Maybe it is time....Maybe I am just venting.

LHofsdal

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Hey there CM members,

I am not sure if this is the right place to post this, if it is not, I kindly ask the mods to move this post to the right place.

First, let me start this post off by saying that it has been very informative and educational, not to forget hysterical to be a member of this forum. I have learned alot by the posts and have been educated by the members here on the whole online gaming industry. And I have been entertained a lot by the posts here also.

After this whole mess with EwalletXpress, and not being sure if I will ever get the 10 grand in my account, and all my withdrawals that are in "Limbo" it has just left a bad feeling in my stomach. I don't know who to blame, but I can tell you all I do take most of the blame. After all I was the one gambling.

These are just my opinion and feelings, nothing I say I can prove as fact but this is the way I feel about it. But what I do know as fact, is that credit should be given where credit is due.

Kudos, to Tom, the ClubWorld Rep. I have been amazed on how much he has helped me to figure out where my withdrawal was. I really do appreciate all the time and effort he put in to help me.

A BIG THUMBS UP to the Jackpot Capitol group. They were the first one to tell me that my withdrawal was sent back because EWX was down. Thanks for being straight up with me, I appreciate it.

Inetbet, not sure what to say. You say my withdrawal was processed on 11/17 and sent to EWX, EWX says it is not possible because they were down on the 15th at approximately 4 PM EST. And other withdrawals that I had from other casinos were sent back to my casino accounts on the 15th and 16th. How the one withdrawal with Inetbet went through on the 17th is still a mystery. I made my last deposit today with this casino until this gets sorted out.

Maybe it is time to hang up my 'online' gamling shoes for awhile to see where things are going. I do believe that on line gaming has changed. But the question is who do we blame? The casinos, the software providers, or ourselves. I think all of the above are to blame. The sad part is, the casinos are out to make money, and the software providers are the ones to ensure the casinos make money and we the players are the ones giving them our money. What a nasty cycle...

More and more, members are posting how horrible their play time has been and how it takes hundreds of spins to hit a bonus round. I to have had that happen, I won't name the casino but 213 spins to hit a feature and then get 6.50 for it, is pretty sad. Now I read that Betfair has actually gone back into a players bank account and took back their winning. What the hell is up with that? I see that nothing is safe anymore. How many times have you logged into a casino to find out there has been a new update? You can bet these new updates are not anything in the customers favor. I have only been gambling on line just a little over a year, and I am just sickened by all of this BS.

Then you have these new e-wallets, charging accounts 2 or 3 times for the same deposits and then get nasty when you go to live help to figure things out. After all, why should they be nice to you when you are pointing out that the e-wallet made a mistake. Who the hell are we to question the double charges on our bank accounts?

Lets not forget Quicktender, who now only lets you deposit with your credit/debit cards at certain times during the day. For the life of me I still can't figure this one out.

I really wonder, what recourse do we, as americans, have with these casinos and e-wallets? We really don't have any. They can steal from us, lie to our faces, and what can we do about it? We can stop playing at their establishment, never use that e-wallet again and that is about it. But if we as players band together and say F'em, there really is strength in numbers. Instead of lining their pockets with our money and fill our own bank accounts, don't you think these casinos and e-wallets will start to feel the pinch. I really think they would and we would start to see a change.

If I really wanted to jump through all these damn hoops, I would do it with my hubbys wallet, just to take Aunt Visa and Uncle Mastercard out for a shopping trip. Now that would be worth it because I would have something to show for it in the end. I don't gamble on line to make a living, I don't gamble with money that I don't have and I don't use credit cards to gamble. I have been fortunate to win 2 RJP in my short time gambling on line. But with that being said, I am still sickened to see what other members have been going through.

Okay, I think I am done with my venting. Again this is my thoughts and feelings. I really do hope we start to see a change for the better and the not the worst. But at this time, I don't see it coming in the near future.

All, the best,
LH
 
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felicie

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Well I for one will miss your 'thoughts & feelings' around here and wish you all the luck possible in getting your money out, I'd feel sick too over that amount. So take care and maybe we'll see you when things look a little brighter. :)
 

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Maybe it is time to hang up my 'online' gamling shoes for awhile to see where things are going. I do believe that on line gaming has changed. But the question is who do we blame? The casinos, the software providers, or ourselves. I think all of the above are to blame. The sad part is, the casinos are out to make money, and the software providers are the ones to ensure the casinos make money and we the players are the ones giving them our money. What a nasty cycle...

