Medicare - Now What?

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For all you folks that think Government can't fix problems... you forget... We are the Government.

If you still think the Government can't do anything... take a close look at the Chinese. Their government controls everything, and they are kicking our asses in business and will soon replace us as the most powerfull country in the world.

Government does work, when we make it work.

I agree completely. Only thing that needs to be fixed is the government, which orientation government is doesnt matter, if gov. is corrupt and not here for the people then what good are the elections and so called democracy by US standards.

Just ask Britts and Canadians how "socialist" is bad when it comes to health care. Yes, there are people abusing this system but overall effect is that I really dont have to worry how much will I need to pay the doctors when I need them, now or in the future. Whatever health problem I might have that could potentialy cost a lot of money I know I will be taken care of.

And those scare stories about long waiting lists and such are just another form of payed propaganda by health insurance companies. I never heard of anyone dying because it had to wait to get to the top of the list in any half decent country. In my country there are lists too, but they are here just to bring some order in chaos, not to serve as the law. If someone needs medical attention immediately, trust me that person will get if not the same than only better medical care than any US health care provider would offer, whether its an organ transplant or urgent transfer to different hospital or even different country if its in the best interest for the patient and this is not because we cant perform some surgery but if doctors council, i dont know correct term in english, determines that there is some surgeon in nearby country, Italia or Austria, that will perform that particular surgery better, not every case is the same and some surgeries demand even specialized specialists and that is the reason for transport in different country. How much will that person be billed, nothing.

There are extreme cases when some new drug or new surgery method is not on the list of services available and then you have to jump few hoops to get it free, but nothing extensive, simple request to Ministry of health, takes a week or two for them to make decision if its not urgent, and they can decide whether this treatment is really needed or not for the patient. If they determine its needed, than you get it free wherever this treatment is available whether it is in Croatia or some other country like Germany or even US, doesnt matter really. If not there are situations where they will pay only part of the cost, etc. This is for individual cases but eventually it will get on the list of offered services. Most recent case I heard of was that person got part of surgery costs covered by public health insurance for surgery that could be performed in Croatia but in Germany they had far more experience with cases like the one in question and it could be debated whether they are really better or not so it was practically a choice by this person to do this surgery in different country, yet that person had his costs covered by public insurance up to the amount that surgery would cost in Croatia.

I really cant understand how can someone say that privatized health insurance is better. Just because someone is telling you this will lead to communism it doesnt make it to be true. I mean, wtf.

Get real already. I`ve compared average spending in my country and in US by person on yearly bases for health, everything included. it turned out that we actually pay less, get more for our money and without fear that some hospital or doctor would tell me FO just because I`m with different provider.. Anytime, anywhere in the country, although there is a enormous amount of lobbying from several health insurance companies to completely privatize our health insurance system.

What good is the so called privatized health to someone who is healthy and under 30 years old. At that age and condition nobody cares and will probably say what the current propaganda is presenting.

I`ll bet that if we are to find biggest supporters of privatized health inssurance from 30 or so years ago that were from middle or lower class and didnt become billionaires in between, that most of them would rather have public health inssurance now when they are in their mid 50`s, 60`s or 70`s and they need medical care the most.

Yes, you will be paying for someone else too, but who will pay for you when you are sick or injured and cannot earn money to afford your treatment. As I understand all those health insurance policies of yours have a limit on how much you can spend, here there is no limit on anything. It may look enough to have, I dont know, $500,000 limit. I`ll ask you that question when you need hip replacement, god forbid, or some new and expensive drug for prolonged period of time. Get your s..t together already and throw those health insurance companies out of the country and GET HEALTHY.

Its a righ not a privilege and its not free either just BETTER.

 

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Get real already. I`ve compared average spending in my country and in US by person on yearly bases for health, everything included. it turned out that we actually pay less, get more for our money and without fear that some hospital or doctor would tell me FO just because I`m with different provider.. Anytime, anywhere in the country, although there is a enormous amount of lobbying from several health insurance companies to completely privatize our health insurance system.

You only have to ask yourself two questions...
Where does the Private Insurance companies BILLIONS in PROFIT come from?
How much money does the PRIVATE Insurance pay out to it's Stock Holders?

In the PRIVATE Insurance world all that money comes directly out the services YOU receive... So for the same money we get less health care because the Insurance companies have to get their 45% markup...

But here in America, the insurance companies own the political system. They have purchased the best government that money can buy.
Along with the political propaganda that the Insurance Companies have spent 100's of millions on... think Fox news.
Americans will most likley NEVER see a better health care system than the one we have right now.

 

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Just poking in to post yet another non-partisan group that recently ranked the US last among the 7 industrialized countries they surveyed, all of which were countries we named as comparisons to the US:

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We rank last in most metrics btw, and our best ranking is 4th of 7 while still having 2-3x the expense of every other country surveyed.

Still think the US has the best healthcare? LOL!

 

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Just poking in to post yet another non-partisan group that recently ranked the US last among the 7 industrialized countries they surveyed, all of which were countries we named as comparisons to the US:

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We rank last in most metrics btw, and our best ranking is 4th of 7 while still having 2-3x the expense of every other country surveyed.

Still think the US has the best healthcare? LOL!

The problem here is that our elected officials (that are owned by the Insurance Companies) Like to lie to us... all the time.

