bsilva028

Banned : multi-account fraudster
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thats just wrong there's no excuse for that sort of unethical business practice. i'd be really concerned should casinomeister pass this group when there are obvious issues.

i made a pab in that tiem (they was acredited), because they not piad me, but failed because in the phone they tell me 1 thing, in the chat another different, but in that time i was a bit newbie and i did not save the conversations, now after they are in BOF again, i ask to bryan to try solve that problem with their new rep and until now i dont know if they have answered something or not.
 

kavaman

Senior Member
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Not sure if this has already been discussed here, but i find this term to be pretty awfull:
Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED.

So , basicly the wagering requirement when playing SLOTS is 100 times, thats just plain sick. I mean yes there are a few other slots then the real series ones. I mean punish customers that are not from usa and canada is pretty awful, but making a term that real series slots its 4x the standard wagering.

If they wish to pull 100x wagering on players its their right, but putting this term apart from the general 25x bonus terms, and "hiding" it thats just not right. I think most people would concur that they wouldnt touch a casino with 100x wagering on slots .
 

vinylweatherman

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Not sure if this has already been discussed here, but i find this term to be pretty awfull:
Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED.

So , basicly the wagering requirement when playing SLOTS is 100 times, thats just plain sick. I mean yes there are a few other slots then the real series ones. I mean punish customers that are not from usa and canada is pretty awful, but making a term that real series slots its 4x the standard wagering.

If they wish to pull 100x wagering on players its their right, but putting this term apart from the general 25x bonus terms, and "hiding" it thats just not right. I think most people would concur that they wouldnt touch a casino with 100x wagering on slots .

So, in the USA it requires the use of "banking fraud" in order to just do business, yet they have the nerve to accuse anyone outside of the US and Canada of living in a region where fraud is endemic.

In any case, making the WR 100x, even 1000x does nothing to combat fraud. If I steal some credit card info and attempt to launder the proceeds through a casino, I would not worry too much about WR, after all, it's not my money, and if it got too high, I would simply play without bonuses, but make sure they could not pay back to the source of the deposit (simple, use a MasterCard product).
Only the genuine player using their own money is going to be seriously inconvenienced by this, but even this won't last much longer as they will soon be banned from accepting UK bets (they certainly don't seem keen on players outside of the US), and in a few years more, there is a good chance that US regulated operators will drive the likes of Top Game, RTG, Rival etc out of the desires of US customers who will find the official US licensed operations are forced to provide a much better level of service.

In any case, why would a non US player deposit at the ONLY casino that imposes a 100x WR on slots bonuses when every other RTG casino offers a better deal.

It's clear, this is a deliberate attempt by Main Street to deter non US players so as to allow them to concentrate on keeping all their eggs in one basket. If the DoJ or anything else were to knock that one basket out of their hands, they would be screwed. I can't see how they could quickly go from calling us a "bunch of fraudsters" and subjecting those who can't take the hint to a 100x WR, to trying to win us as customers quickly enough to get the cash flowing to save them from the consequences of the sudden drying up of the US market.
 

bsilva028

Banned : multi-account fraudster
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Not sure if this has already been discussed here, but i find this term to be pretty awfull:
Players from outside US and Canada: Due to a higher incidence of fraud and bonus abuse, PLAYERS LOCATED OUTSIDE USA AND CANADA WILL NEED TO ACCOMPLISH TWICE THE REGULAR WAGERING REQUIREMENTS ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND THE GAMES ABOVE, AND THE WAGERING LIMITATION ON ALL BONUSES AND PROMOTIONS WILL BE INCREASED TO 100 TIMES IF REAL SERIES VIDEO SLOTS IS INVOLVED.

So , basicly the wagering requirement when playing SLOTS is 100 times, thats just plain sick. I mean yes there are a few other slots then the real series ones. I mean punish customers that are not from usa and canada is pretty awful, but making a term that real series slots its 4x the standard wagering.

If they wish to pull 100x wagering on players its their right, but putting this term apart from the general 25x bonus terms, and "hiding" it thats just not right. I think most people would concur that they wouldnt touch a casino with 100x wagering on slots .


yes it was discussed
but what is worse than that
is they sending personal e-mails with 25x WR and if the player wins in live chat they say its 100x
 

Casinomeister

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I'm going to go ahead and keep them in the "Reservation" section. They are a good casino group for some, but the 100x bonus WR is just a bit too much and isn't quite fair. If they balance this across the map, then I don't see them having any issues here. But as long as most players here are non-US, it's going to cause problems I'm afraid.
 

skiny

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Location
Canada
Two of these casinos, Slots Plus and Old Havana, came up as "non-random" for blackjack in my testing. In fact, they were so far off from the casinos that did test out for randomness that I shortened their testing sessions.

Translation: I was losing so I quit.

Rather than just analyzing individual and conglomerate playing hand results, I test based on statistical games (the number of hands played per game varies widely), which "end" by either reaching a profit target or by losing a specified maximum bet.

Translation: I make a deposit and hope to win enough to make a withdrawal. Sometimes I go broke.

I then compare the average dollars won per "game" vs. the average dollars lost, which tells me what percentage of games I have to win to profit.

Translation: I check to see if I was on a winning or losing streak.... When I played here I lost.

In casinos that test out for randomness, these values are exceptionally close, even when using different software. In casinos that have been adjusted to play in the casino's favor, the results are glaringly obvious. I wouldn't recommend playing at this group's casinos.

