Mansion screwing me over

I didn't read it that way. I read it as that if he plays through the $520, Mr. Knipe will release the other $480 immediately upon completion.

In my opinion, this sucks. If the circumstances were beyond their control, they were also beyond the player's control - and thus what was completed up to that time should have been released by the casino and the remaining bit forfeited - that is the only fair solution.
 
Winbig, I am pretty sure Spearmaster's interpretation is the correct one. Especially since they said they are not changing their stance.

They sure do like to word these things in confusing ways though.
 
For a Casinomeister "Accredited" casino, I'm a bit perplexed as to why they aren't entering into a dialogue about this. This is very, very disappointing and they have been removed from the accredited list.

Agreement on this or not, there should be a dialogue going on here. Apparently, there is none. I've been told that the "Casino team will respond to queries on an individual basis". Well, this response is unsatisfactory. The Casino rep has bailed from the forum, and I have to pull teeth to get answers.

Unacceptable.
 
Nice! Maybe that will get them to think twice about this situation.

So tell me what you think. At this point, should I give up, withdraw and take the $300 loss? Or should I keep my money in there for a while longer and hope that they eventually come around? If there's any hope at all, I'm more than happy to leave my balance there intact for as long as it takes.
 
Well I definitely should have given up here when I suggested it. I had a bumpy ride playing short handed 4/8 and am currently at my low point, down $650 from where I began playing their horrid poker room and only 1/3rd of the way towards accumulating the points I need. I told you I suck at poker! They don't even offer Omaha, the game I am somewhat competent at.

Now they decided to lock me out of poker too. They had damn well better give me the $500 from my casino playthrough now... Email on the subject is pending.
 
Ok... the shit just hit the fan.

Hello Joe

Thank you for your email regarding your MANSION account.

The original agreement made was that as you had wagered enough in Casino to potentially earn 480 USD of your 1,000 USD bonus that the full amount would be released to you when you earned the remainder of your bonus 520 USD through Poker play as per our terms and conditions.

The terms of this bonus were clear when you registered your account in that you must meet the wagering requirements of the bonus before it is credited to your account. The terms and conditions clearly state that:

The wagering requirement as described above for any given deposit amount must be met in order for the bonus to be credited to your account.

Having reviewed your account I can see that you have released 167.27 USD of the 520 USD required through Poker. Unfortunately as you have not fully met your wagering requirements we are unable to release any further bonus funds.

The original email sent informing you of the fact that you are required to fully meet the wagering requirements before your bonus is released to your account was sent on the 3rd November 2006. This was in fact over three months before we made the decision to restrict wagering for our US members. Please understand that the decision to withdraw from the US market at this time has not been taken lightly but has been necessary due to recent changes in the industry.

Before this decision was made you did in fact have over three months to meet the full wagering requirements of your bonus. We have found that for most of our members this is ample time to meet the requirements of any bonus and have it released to their account.

You currently have a balance of 227.34 USD in your MANSION account which you will be able to withdraw using blah blah blah... etc etc etc...

Kindest regards,

Sarah McLean

Member Service Manager

MANSION Member Services


I am freaking furious right now! They persuaded me to play in their horrific poker room even thoguh I said I was bad at it. I made a genuine effort playing thousands of hands and losing over $600 and NOW THEY'RE PULLING THIS CRAP?! These liars and theives need to be blacklisted permanently.
 
ksot are you mad cuz you hedged on the steelers bet? or cuz you got burned trying to exploit their keno loophole on your bonus that you almost certainly only became eligible to earn when you deposited for said free sports bet?

i'll agree this most recent turn where they totally shut you down after you grudgingly accepted to play poker is lame, but you really never should have put yourself in this position to begin with. you chose to undertake playing a 1000 dollar bonus when the immediate future of online gaming for us citizens was uncertain. you certainly ought to have known that the bonus would not be released in increments of any sort, and that a certain amount of wagering was required both to release that bonus and after its release to turn it over into cashable chips. you let them twist your arm into playing poker and losing hundreds of dollars.