More and more, members are posting how horrible their play time has been and how it takes hundreds of spins to hit a bonus round. I to have had that happen, I won't name the casino but 213 spins to hit a feature and then get 6.50 for it, is pretty sad.

It is a nasty cycle indeed. The problem is that with money theres greed, all Casino's are in it for the money and not doing anyone any favours. They are nice to you only because they want your money. They don't care who you are and where you are from - as long as you speak their language - MONEY. They do not offer what B&M's do... They don't care and rather give u a $50 chip with a Max Cashout...

216 spins to get a feature is NOTHING... lol, try playing 700+ spins in one session and not even getting the feature... See attached for an example from 3dice Casino. I know, i know... The High Variance crew will pitch up and defend such a result. But i can go on posting spreadsheets from Their lowest variance games that exhibit the same behaviour.

Well, my post is not aimed at 3dice but giving assurance that you are not the only one thinking things are fishy. Casino games are all RTP based and every rep will try to dismiss this. You are not getting fair play time or the games are always weighted way too much in the Casinos favour. RTP's can be manipulated easily and we cannot confirm who has access to what.

Credit providers are becoming nasty and the law is closing in on greedy ewallet providers, casinos and the like.

It is a vicious cycle and will continue to be as long as their is money involved. It is no secret what Casino's are out to do... they are not here to offer you Support or Love (lol). They go rogue in an instant (Betfair:thumbsup:), are underfunded and offer crappy returns. They cite stupid T&C's to rob people of their money (Hint Hint) ... They try to make you deposit more and more with the promise of upping your WD limits (VIPSlots) which is SAD to say the very least.

There are a few who are honest... but 99% of the industry is tarnished. The fewer deposits they have - the tighter they become... And suddenly you find yourself on a losing streak from hell...

I have been an avid player for many years and would have never thought the industry will develop into what it is today. I knew very little when i began to play. I chose to go with certain software providers on recommendation and I believe i was shafted thoroughly because i was stupid enough to keep deposting and feeding their greed.

I now know things that i did not know a few years ago. I have seen things i should have not. I do not want to start a conspiracy... and I will not delve into details. Take it as you wish.... But if you only knew...

See this attached screen shot from RTG's website... LOL (Need i Say more?)

Nate
 

Nate

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Sorry,

Just for Clarity - The attached Spreadsheet is (From left to Right):

Date, Time, Game, Start Balance, Bet, Win, End Balance.

Everything highlighted in yellow equates to a ZERO Win.

Nate
 

plasticnote

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Hi Nate:
I view your excel and feel cold. Are you sure that not a malfunction of server?
I sometimes lost few 1000s over a night of play but my balance is up and down not like this. This is a free fall:what:
 

Nate

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This is a free fall:what:

:lolup: No - That is 3Dice ...

Im sure there was no malfunction. All the other games I played there had the same outcome... Win Small, Lose Big ...

See here for other Graphs depicting the same 'unlucky behaviour'

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/the-losers-diary.39471/

{/Derail}

With the problems facing Ewallets and Credit Cards - The poor folk in the US have it very tough. I agree 100% with LHofsdal - things are not looking any brighter with sudden rogue behaviour from well established outfits either. I for one, although not based in the US, am being limited on VISA deposits, MC is not accepted in most places and I am afraid to even use an Ewallet because of recent developements.

Nate
 

AudiManinBoro

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Saying that I never normally have great luck at 3Dice either and in the past deposits have gone fairly quick, but currently im playing there on what was only a small deposit which has lasted so far for the last 3 days and im still roughly 10 times my starting balance. Ive gone up, iv gone down but ive had a cracking amount of playtime. Just goes to show.
 

plasticnote

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I think OP has a point, the online gaming experiences are not as good as it used to be. It "kills" a lot of new/old players. It is a tough time for both casinos and players. I hope some big brands should not be short sights, because things will turn better, this is a business cycle. Keep player base, that is the bottom line.

