister put a load of new casinos at top & they went bust, Or decided not to help out or went of the raider than there be riots,

    Surely once these casino can prove there self than up they will go,
     
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  30. Aug 4, 2014
  31. Janek12

    Janek12 Senior Member

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    I know, I was very surprised myself by both the odd amount and the very fact it was there :); but I am absolutely sure I played my balance to zero the day before.
    Perhaps a software error, favouring a player for once :p?
     
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  32. Aug 4, 2014
  33. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    Last Sunday I got paid by 32Red.

    One thing I will say negative about 32Red is that their chat representatives are fake. Fake smiles etc.
    But then again, they care enough to fake it so they must to some degree care...
     
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  34. Aug 4, 2014
  35. Johnnygotthebon

    Johnnygotthebon Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Canada
    May I add to your post......



    Worst paying slots I ever played and I played them all

    50k deposited in one month and I never cashed out.

    Finally someone who is not crazy about these people. Finally.

    There is no consinstancy there. It is anyway cow hiding behind an great product and excellent customer service. I will never play there again.
     
  36. Aug 4, 2014
  37. PaaskeDenmark

    PaaskeDenmark Always think positive CAG PABnoaccred webmeister

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    If you deposit 50k and don't win a thing then it's up to how you play. If you consistent make high bets then it will eat your balance.

    Don't tell me you have not had any chances with 50K to make any withdrawals or had any winnings at all as that would be a blatant lie.

    Also you keep commenting worst paying slots bla bla bla. You serious don't seem to have a clue on how these things work?? Microgaming slots are controlled by server and casinos have no control over them or how the payout are which make them true random. So it does not matter where or which Casino you play at if its 32red for that matter or if its a different Casino.

    Which brings me to your comment above is absolute useless and puts a wrong view on 32red.
     
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  38. Aug 4, 2014
  39. Johnnygotthebon

    Johnnygotthebon Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    I don't lie

    I may have a big trolling mouth but I don't lie!

    50k lost 1k at a time.

    Bets were 5-10 a spin.

    Never cashed out.

    They are legit. I do not doubt this. But they got me good!

    I joined other micro gaming casinos after I closed account.

    Day after 32red I opened account at unibet, 250 turned in 4k. A message popped up while I was playing saying "you have been playing for 4 hours and won 4000 dollars...."

    Explain that to me? Luck? No way!

    32 red saw that I was a depositer, a crazy one. I never hit anything. It is not normal.

    After unibet, I played on a few others, all MG. What a difference. Jesus is my witness. I couldn't believe the difference. It was unbelievable. 250 into 1500. Etc....

    32 red never made me get balance over deposit. Except when I filled board with batman. 2700 which I lost without ever seeing a decent payout again

    Sorry 32!red lovers, this is my story. I don't lie. Everything I say is exact.
     

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