you were never prevented from withdrawing your own funds at any time, right? if not, it's your own fault everything that's happened. on the face of it, a 1000 bonus looks nice, but when there are hoops like keno or endless hands of poker to earn it, sometimes it's better to pass on it. it's twistedly pleasurable to watch you getting yanked around by them though, so keep the posts coming. in fact, i'm going to make up some popcorn and read this whole thread again. muahahaha
 
i had a huge diatribe again, but it was far too long to post. ksot has no claim to all or any part of the bonus funds (for a multitude of reasons), and it's his fault he hasn't yet earned it and indeed that he even chased it to begin with. mansion is within their rights to do everything they have done so far, and it was not like they closed down to american players for the purpose of denying bonus, it was just a collateral effect that they somewhat remedy by still allowing poker to be played.

this latest communication that the bonus offer is off the table ("expired", as the qualifying deposit was made ~1 week before the start of the football season), although brash and maybe a little rude considering the poor sod has conceded to play poker and has nearly lost it all anyway, is not terribly roguish. many places require a bonus to be turned over in seven to ninety days or what have you, and ksot has been dragging his feet and trying to have it his way since the football season started.

including playoffs, that's 20+ weeks, so like 5-6 months. if i had someone like him giving me a headache for half a year over goods/funds he had no entitlement to, i'd probably not let him the further opportunity to earn entitlement to them. player never fulfilled his requirement, was given plenty of opportunity to do so, and casino has no obligation to accept a revised deal because the player cannot or will not play.

and as to why i lampooned you in the other thread about OC patti, if you have been gambling for years, then you ought to have known that OC/WC/Crystal et al are not the type of operations you want to be a customer of for years. before i even knew what rtg was, i knew it was bad news.

just saying you and your boyfriend ought to know not to risk money at a shady place. and just off hand, is your boyfriend really short, long beard, wears a hat, and is on travelocity commercials?
 
And you're not a bonus chaser yourself? :

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32vegas-be-cautious.14995/

The 32Vegas group isn't shady? C'mon.

If you've read this thread from the beginning, you'll see that the OP was FORCED to play poker to finish the WR. For you to actually say that "they were asking for it" by continuing to play online right before the UIGEA...well....I won't even go there.

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I won't even get into the last sentence of your post. Let's keep the thread on track instead of getting into a mudslinging contest.
 
mudslinging was to patti, she accused me of working for a casino.

and yes i've played 32v, but it's not near as disreputable as the epic of cloud, curran, crystal and friends. they've recently been called the biggest assholes in the history of online gambling. 32v just bonus-ban whores and give random sketchy bonuses, and their sister site gave me a chance before banning. and i don't remember them deliberately screwing players, fabricating reasons to lock/seize, or slow-paying. plus, their live chat is available in english now lmfao!

yes i go after bonuses, but i do follow their terms to the letter, and i don't try to breach the rules in any way. bonuses are offered to entice deposits and play. believe me if casinos didn't offer bonuses, i would not be playing right now. attractive, competitive bonuses will draw business.

would you deliberately shop at a grocery store that never offered sales/coupons? is it wrong to maximize your savings by stocking up on sale items? or to hit up different grocery stores to get the best deal on many items?

as for my comments on the US legislation bit, i just meant to undertake a particularly LARGE bonus that you know will take many hours to clear and won't be credited until after you've wagered it all. and player was not forced to play poker, as he had every right to cash out at any time. the notion of sunk costs dictates that money spent/lost should not bear on a future spending decision.

when US players were banned, and poker was offered as the only way to complete the bonus, no one held a gun/club/SARS to his head and demanded he continue to meet the wr. player's balance at that point was between 700-800 i believe at that time, and this is not insignificant. that is money you can do something with, and it makes little sense to keep throwing money into what is a losing/volatile proposition.

