Made myself violently ill...

[RobWin]

Hiya guys,

Let me start off by saying that I respect anyone's opinion on this. I also feel tho that the comparisons made in this thread are crippled to say the least.
Should an alcoholic stop going to a bar to meet his friends ? (or should he rather just not order the beer?) - and should a smoker not use a nicotine patch ? (or rather just not get the nicotine from the cigarette ?).

I think the posters in this thread forget that gambling is about more than losing money, and I cannot express how hard I hope that for each and every single one of you - its not just about the winning.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

I've got to disagree with you there Enzo...that's the same analogy that could be said that it's safe to put a pedophile in a room full of kids by saying it's ok for an ex-alcoholic to go into a bar and him or her not be terribly tempted to order a drink when their keen sense of smelling that drink is making their mouth water...

I understand your point there about gambling not just being about the losing or the winning as far as landbased casinos go but I personally do think it is just only about the Winning Online as there is not the opportunity for you to take in a show or get a limo comped to go out or any of the other perks that you would normally have at a landbased casino and you have to remember those endorphins that get triggered from that big win or also that big loss that will always come into play whether it be gambling for real or for free.

 

[3Dice]

that's the same analogy that could be said that it's safe to put a pedophile in a room full of kids

Rob, you know I love you, but actually your example here would be more the equivalent of CK withdrawing his live savings in note's of $5 and go sit in front of a $5 red-and-blue listening to the idle sounds for hours - I would advice strongly against that

.. I personally do think it is just only about the Winning Online as there is not the opportunity for you to take in a show or get a limo comped to go out or any of the other perks that you would normally have at a landbased casino and you have to remember those endorphins that get triggered from that big win or also that big loss that will always come into play whether it be gambling for real or for free.

There's slightly over a 100 known neurotransmitters - yet thousands if not millions of ways to get them released .. and even tho online there's no comping with limo's, many of our players appreciate the chat, the tournaments, community screenshot hunting, making of and interacting with friends, and many of them will tell you that those are - for them - big parts of the entertainment provided. I'll agree 100% with you tho that not all software providers have taken entertainment and quality of entertainment as their main focus - something I personally regret very much. As CK mentions in his first post - these are also for him the reasons he still has that one casino installed.

Some do just play for the kick of the win - but others value the side entertainment just as much ..

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

Rob, you know I love you, but actually your example here would be more the equivalent of CK withdrawing his live savings in note's of $5 and go sit in front of a $5 red-and-blue listening to the idle sounds for hours - I would advice strongly against that

Enzo

Are you actually serious, I think I am going to remove myself here from any further discussion about the analogy part before I say something that I may regret later.

But I said what I said about the alcoholic going into a bar based on my life experiences because I know from my own dark demons that I could not just walk in there to spend time with friends and not have a drink while I was there because the drinks are/were my friends for many years. I do know that I have the willpower to stay TFO of the bars though, the same way I stay away from online casinos when I don't want to be making deposits.

 

[LaurieJim]

Are you actually serious, I think I am going to recuse myself here from any further discussion about the analogy part before I say something that I may regret later.

But I said what I said about the alcoholic going into a bar based on my life experiences because I know from my own dark demons that I could not just walk in there to spend time with friends and not have a drink while I was there because the drinks are/were my friends for many years. I do know that I have the willpower to stay TFO of the bars though, the same way I stay away from online casinos when I don't want to be making deposits.

I agree also with what your saying also Rob, as i read your last post, i had a more clearer understanding to what you were saying. Drinking and Gambling and all other addictive forms are like comparing apples to oranges........They both get eaten in the end and your left with nothing but seeds
to use to plant some thought into whatever actions brought you to this dark place..........Addiction!!!!!!!!.....................laurie

 

[CasinoKidd]

a person that is gonna stop smoking says ahhh just 1 more smoke next thing ya know they are buying cartons
a alcoholic says to the bartender just 1 more drink next thing ya know they are passed out at the bar or in jail for a DUI
a pot head says just 1 more joint an I will quit next thing ya know they have went from a joint to a blunt

you say ya got a handle on it Good for You I am Happy for ya
I didnt bold my words as I donr need to to make a point

Good Luck CK really I do hope that you make it I have a son 28 an a daughter 21 an I wouldnt wish your postion on either 1 of them
knock on wood
Cindy

Cindy, I think it's best if you keep your comments out of this thread, because now you're starting to get rude. I have expressed my reasoning half a dozen times as to the argument of reducing play vs. quitting cold turkey, and though I respect your right to your own opinion I do not respect a constant barragement of the same point in hopes that I will change my stance along with cheap shot comments meant to offend me.

Hiya guys,

Let me start off by saying that I respect anyone's opinion on this. I also feel tho that the comparisons made in this thread are crippled to say the least.
Should an alcoholic stop going to a bar to meet his friends ? (or should he rather just not order the beer?) - and should a smoker not use a nicotine patch ? (or rather just not get the nicotine from the cigarette ?).

