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Massachusetts stealth attack...

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by jetset, Nov 8, 2007.

    Nov 8, 2007
  1. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    STEALTH ATTACK ON INTERNET GAMBLING

    Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick includes anti-online gambling clause in land casino bill

    Governor Deval Patrick of Massachusetts was caught out by the Poker Players' Alliance in a little sleight of political hand this week when he proposed a bill to allow resort-style casinos into the state, but included a rather hypocritical clause to ban Internet gambling.

    The legislator now faces a growing outcry from online gamblers against his "Act Establishing and Regulating Resort Casinos in the Commonwealth" - specifically a clause in the 28 page proposal which reads:

    "Any person who knowingly transmits or receives a wager of any type by any telecommunication device, including telephone, cellular phone, Internet, local area network, including wireless local networks, or any other similar device or equipment or other medium of communication, or knowingly installs or maintains said device or equipment for the transmission or receipt of wagering information shall be punished by imprisonment in a house of correction for not more than 2 years, or a fine of not more than $25 000, or both."

    The PPA picked up on the deeply buried clause, which had received little attention, and made a warning statement appealing to Massachsetts online gamblers to make their views known to their state representatives.

    In the statement, PPA executive director John Pappas pointed out the irony of including anti-online gambling legislation in a pro-casino gambling bill.

    The governor is already experiencing heavy opposition to the proposal, which has yet to gather significant support. One of the biggest objections relates to the validity of the plan's financial assumptions. Patrick has estimated that the three proposed resort casinos would generate 20 000 jobs and $2 billion in economic activity, but his assessment is being vigorously questioned. The Massachusetts Taxpayers Association has come forward to say that the proposal's financial assumptions are not credible; revenues are overstated and state incomes from the venture will never be realised.

    Massachusetts Representative Dan Bosely, Chair of the Joint Committee on Economic Development and Emerging Technologies, typifies the toughening opposition when he says: "They're short in all of the accounts. There isn't enough for public infrastructure, mitigation, or all sorts of social ills. It's pie in the sky, and they're not going to do this."
     
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  2. Nov 8, 2007
  3. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    More opinions and stuff in this thread.

    We have been a pioneering state in many different areas. If anything, we should be the first state to regulate and legalize online gambling. Instead, You must register/login in order to see the link. wants us to join Washington and Louisiana's fight against it.
     
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  4. Nov 10, 2007
  5. nielsenj

    nielsenj Dormant account webmeister

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    I thought American legislators were supposed to stop attaching important bills to other bills, but this practice seems to continue. No matter what anyone may think of online casino gambling important laws should not be hidden away like this. It is morally wrong and it is also a democratic problem if such as practice continues.

    Boston Globe today runs a follow up story including comments from Barney Frank: You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  6. Nov 10, 2007
  7. just play

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    I'm from Mass. and don't like Deval at all. I think there was a story on him spending a lot of tax payers money on himself.

    What is the big deal with online gambling?

    Mass. is supposed to be opening 4 new casinos I believe.
     
  8. Nov 11, 2007
  9. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Hence the nickname "Cadillac Man" that I gave him (the link to an article about that debacle is in my post above).

    I wish I knew.

    Just three actually. One for the Worcester and westward region (which is a pretty big region to only have 1 casino, if you ask me); another for north of Boston, and another closer to Rhode Island, if I remember correctly.
     
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  10. Nov 11, 2007
  11. Mousey

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  12. Nov 11, 2007
  13. jetset

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    And therein lies the rampant hypocrisy of the proposal - try to expand land gambling, and then insert a pretty much hidden clause banning its (potential) online gambling competition.

    The more I see of politicians like this, the less I like 'em! Everywhere!
     
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  14. Nov 11, 2007
  15. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    I came here late, and I'm not the fray :)
     
  16. Nov 11, 2007
  17. lots0

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    For some "family Values" conservatives, online gambling seems to be akin to Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    But this is just political slime.

    Getting your buddies land based casino all set up and legal and at the same time reducing the land based casinos competition by outlawing online casinos.