if you are going after littlewoods free 25 quid monthly, and you lose, say, 50 pounds and have only cleared 15% of the wr, it's not unreasonable to just quit for fear you will lose even more and since the 25 pounds won't even cover what you've already lost. or you enter a poker tournament with rebuys and you find yourself terribly outclassed no matter what table you're at, then when you bust it doesn't make sense to rebuy just because the field is smaller than when it started. or you begin working on a government project, and unforeseen anomalies cause your estimate to skyrocket or public support to decline. you will pack up and scrap the project.

or perhaps you send your country to war, and you start realising to complete your task will require hundreds of times what you expected. yes, gwb, you need to cut and run, staying the course is just throwing money at something that won't ever be fixed. trillions of dollars wasted, no definite end in sight, and no reason to continue being there (not to mention how further lives are being pointlessly spent as well - troops, civilians, even militants who just want the US out and would be productive citizens were they left alone). accept it as a loss, but quit dumping money into a negative expectation.
 
or perhaps you send your country to war, and you start realising to complete your task will require hundreds of times what you expected. yes, gwb, you need to cut and run, staying the course is just throwing money at something that won't ever be fixed. trillions of dollars wasted, no definite end in sight, and no reason to continue being there (not to mention how further lives are being pointlessly spent as well - troops, civilians, even militants who just want the US out and would be productive citizens were they left alone). accept it as a loss, but quit dumping money into a negative expectation.

*shakes head*

Can we leave the war out of it?
 
it's a great example of sunk costs, that's all. not sure how much oil is underneath iraq, but obviously enough to justify a five year war to the tune of 13 figures. instead of going to iraq, y'all could have ended world hunger and probably aids too

now go get in your suv and drive thru for a mcmuffin! lmfao had to!



p.s. it sucks in canada, we have gotten rid of one- and two-dollar bills, the minimum you can give a stripper is a fiver. well, if you hold a toonie in your teeth a dancer will retrieve it with her breasts. it would be funny if a stripper had a shirt on with an arrow what pointed to its low-cut collar and had on it "insert bills here" like a vending machine
 
ksot are you mad cuz you hedged on the steelers bet? or cuz you got burned trying to exploit their keno loophole on your bonus that you almost certainly only became eligible to earn when you deposited for said free sports bet?

I never partook in their NFL promotion. Aren't you the clever one?

you were never prevented from withdrawing your own funds at any time, right? if not, it's your own fault everything that's happened.

It's not my fault that they choose to shut USA customers out of their casino or their poker room with out any notice. That was their decision and it screwed me over twice now. It's also not my fault that they refuse to prorate bonuses in these situations as SBR says is the standard move in this industry.

it's twistedly pleasurable to watch you getting yanked around by them though, so keep the posts coming. in fact, i'm going to make up some popcorn and read this whole thread again. muahahaha

OK? I hope you and everyone you love dies in a fire.

ksot has no claim to all or any part of the bonus funds.

Then why did Casinomeister remove them from his accredited list over this and why are many other affiliates contacting them on my behalf? Seems you're in the vast minority pal.

many places require a bonus to be turned over in seven to ninety days or what have you, and ksot has been dragging his feet and trying to have it his way since the football season started.

Many places do... Mansion doesn't, so what's your point? Oh right, you have none. I have not been dragging my feet, I'm just not good enough at poker to play at a high enough level to clear the bonus quickly. I was taking my bloody time because they said I had forever to earn the points I needed. Why would I rush when they explicitly told me I had forever? How could I know they'd lock us out of poker when there's nothing in the US legislation that forbids it and they specifically let us remain in their poker room while shutting us out of their sports book and casino?

yes i go after bonuses, but i do follow their terms to the letter, and i don't try to breach the rules in any way.

What rules did I try to breach you fumbling idiot?

player was not forced to play poker, as he had every right to cash out at any time

Yes... I'm sure you'd happily to walk away from $480 that you had already earned if there was still a way to free it up. Sounds perfectly logical to me.

if you are going after littlewoods free 25 quid monthly, and you lose, say, 50 pounds and have only cleared 15% of the wr, it's not unreasonable to just quit for fear you will lose even more and since the 25 pounds won't even cover what you've already lost.

This is the stupidest thing I've ever read. +EV is +EV regardless of how you're running.
 

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