I think the posters in this thread forget that gambling is about more than losing money, and I cannot express how hard I hope that for each and every single one of you - its not just about the winning. Don't we visit Vegas for the atmosphere, the great shows, the night out with friends ? Please, tell me you do - because if you don't - then I'm pretty sure CK is in quite a bit of a healthier spot. (and maybe - just maybe - he decided to keep that casino installed that actually offers some of those other things ..)

Some food for thought perhaps .. and possibly even more important, for anyone to be successful at anything - understanding it yourself is a crucial first step. If you reread his first post, then you will see that it differs a great deal from some of the other similar posts I've seen. CK takes full 100% responsibility and even stresses several times that it is not the house-edge that caused this - but rather his decision to overspend. If you get to that point, and end up blaming the casino - then I'd agree that cold-turkey probably is the only way to go. From his posts, and my chats with him tho, I think he has a lot more insight and is dealing with this problem in a way that fits his own insights. Whether or not this will work for him, only time can tell, but imho, he has demonstrated quite clearly that he is capable of pinpointing the real problem. Why don't we give him some credit for that ? If it wont work, don't we think he'll be able to see that to ?

I have dealt many a time with people that have overspend, and in my personal experience, many of them (not all) are quite capable of rediscovering that casino's are supposed to be about entertainment. I hope CK will keep us posted and lets us know in a couple of weeks or months how the situation looks for him. And when he does we will have the guarantee that it'll be the experience of a person that is not afraid to blame himself.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo

Enzo, you hit it right on the head for me. Thank you.

Quitting cold turkey for me would remove gambling from my life, yes, but it would also take out a hell of a lot of fun. The fact of the matter is, smoking and drinking cause regular bodily harm - gambling does not. A gambler's vice does not involve the body, it involves the bank account. I absoluely understand what everyone is saying in regards to quitting cold turkey, but I do not believe, for me, I would enjoy it nor would it be entirely successful. I feel if I can reduce real monetary play by 90-95% I would be able to enjoy gambling while not causing myself the adverse effects. In time, I will no longer gamble on any sort of regular basis. I'm not saying I will quit 100% because my family takes trips to the casinos a couple of times a year, so I'm not going to sit home while the entire family is gone - that's just silly.

I do appreciate and respect the ideas, analogies, and comments which have come along with this thread; however, I would ask that you leave me my right to make my own decisions. So far, my choices have been working for me and I am quite happy with the progress I've made while still having some fun.

I think there has been a lot of great things said in this thread. At the same time, I think we're starting to beat a dead horse here.

Good luck.

 

[pmhcfc]

Hi Guys,

Furthermore, 3Dice has never banned anyone from tourney-play -

Regards,

Enzo

Yep, including staff (paid or unpaid)

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

A gambler's vice does not involve the body, it involves the bank account.

Please allow me to disagree. Didn't you say that you made yourself ill?

 

[kmay87]

I think that in terms of the physical effects, gambling does not conjure actual illness in the way in which alcohol and smoking does, however the ramifications of gambling can lead to displays of illness such as those Kyle experienced.

Overall, it probably can cause you actual harm. Probably less due to just gambling alone, but more the repercussions losing can have, especially if you are 'naive' enough to not witness these until some point later.

Gambling is a cruel thing. It can quite easily lead to drink and other measures (through depression) but it should be noted that this is for a select few.

But fundamentally here, I don't think any of us are in a position to dictate to Kyle how he should handle this. We can give advise but we should understand that we are not all generic. As a result, we deal with things differently. Some smokers will give up instantly and refuse to have 'just the one' no matter how hard the cravings may become: others will make it a gradual process over time.

Provided Kyle reaches the end goal he so desires, what does it matter how he goes about things?

 

[heatherad]

Cindy, I think it's best if you keep your comments out of this thread, because now you're starting to get rude. I have expressed my reasoning half a dozen times as to the argument of reducing play vs. quitting cold turkey, and though I respect your right to your own opinion I do not respect a constant barragement of the same point in hopes that I will change my stance along with cheap shot comments meant to offend me.

I think once you took your problem public by typing about it on an open forum, it was an open discussion. You, yourself, have become rude a few posts back.
I think what is happening now is that you realize you jumped the gun in starting this thread in the first place and now you want it to die in the background.
Nothing against Enzo or any other casino rep regarding a situation like this, but the last thing they want to do is stand up for a person with a gambling problem and I won't go into a long debate about that.
How I see it is this....you got violently ill because you spent money you couldn't afford, and in a moment of utter panic you were going to quit gambling according to your plan. After having some time to settle down, you realize you might have jumped the gun abit. And remember, this is JUST HOW I PERCEIVE IT! I've seen it happen time and again. When you have a gambling problem you need to quit spot on altogether. I can promise you there will come a day that you will be back at it full force if you continue to think you can play free tournaments(for money) and hit a land casino every now and then. Its called temptation and all too often, temptation leads to evils one tries to avoid.
I do hope for your sake that you do kick it square in the butt...otherwise, it will be rock bottom before you fully realize that you're getting violently ill was a major wake up call.