    I wonder how much Patrick and his family was going to get for this "service" to the land based casinos...
     
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  18. Nov 11, 2007
  19. just play

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    I thought there was supposed to be one semi close to me? Unless the north of Boston one is supposed to be the one, because the other two aren't close. I am near Springfield.
     
  20. Nov 11, 2007
  21. BingoT

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    The great Town of Palmer, MA is one of them I heard.
    That was one place I use to go to the bars.
    Great Town
     
  22. Nov 11, 2007
  23. just play

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    The more and more I think of this, the more and more I get angry.

    It's like they are taking your paycheck and telling you what to spend your money on.

    Okay ma'am, today you can spend $100 on groceries, you have to pay your phone bill and electric bill, you cannot use your left over money for yourself to enjoy, because if you do, you will find yourself in jail. Unless of course you want to drive down to our new and wonderful casino, then I will permit you to use your left over money.
     
  24. Nov 11, 2007
  25. just play

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    Palmer is kind of close to me. At least there will be one in this area. Not that I will go, lol, I went to Foxwoods once and didn't like it. :eek: But then again I was with a person I didn't like. Hahahahahaha
     
  26. Nov 11, 2007
  27. BingoT

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    See You went with the wrong person.
    You go with me we are talking another story.
    Yes the one in Palmer, MA is going to be close to a place I went to as a kid lol The Magic Lantern What a sleaze I was lol.
     
  28. Nov 11, 2007
  29. silkprint

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    I know that the people who in the past screamed NOT to have casinos in Mass are now changing their tune for some strange reason and saying it will be good for shutins?[ would'NT ONLINE playing be better for them ] I know how I will vote . I would rather gamble online that have casinos here in Mass run by Massachusetts. We know the chances of winning on their slots will be harder than hell anyway . Just look at our taxes ! It does amaze me though that they hate online gambling so much but if you walk into any convienience store here there are over 80 instant scratch tickets for sale .
     
  30. Nov 11, 2007
  31. BingoT

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    For some strange reason is.
    Foxwoods
    Mohegan Sun
    Twin River But this one is open from 9am to 2pm
    Do you know how many Buses from Mass go to all three daily LOTS
    Mass has to step up to the plate and get some of that cabbage.And I don't blame them one bit.
     
  32. Nov 13, 2007
  33. jetset

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    STEALTH CLAUSE ON INTERNET GAMBLING INCLUDES HEAVY FINES (Update)

    Echoes of Washington State in proposed draconian penalties for Massachusetts online gambling

    If Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick has his way, online gamblers in the state could face jail terms of up to two years and $25 000 fines, reports the Boston Globe, which has examined the governor's latest legislative proposals in depth.

    The Boston newspaper has carried incisive reportage on the bill, which seeks to expand land gambling in the state with new casinos, but includes a hypocrisy ridden and deeply buried clause that would ban online gambling and follow the Washington State example by making it a C class felony.

    Patrick's proposed legislation has evoked criticism from a number of other Massachusetts politicos, including fellow Democrat and high profile pro-online gambling champion Representative Barney Frank.

    Frank, who has launched legislation to regulate and license online gambling in the United States as a means of better protecting players and giving them back their right of choice voiced his reservations about the governor's bill this week when he said: "Why is gambling in a [land] casino OK and gambling on the Internet is not? He's making a big mistake. He's giving opponents an argument against him."

    Governor Patrick's spokesmen have thus far failed to explain the governor's rationale for including the provision in the proposed legislation. They also declined to respond to Frank's comments.

    But Kofi Jones, who spoke on behalf of the governor's chief gambling adviser, said: "Several of the provisions of the governor's proposed resort casinos bill seek to clarify the laws relating to gaming in Massachusetts, including online gaming."

    Others have suggested the provision was included to make casino licenses more lucrative by preventing competition from online operators, the newspaper reported.