Sorry for the derail.
Hi Nate:
I had a 3Dice account, from my personal experience, the variant is just too high. I think in such a tough time, their developers should lower a bit variant. Like what they did to SuperSuite+. Rather give 1 player 1000x wins, it maybe better pay 10 player 100x wins.:notworthy

Hope I am right here.
 

aceking123

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hi i dont seem to have as many problems with 3dice as you guys seem to have, i have good fun & plently of play time there , but after my recent winning month at mg casinos , im sad to say ive given them it all back plus another 2k or so , you think 3 dice is bad ?, well try mg casinos there even worst & the two casinos i play at are the big ones , nothing 100s & 100s of spins of 2.50 plus if i am lucky to hit a feature it pays so bad you would be better not having it , im lucky i can play whatever software being in uk , but i would like to say to you usa guys atm your best NOT playing the games we can , because you will save alot of money , theres been alot of spec lately about things not being right & have been seeing this over my last 3 weeks of playing at mg casinos the payouts are just very very poor , so far on lucky ba$tard slot (uk AWP ) 700 spins still not got 2 sets of black bars in thats very bad in any play , yes i know its high vari but not to get two sets of black bars in all those spins isnt right to me & i could go on . but pointless time for me also to take a break for a while as im not finding it fun atm , best to leave it & save some funds .
 

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Sorry for the derail.
Hi Nate:
I had a 3Dice account, from my personal experience, the variant is just too high. I think in such a tough time, their developers should lower a bit variant. Like what they did to SuperSuite+. Rather give 1 player 1000x wins, it maybe better pay 10 player 100x wins.:notworthy

Hope I am right here.

You are absolutely correct IMPO - Limited Slots, Bad retuns and High Variance games make very few people happy. I still cannot fathom how it was possible for me to lose for so long over and over again...

Hope your luck turns elsewhere...

Nate
 

aceking123

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You are absolutely correct IMPO - Limited Slots, Bad retuns and High Variance games make very few people happy. I still cannot fathom how it was possible for me to lose for so long over and over again...

Hope your luck turns elsewhere...

Nate

NATE , just a quick question for do you play everyday or everyweek at 3 dice ? i tend not to over play there i play when i feel like it which sometimes is only once in a week purely down to how the vip works tbh , i do make deposits from 50+ but i only play short bursts i dont play for prolong periods & i play a fair ammount of roulette there , not sure to wether this helps.
 

plasticnote

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hi i dont seem to have as many problems with 3dice as you guys seem to have, i have good fun & plently of play time there , but after my recent winning month at mg casinos , im sad to say ive given them it all back plus another 2k or so , you think 3 dice is bad ?, well try mg casinos there even worst & the two casinos i play at are the big ones , nothing 100s & 100s of spins of 2.50 plus if i am lucky to hit a feature it pays so bad you would be better not having it , im lucky i can play whatever software being in uk , but i would like to say to you usa guys atm your best NOT playing the games we can , because you will save alot of money , theres been alot of spec lately about things not being right & have been seeing this over my last 3 weeks of playing at mg casinos the payouts are just very very poor , so far on lucky ba$tard slot (uk AWP ) 700 spins still not got 2 sets of black bars in thats very bad in any play , yes i know its high vari but not to get two sets of black bars in all those spins isnt right to me & i could go on . but pointless time for me also to take a break for a while as im not finding it fun atm , best to leave it & save some funds .

Hi MrJ:
I do not have problems with 3Dice, I play very few times there and I sometimes won a bit. I just suggest them how to keep most of players happy and come back more rather just please few players.

Regarding MG, yes, the slots&VP play has hit the rock bottom and now start digging.

As I said this is tough time, some small groups may soon belly up, but if MG really did something to protect these samll groups, it could damage its big brand clients. Considering this, if, I say if many players start complaining red32 lower payout, crap games, it will be very not fair for these big brands. just my 2 cents
 

LHofsdal

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Well I for one will miss your 'thoughts & feelings' around here and wish you all the luck possible in getting your money out, I'd feel sick too over that amount. So take care and maybe we'll see you when things look a little brighter. :)

I am not leaving this wonderful forum, just not playing online like I used to. There is to much valuable information and laughs I would be missing out on. What else can I do on any given day, now that I am retired. LOL.