 

[LaurieJim]

Isn't it about time to put this Dead Horse Thread out to pasture, its been ridden and beaten to death enough I.M.O ? What do you say O/Poster ?.............laurie

 

[jas2587]

Isn't it about time to put this Dead Horse Thread out to pasture, its been ridden and beaten to death enough I.M.O ? What do you say O/Poster ?.............laurie

agreed cause he doesnt want me to really say what I feel an get really rude towards him I was just being Honest an to the point

Thanks Heather an All


Cindy

 

[CasinoKidd]

agreed cause he desnt want me to really say what I feel an get really rude towards him I was just being Honest an to the point

Thanks Heather


Cindy

Is that a threat?

 

[vegetagirl2008]

CK the question I will pose to you is, will you quit gambling or will you just take a break? See what I gather from your post is that you lost substantial amount of money that it made you sick. Then you play again offline/online which means your not going to quit gambling.

So what are you going to do?

 

[jas2587]

Is that a threat?

No I dont make threats
why dont you ACT your AGE an get over it
I really enjoy the fact that out of all these post
you pick my to call out on

you really have made my day

Cindy

Enzo you should be so proud

 

[LaurieJim]

Isn't it about time to put this Dead Horse Thread out to pasture, its been ridden and beaten to death enough I.M.O ? What do you say O/Poster ?.............laurie

Repeat question to CasinoKidd!!!!!!!!!! Shoot the darn horse please, dont keep it lingering and suffering as its painful for all and pretty much all has been said and done to help it, put it to rest, your the owner(original poster) and the only one that can ask to have it done. This thread has served a good purpose and now can just go away and no more hard feelings stirred between members imo............laurie

 

[CasinoKidd]

No I dont make threats
why dont you ACT your AGE an get over it
I really enjoy the fact that out of all these post
you pick my to call out on

you really have made my day

Cindy

Enzo you should be so proud

Cindy, you've consistantly added a negative tone to this thread, have failed to give anyone else's opnion of chance, and over all acted like a horrible person. You insult opinions which are not yours, shoot down any other ideas, and laugh at people who become frustrated with your hard headedness. You are quick to act like a child and the first to jump on someone for responding to it. You should be absolutely ashamed of how you behave yourself, and I am embarrased for falling down to your level.

Could a moderator please close this thread.

 

[jas2587]

Cindy, you've consistantly added a negative tone to this thread, have failed to give anyone else's opnion of chance, and over all acted like a horrible person. You insult opinions which are not yours, shoot down any other ideas, and laugh at people who become frustrated with your hard headedness. You are quick to act like a child and the first to jump on someone for responding to it. You should be absolutely ashamed of how you behave yourself, and I am embarrased for falling down to your level.

Could a moderator please close this thread.

what ever you say

if it makes you feel better to try an drag me down have at it

No incorrect I gave Rob's an Heathers an a few others a Thank You as their thoughts on your problem was very Spot on

I didnt jump on a single person cept giving Enzo a
Thumbs up if ya can call it that
I am not ashamed I have nothing to be ashamed about

Cindy

 

[BingoT]

Could a moderator please close this thread.

I second that.
You got all the help you needed and it's done.
And Cindy is good people
She told you as it is.

The End

 

[jas2587]

This speaks volumes Kidd Thanks really

Made myself violently... 4th April 2009 08:48 PM CasinoKidd Not a very mature reply!!

negative rep I can handle it

Cindy

 

[CasinoKidd]

This speaks volumes Kidd Thanks really

Made myself violently... 4th April 2009 08:48 PM CasinoKidd Not a very mature reply!!

negative rep I can handle it

Cindy

If you had to post it to show the world, it shows you can't handle it. And no, I didn't think your response was mature. Why can't you let it go?

 

[jas2587]

If you had to post it to show the world, it shows you can't handle it. And no, I didn't think your response was mature. Why can't you let it go?

to show how petty an immature you really are thus the reason you lowered my rep points as no 1 could see

Good Luck to ya KIDD


Cindy

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya. It is none of my concern, but....."It is impossible to WIN an argument on the internet". So why even try?

 

[winbig]

I know it's not PC, but the old saying is so true:

"Arguing via the Internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

'nuff said.

*sulks back to his corner*

 

[spearmaster]

It's the weekend, folks. You're supposed to be enjoying it, not taking potshots at each other.

Thread closed.