    "If you were cynical about it, you'd think that they're trying to set up a monopoly for the casinos," the report quoted David G. Schwartz, director of the Center for Gaming Research at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

    Patrick's bill will likely not be voted on until 2008.
     
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  34. Nov 14, 2007
  35. jetset

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    DEVAL BILL CRITICISED BY iMEGA (Update)

    Internet gambling ban "another unconstitutional infringement of Americans' digital rights."

    The feisty Internet Media Entertainment & Gaming Association (iMEGA) has joined the growing number of critical voices against a bid to ban online gambling on pain of severe penalties in the state of Massachusetts (see previous InfoPowa reports).

    The proposed legislation, which is ironically contained within a bill that seeks to expand land casino gambling in the eastern state, has been submitted by Massachusetts governor Patrick Deval but has come in for heavy flak and extensive media coverage centred on its hypocrisy and felony level penalties. The proposal will not be voted on until 2008, according to political observers.

    Edward Leyden, President of iMEGA suggests that the governor holds fire until the results of iMEGA's clash with the Department of Justice over the constitutional legality of UIGEA are available.

    "This past Saturday, The Boston Globe reported that casino legislation filed by Gov. Deval Patrick contained a provision to ban online gaming," said Leyden. "The proposed law, which would criminally punish conduct carried out by Massachusetts residents on the Internet, would be another unconstitutional infringement of Americans' digital civil rights.

    "Currently iMEGA is embroiled with the Department of Justice in litigation in federal court over the constitutionality of the Unlawful Internet Gaming and Enforcement Act, a bill that [effectively] banned most Internet gaming nationally. We believe our lawsuit will result in an affirmative recognition by a federal court of the existence of fundamental privacy and associational right to communicate and interact with others via the medium of the Internet in a manner similar to communication and interaction outside of the Internet.

    "As this case makes it way through the legal system, we believe that it would be best for the Massachusetts legislature to forestall action on this provision and, if, as we expect, a preliminary injunction is issued in iMEGA v. DOJ, et al., legislators should remove this provision from the legislation."
     
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  36. Nov 15, 2007
  37. jetset

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    MASSACHUSETTS BILL CONTINUES TO ATTRACT FLAK

    Governor's attempt to expand land gambling could stumble on Internet banning clause

    The row over Massachusett governor Deval Patrick's attempt to ban online gaming whilst promoting land gambling expansion in the Bay state continued to make mainstream headlines across the United States yesterday.

    The widely read daily Boston Magazine typified much of the comment when it declared it was still trying to figure out "...what the hell the governor was thinking."

    The op-ed article continued: "Making it legal to play poker in buildings while making it illegal to play poker on computer screens, is beyond hypocritical, it just sounds stupid."

    The magazine goes on to examine a scenario where land casino operators are made "sole overlords" of Massachusetts gambling as a means of generating bigger revenues for the state, and associates the attempted ban on Internet gaming with eliminating fair competition to the land casinos.

    But it points out that Patricks casino bill faces an uphill climb, and the last thing it needs is more boulders blocking its path, "....and hypocrisy tends to be a pretty big rock."

    Democrat Rep. Frank Hynes was questioned on the Internet gambling ban proposal and the severe penalties Patrick wants to impose with it. Despite maintaining that its way too early in the process to decide his final vote, Hynes sounded exceptionally miffed when discussing the online gaming clause. I mean, why do that? he said. It doesnt make a whole of sense to expand gambling and then say online gambling should be shut down.

    Hynes main gripeespecially coming from the perspective of a gambling sceptic making a concerted effort to study both sideswas the lack of thought and analysis that seems to have gone into the online gambling clause, buried deep within the legislation.

    Hynes told the magazine that he is of the mind that the state ought to be embracing the Internet Gambling Regulation and Enforcement Act bill that Democrat Rep. Barney Frank is working through Congress, which would make online gambling legal.

    By marketing online, you plug into a very easy way of capturing revenues that otherwise would be lost, said Hynes. We ought to embrace the Internet as being the new marketplace of the future, rather than prohibiting its use.