I just heard that moron and Governor of Mississippi Haily Barber(republican) go on and on about how the US has the BEST Medical System in the World...
No wonder our Country is in such a mess... when the people that run things can't tell the truth and no one holds them acountable for it.

My own State, that is totally controlled by the Republicans, just gutted Medicaid (the program that provides medical care insurance to the very very poor children and disabled) The poor in my state will now die without care... That is a fact.

These same ass hole Republican politicians that gutted medical care for poor kids and the disabled gave our states BILLIONAIRE residents a huge tax break...

They cut programs to provide wheel chairs, in home care and restricted the type and AMOUNT of Medical care the poor and disabled can receive. They took a system that didn't work very well and instead of fixing it, they destroyed it... All so their greedy BILLIONAIRE owners don't have to pay a few thousand more in taxes.

Way to go Republicans... I understand that in several states controlled by the Republicans they are doing away with the Child Labor Laws.

In my state the republicans just destroyed the public school system here by taking more than 65% of the funding away and we didn't have enough money in the first place to educate all our kids.

The Republicans believe that 8 year old kids should be working in the Coal mines or Oil Fields instead of going to school... After all LEARNING leads to LIBERALISIM... and there is nothing the repugs hate more than those Wonderful Educated LIBERALS.

 

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if it will be any comfort lots0 lying politicians are everywhere not just in USA.

Also, its hard for me to grasp the idea of cutting down education budger by 65% and that it went through whatever governing body was responsible for it. Jesus, you guys are in bigger shithole than I thought, excuse the language but cant help it. Cutting down education is just another way of enslaving people. In Europe most of the old monarchies were replaced with some other form of government only after people were given access to education, regardless how basic education it was compared to present standards. Those that were not replaced have been reformed into something else.

Sick. Sick. Sick. You must do something relatively quick and get back on track, because in generation or two when those poor people that cant afford schools start to think of revolution they will blame rich people and even maybe upper middle class people. In any outcome it will not be pleasant experience, to anyone. I`m talking about full revolution here not just some localized riots. Sick and said to see any country today fall to this level, sorry nothing personal. Who knows, maybe Us government will start executing intelectuals like Pol Pot did in Cambodia.

 

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if it will be any comfort lots0 lying politicians are everywhere not just in USA.

Also, its hard for me to grasp the idea of cutting down education budger by 65% and that it went through whatever governing body was responsible for it. Jesus, you guys are in bigger shithole than I thought, excuse the language but cant help it. Cutting down education is just another way of enslaving people. In Europe most of the old monarchies were replaced with some other form of government only after people were given access to education, regardless how basic education it was compared to present standards. Those that were not replaced have been reformed into something else.

Sick. Sick. Sick. You must do something relatively quick and get back on track, because in generation or two when those poor people that cant afford schools start to think of revolution they will blame rich people and even maybe upper middle class people. In any outcome it will not be pleasant experience, to anyone. I`m talking about full revolution here not just some localized riots. Sick and said to see any country today fall to this level, sorry nothing personal. Who knows, maybe Us government will start executing intellectuals like Pol Pot did in Cambodia.

I know the politicos are all full of it, no matter where they are. But here in the US these guys are organized and lie with a purpose, to mislead the public.

Cutting down education is just another way of enslaving people.

Oh I know it, it is a crime that most Americans were never taught that lesson in school.
but here... Learning leads to Liberalism.

And the neo-cons hate Liberals more than they hate ingrown toe nails.
They are willing to tear it all down, just so the "Liberals" don't win anything.

That hate factory Fox has been attacking what the talking heads on FOX like to call Arrogant Intellectual Liberals from day one on the air, they have started something that is not going to end well.

Your analogy of Pol Pot is very very... unsettling.

 

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Sick. Sick. Sick. You must do something relatively quick and get back on track, because in generation or two when those poor people that cant afford schools start to think of revolution they will blame rich people and even maybe upper middle class people. In any outcome it will not be pleasant experience, to anyone. I`m talking about full revolution here not just some localized riots.

I don't believe it will come to that. We in America have just about Perfected Propaganda.

Perdy soon the politicos and talking heads will have the majority believing that we are the number one country in the world... For say medical care... Oh thats right they already did that...

Or they might get everyone believing that the US is a "True Democracy" and not a Capitalist State... Oh thats right they already did that too.


Before too long the politicos and talking heads will have everyone thinking they are eating "high on the Hog" when they are eating

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... just wait and see.

 

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I agree learning does not necessarily leads to liberalism. I`m trying to learn something new every day and I dont think I could be called liberal. Maybe at some things but generally speaking no.

I mentioned Pol Pot as sarcasm, not likely to happen in any scenario.

Revolution on the other hand will be most likely outcome, maybe not in 2 generations but will be inevitable if this oplicy continues. History has a tendency to repeat itself without a fail when it comes to oppression. Sooner or later, oppressed becomes oppressor in one short burst of anger. No propaganda can handle that. Once oppression begins to represent a threat to oppressee`s survival, survival instinct kicks in and uneducated people usually dont see any other way of handling that kind of situation, or to be more precise maybe there wont be any other methods available, and what you have is full scale revolution. You could compare recent and ongoing revolutions in Africa and Middle East to this but I believe that just because of the size of USA and its military might it will be compareable more to Russian or French revolution. Tigher the oppressors grip on the power is, bloodier the revolution is.