Please, I ask all of you, don't turn this thread into one that is out to bring light on one casino. I did not start this thread to "bash", for a lack of a better term, any one casino. I started this thread because of the following reasons,

1-When I said I was sickened to read what casinos are doing to people, I wasn't lying. I was literally sick, vomitting sick as to what I was reading with BetFair. And to be honest, it pissed me off because this all happened on my birthday, after spending the most wonderful day with my family.

2-This forum has so many guests reading it at any given time. I felt if I could post some of the things happening in the industry in one post, it might benefit the new comer to the industry. If it were me and I was just a guest reading this forum, I would most definately not deposit anywhere on line.

So please, don't get me wrong, I understand all the frustrations everyone is writing about. But lets not just get on 1 casino. The post was meant to be about the whole industry.

Thanks,
LH
 

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Saying that I never normally have great luck at 3Dice either and in the past deposits have gone fairly quick, but currently im playing there on what was only a small deposit which has lasted so far for the last 3 days and im still roughly 10 times my starting balance. Ive gone up, iv gone down but ive had a cracking amount of playtime. Just goes to show.



Not to pick at you, but this is what we see with any casino that is mentioned. A poster will come in and state they have had a great session, even withdrew a great amount, or achieved many hours of play, so things must be normal, right?

All it takes is just a few players to re-trigger the want again for normalcy from the many.

Ignore all the warning signs, forget how many have lost thousands, daily, while just a few win, forget that once free spins and bonus rounds could be achieved in 50 or so spins, let's accept that 250 plus an astronomical amount and still rising is perfectly normal variance.

Let's not concern ourselves that casinos are doing everything they can, by hook or crook, to keep our money coming in at any cost to the players.

Let us not concern ourselves either by the casinos, accredited and not that have confiscated, not paid winners that are legitimate for non legitimate reasons.

Let us not forget how the T&C's, which should be pretty basic, have become so ridiculous, they must be written by our own congress when it comes to loopholes and deliberate room for misunderstandings.

After all, someone just had a good run so the rest of us must be deluded or paranoid, so lets run back to the trough, there must be a morsel in it for me.

It's no wonder our government and casinos think we're all stupid cattle, if we are so easily swayed, by a miracle that just happened to occur for a very few.

We are like circus animals that are trained to jump through hoops. Frankly, I hate hoop jumping, it's tedious and boring and I don't get a bit of fun from it.

One good stallion can lead and entire herd.
 

felicie

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I really agree with what you're saying Mavin but then I think hell it's gambling! We know it's risky and we may lose our ass and more than once. There are a lot of people all over the world that think we are nuts to gamble no matter what amount of integrity the casino holds or shows. They wouldn't do it even if Mother Teresa or Jesus himself was regulating it. Because it's a gamble. I guess I'm just saying 'in a perfect world maybe' but I don't see that happening on Earth in our lifetime so I'm going to enjoy it while I can while totally acknowledging it may kick my ass to hell and back again and if there comes a time when I feel totally burnt and bled of all my money and enjoyment then I'll move on. And considering the fact that I'm down from a couple of hundred accounts to 3 that I still play at, moving on is probably right around the next corner.
 

JAMES50

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I totally agree with the original post..Its just not worth it anymore..I have deleted the casino's from my pc and unsubcribed to there mailings(if it matters) and stick to land casino's or cruise ship..Till they figure out and get better orginized..Though we loved club world,,I have noticed a change in the last 6 month's..Not only in play but in vip bonus's and online chat waiting time.and in withdrawal waiting time..One withdrawal they had declined and couldn't let me know why,,Though we did nothing differant than any other time...Tom was good,,though he couldn't answer why the deposit was put back into to play.So he gave us some free play..So that being said Good Luck to all..........:thumbsup:
 

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The OP, Lori or LH?, made a very impressive post when this thread was started. We have pretty much seen every version of this story, probably a hundred or more times in the last couple of years And, just like the others that posted this, they usually came back and sung praises of this casino and put the evil eye on another casino or two. I am not picking on you, please believe me. It is just human nature, that's all.
NATE , just a quick question for do you play everyday or every week at 3 dice ? i tend not to over play there i play when i feel like it which sometimes is only once in a week purely down to how the vip works tbh , i do make deposits from 50+ but i only play short bursts i dont play for prolong periods & i play a fair ammount of roulette there , not sure to wether this helps.