    The magazine hyptothesised that if the states three new [proposed] land casinos hosted online poker games themselves, maybe even with incentives, it could work for them as well.

    "Better to use the Internet than try to quash it, right? Were not China, after all," the article concludes.
     
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  38. Dec 16, 2007
  39. jetset

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    MASSACHUSETTS GAMBLING BILL DEBATE NEXT WEEK

    Governor Deval Patrick will attempt to persuade state politicians to accept casino plan

    Controversial state legislative proposals to license and tax casinos in Massachusetts, including a buried protectionist clause to outlaw online gambling, are to be extensively debated by lawmakers this week.

    Governor Deval Patrick and Mayor Thomas M. Menino, as well as several casino executives, are expected to headline a hearing at the State House on the financial impact of the governor's casino proposal. The hearing will be the highest-profile to date on expanded gambling since the governor unveiled his proposal to license three casinos in September, reports the Boston Globe.

    "The administration expects to be there in full force," said Kyle Sullivan, the governor's press secretary.

    Also expected at the hearing are casino moguls Gary Loveman, the chief executive officer of Harrah's Entertainment, and Sheldon Adelson, who owns Las Vegas Sands and is the third-richest man in America.

    Celebrity businessman Donald Trump, who is also interested in developing a casino in Massachusetts, declined an invitation to attend and is sending his lobbying team from Ventry Associates, led by Dennis Murphy, former state representative.

    The hearing, which is before the Joint Committee on Bonding, Capital Expenditures, and State Assets, is designed to better gauge financial estimates of the casinos, so that legislators can better learn about long-range spending implications. It will provide a preview of the debate to come next year, when the bill is expected to be considered in full by a different panel, the Joint Committee on Economic Development and Emerging Technologies.

    "This has become, at least temporarily, the big circus," said Senator Mark Montigny, a Democrat from New Bedford and co-chairman of the committee.

    The hearings had been pushed by the House chairman, Representative David Flynn, a Bridgewater Democrat and longtime supporter of the state's four racetracks. Owners at three of the state's four racetracks - Wonderland Greyhound Park, Plainridge Racecourse, and Raynham Park - also plan to present a rare united front, testifying that legislators should resurrect a plan to add slot machines at their tracks.

    But an informal Globe poll of all 19 members of the legislative committee that will consider Patrick's proposal showed that it would probably get a negative vote that could prove difficult to overcome.

    "There's a lot of strikes against it," said Representative Barry Finegold, a Democrat from Andover and a member of the Joint Committee on Economic Development and Emerging Technologies who does not support the governor's plan to license three casinos.

    "I don't think the issue is dead," he said. "But it needs a whole lot of convincing."

    Interviews with members of the influential panel present a microcosm of the debate that is taking place on Beacon Hill and illustrate the large hurdles Patrick faces, chief among them House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi.

    Twelve members of the committee said they are inclined to vote against the proposal, unless wholesale changes are made, such as reducing the number of casinos in the plan, giving more gambling proceeds to cities and towns, or allowing the state's racetracks to add slot machines. Three members said they are leaning in favor of the proposal. Four said they are on the fence.

    Patrick's administration said it has been speaking with legislators, but most of those on the committee said they have not been contacted by the governor on the issue.

    The governor's legislation, which was filed in October, would license one resort casino in Western Massachusetts, Southeastern Massachusetts, and metropolitan Boston. Patrick says each casino could generate $200 million to $300 million in licensing fees every 10 years. He is also counting on another $400 million a year for state coffers, gambling revenue that he would use for property tax relief and roads and bridges.

    Proponents of the proposal argue that the state needs new sources of revenue. They also cite the amount of money Massachusetts residents are spending at neighbouring Connecticut casinos.

    Committee members against the idea cited several reasons, saying they do not trust the revenue estimates supplied by the Patrick administration, which did not conduct an independent study and has provided little explanation of how it arrived at its numbers. They also argued some local businesses and resort communities would be negatively affected by the competition from casinos.
     
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