Translation: If I won the games are random. If I lost they aren't.
 

skiny

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I used to play at Sun Palace but one of the things that always bugged me was the 5x WR on deposits without bonuses. I could understand 1x for money laundering purposes but 5x is more than high enough to end up going broke before making a withdrawal. If I deposit $100 and play 1 dollar spins I could get a decent bonus round in the first 100 spins and be sitting with a $500 balance but now I have to wager almost the entire thing at least once before I cash out. It's a recipe for disaster.

I couldn't find this in the terms and conditions so I contacted support to see if it was still there somewhere.

You (07:46:51) : Do deposits without bonuses have a wage requirement? I think they used to.
You (07:46:58) : It was like 5x or something?
You (07:47:36) : 5x WR if I don't take a bonus?
Paula (07:47:51) : correct
You (07:47:57) : Ok, thanks. I tried to find it in the TOC but I can't.
You (07:48:03) : Do you have a link to where it states that?
Paula (07:48:30) : Can I have your username and in which casino do you have it?
You (07:48:29) : I'm just looking at your TOCs.
You (07:48:57) : I thought that was the rule years ago but I couldn't remember if it was this casino group.
You (07:49:16) : Is it on your website in your terms and conditions?

Disconnected by the operator. Chat session has ended.


I guess not?

This is also kind of weird.

Players from Greece: Wagering requirements on all bonuses and promotions will be increased to 200 times if Blackjack is involved.

I blame this guy. The lesser known Greek God of Blackjack.

blackjack.jpg
 

MisterBJ

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There CS really need some training in manners. They can be some rude bunch.
 

KasinoKing

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I'm going to go ahead and keep them in the "Reservation" section. They are a good casino group for some, but the 100x bonus WR is just a bit too much and isn't quite fair. If they balance this across the map, then I don't see them having any issues here. But as long as most players here are non-US, it's going to cause problems I'm afraid.
Good news!
I was just checking their current T&Cs for a major update I'm doing on my websites, and they have now changed this term at their Old Havana Casino...

But the BAD NEWS is the WR for non North Americans there is now (D+B) x200! :eek:
Even the WR for USA and Canada has been increased by 50%, from (D+B)x40 to x60... :eek2:

Can we please have a "Completely Lost the Plot" category added to next years CasinoMeister's Awards?

KK
 
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chuchu59

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Good news!
I was just checking their current T&Cs for a major update I'm doing on my websites, and they have now changed this term at their Old Havana Casino...

But the BAD NEWS is the WR for non North Americans there is now (D+B) x200! :eek:
Even the WR for USA and Canada has been increased by 50%, from (D+B)x40 to x60... :eek2:

Can we please have a "Completely Lost the Plot" category added to next years CasinoMeister's Awards?

KK

I rarely say this but one must be outta his mind to take a bonus with those terms. The JC WRS seem meek in comparison.
 

The Viking

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200x d+b so deposit 1000 get 1000 wager left 400.000, a walk in the park :rolleyes:
but om serious notes thats just sick.
 

lotusch

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Wouldn't deposit a penny in those places.
Calling non USA/Canada players all bonus abusers...Like lol wtf? :eek2:
 

skiny

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"How come we're not accredited?"

"I don't know. Something about the wage requirements."

"Hmm. Jack it up to 60x and see what happens."
 

MisterBJ

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There is something going on with Hanava casino. It seems like its the only one within that group, that terms are always being changed.
 

aceking123

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could it have something to do with cashflow problems or are they going to shut up shop as such hence to why they dont give two flying ducks about its members ? ? ?
 

vinylweatherman

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They clearly do not want ANY non US players, but rather than say so, they make the terms so ridiculous that only the clinically insane non US player would still be interested.

This is dangerous for US players too, as there is very little coming in from outside the US with which to subsidise the very high costs and risks of running the gauntlet of UIGEA. This also means that should it become non viable to continue taking US bets, the group may fold, not having enough time to make a U turn in their attitude to non US players and recruit enough to keep enough cash flowing in.

Non US players do not have to wait and hope for Main Street to look like they want them, they have plenty of choice.

This was the sticking point that blocked them from becoming accredited after they had sorted out their 14 day pending period, and they showed no interest in making the necessary changes. Now we know why, they actually wanted to move in the opposite direction altogether.

Since they discriminate so dramatically between US and non US players, it would be misleading to accredit them on a general list due to the very different standards of service being offered. They might, however, belong on an accredited list designed specifically for US players as the 60x WR is merely "a bit high", rather than "excessive".

I think it's also a new "world record" for a WR, as it is applied across the board to ALL players except for one country. We have seen 100x before, but this has been limited to a small number of countries, and a small minority of potential players.

If they need to make it this harsh, it's because they are not making money on the older 100x WR for everyone else, and 40x for US players. The costs of the "insane" fees charged by the dodgy processors who continue to offer a service to bypass UIGEA, coupled with the dodgy processors that simply do a runner with Main Street's money (which means they end up having to pay players twice), must be a far bigger burden than the similar costs for dealing with transactions with non US players.

Other operators have coped by expanding into Europe, so that the rising costs and falling receipts from the core US market can be covered by the rising receipts and perhaps falling costs of servicing the non US market.
 

cjh1969

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Best luck of any RTG group

I have had the most luck at Main Street Group compared to Club World, Inetbet, and Jackpot Capital group. It did take 19 days to get $1600 but was paid. Won $2100 at Slots Plus yesterday and assume payment will take awile. I agree that if you are not from the USA it would not make sense to play at the group because of insane wagering requirments. I don't play at Old Havana but the other 4 casinos in the group have a 30X bet requirement for US players and bonus money is included unlike Club World group. Don't like waiting so long to get paid but it is better than playing other RTG groups and never winning. Still wish we could use Microgaming but RTG is better than 3Dice in my opinion. Just my 2 cents. Good luck to all.
 

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