I perfectly understand what you are saying, MrJones. I feel like I do better if I do not "play too often". When I play my cash at the same casino day after day, and even at the same time on these days, more or less, I do bad enough to make me stop. And I do! I leave my bankroll (LOL) sitting and go visit another casino I left some cash in a week or so ago.

I have tried to make people understand this issue when they say B&M's pay more often than on line casinos. I can guarantee that if a person goes to a B&M casino every day, they will not win like they did when they only went once a while.


Not to pick at you, but this is what we see with any casino that is mentioned. A poster will come in and state they have had a great session, even withdrew a great amount, or achieved many hours of play, so things must be normal, right?

All it takes is just a few players to re-trigger the want again for normalcy from the many.

Ignore all the warning signs, forget how many have lost thousands, daily, while just a few win, forget that once free spins and bonus rounds could be achieved in 50 or so spins, let's accept that 250 plus an astronomical amount and still rising is perfectly normal variance.

Let's not concern ourselves that casinos are doing everything they can, by hook or crook, to keep our money coming in at any cost to the players.

Let us not concern ourselves either by the casinos, accredited and not that have confiscated, not paid winners that are legitimate for non legitimate reasons.

Let us not forget how the T&C's, which should be pretty basic, have become so ridiculous, they must be written by our own congress when it comes to loopholes and deliberate room for misunderstandings.

After all, someone just had a good run so the rest of us must be deluded or paranoid, so lets run back to the trough, there must be a morsel in it for me.

It's no wonder our government and casinos think we're all stupid cattle, if we are so easily swayed, by a miracle that just happened to occur for a very few.

We are like circus animals that are trained to jump through hoops. Frankly, I hate hoop jumping, it's tedious and boring and I don't get a bit of fun from it.

One good stallion can lead and entire herd.

Mavin, I know how you love to lecture at others, but other people are entitled to their opinions also. without being sermonized by you. All I can say about your dramatic post is...AMEN, Brothers and Sisters!

AMEN



Oh Yeah! Who wants to be Stallion of the week? :p
 

LHofsdal

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The OP, Lori or LH?, made a very impressive post when this thread was started. We have pretty much seen every version of this story, probably a hundred or more times in the last couple of years And, just like the others that posted this, they usually came back and sung praises of this casino and put the evil eye on another casino or two. I am not picking on you, please believe me. It is just human nature, that's all.

I wasn't "singing praise" at anyone casino. I was just letting people know that some reps will go out of their way to help. This group has always been good to me, but even with all their help and all the times they have given me a free chips, I have still made the decision to stop depositing there.

I don't have any intentions of making any deposits at any online casino until I see things change for the better. I really don't see that coming in the near future. Look at was is happening to Cheetahwind, her bank is now involved for some reason. That reason is because the bank is trying to protect their "a$$" from the government. Do they have the right to do this? Yes, they do because of the laws here in the US. Do I think these laws are right? No. I worked for 21 years in the same place, paid my taxes every year and on time, and if I wan't to spend my money, the government should not tell me how to do so.

Do I think you were picking on me, Nope. I don't think that at all, but it is not in my nature to come back in here and post something for an online casino in the near future. I am a woman of my word, and until things change, you will not see me come in here and write a post about how good a run I have had, post screen shots and give a thumbs up to any casino.

I do wish everyone that continues to play online the best of luck. I hope they do win massive jackpots. I love to see the screenshots of their wins. My only concern is for the people in the US, I don't want them in the same boat I am, in where I did have a massive win and now I can not touch most of it.

We all have our opinions, thoughts and feelings. I respect them all, I was just simply letting people know mine like I stated in the first part of my post. And I wanted to let the "new comers" that read these posts know that there is very informative and educational posts all over this forum. Because I when I joined, I thought it just this forum only dealt with online casinos. As you can see, I was way of the mark with that thought.

Lori, aka LHofsdal, aka LH:D
 
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