Made myself violently ill...

[Pinababy69]

Actually Cindy, in theory, I absolutely agree with you re: quitting cold turkey. But you know...in this particular case, I have alot of respect for the intelligence and determination that Kyle has shown in his posts. I think this kid has alot on the ball. His initial post doesn't show someone who has gotten to the point of being unable to control themselves, and who has lost everything...to me it shows a very mature person, who has learned to accept responsibility for their own actions. IMO only, I'm personally willing to give him a chance to let him deal with this on his own terms. He did say that his ultimate goal isn't to quit completely, but that someday he'd like to be able to walk into a land casino a couple of times a year, and have complete control.

On the other hand Kyle, Cindy offers some advice that shouldn't be totally disregarded or forgotten. Part of "growing up" and accepting responsibility is to be able to listen to criticism, and differentiate the constructive from the nasty. I don't think Cindy's intent was to make you feel like shit. I know because I've made posts here regarding this subject that are alot more nasty than anything she said to you. Just take it all in stride, and realize that your opening post is going to evoke all kinds of responses in people.

Like Laurie, I also had a feeling the one casino he was going to leave open was 3Dice....for exactly the reasons he stated. And I have to say that makes me feel a bit better, simply for the fact that I know how Enzo feels on this whole subject, and I trust him to take care of Kyle. Him and I have had extensive conversations on the subject of responsible gaming....Christ, he even came up with the name of an article I want to eventually write on the subject. I have full confidence that he will keep tabs on the situation, and ultimately, will do what's best for Kyle. I'm watching ya Enzo.

 

[kmay87]

Somewhere in the forum I have read that KasinoKing had some time ago problems with gambling too, but instead to stop gambling he had decided to become an advantage player and he seems to be quite happy about this decision. This solution could work for CasinoKidd as well. He could continue enjoying gambling but he wouldn't have all the financial drawbacks, instead he would have some extra income.

But I don't know if this would work for CasinoKidd, it really depends on the person's character, maybe it's better if he completely stops gambling.

I don't think CasinoKidd should consider advantage play at the moment. It could even make things worse. If he was playing on a bonus and hit a big win - which couldn't be withdrawn - who's to say he won't try and chase that win outside of the bonus?

Bonuses can be fun. They allow me to high roll for a while and play different games to what I normally would. But even when employing a few strategies, I'm still doing so knowing that I could quite easily bust out.

Turning to advantage play after an admitted gambling problem connotates, to me, chasing losses. You are no longer playing for fun, but playing in the hope that you can clear the bonus and make a nice withdrawal. If Kyle decides to make deposits, they should be without a bonus attached. At least that way, if he wants to withdraw at any point, the option is always there.

 

[Luigi810]

Casinokidd, I think you can play free tourneys and not play for real..I do it every day..I also play poker for free and I LOVE poker..
I lost alot of money gambling online, I found CM in August by accident and that's when I realized I had a problem..with the help of CM and friends I met here, I went from playing 10 hours a day, 7 days a week to playing every once in a while and instead of depositing 500.00 at a time, I deposit 25.00 or 50.00..I learned how to play and enjoy without losing a fortune..My problem was/is not being able to cash out, and when I played about a month ago,
I knew I had it all under control, (NOT)....I played 25.00/50.00, had it up to 33,000.00 and of course I didn't cash out..I haven't played since but I will, but when I'm ready...I love playing poker, my thing is to be able to play and not lie to my husband about it, without going broke, without losing my friends/family, to really enjoy playing, and being able to cash out..
You can control yourself without quitting cold turkey, you already know you have a problem, that's a BIG step..YOU know what works for you..
And if you find it hard to stop or slow down, there are so many organizations out there to help you..I wish you the best Casinokidd..good luck

 

[Luigi810]

OMG, YES you can make a living from gambling, IF YOU CASH OUT/PLAY SMART..
I know I could have...I may have lost THOUSANDS of dollars but I won TRIPLE what I lost, maybe even more..

I believe it is possible to make a living from gambling. Almost every month I make more money with gambling then I make with my regular job. And so far I never made a loss in a single month, the worst what happened was something like +200 Euro. But I don't want to quit my regular job because making money with gambling is too undependable with big up- and downturns and who knows how long this will work.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Somewhere in the forum I have read that KasinoKing had some time ago problems with gambling too, but instead to stop gambling he had decided to become an advantage player and he seems to be quite happy about this decision. This solution could work for CasinoKidd as well. He could continue enjoying gambling but he wouldn't have all the financial drawbacks, instead he would have some extra income.

But I don't know if this would work for CasinoKidd, it really depends on the person's character, maybe it's better if he completely stops gambling.

KasinoKing is a mature adult (with his own kid, "casino princess"), whereas CasinoKidd is a young adult, just starting out with all the freedoms this grants. KasinoKing did not suddenly one day start winning, it took experience, and in depth analysis by all accounts, given those detailed stats he has a habit of posting.

If CasinoKidd took up "advantage play", how much WORSE would his initial losses in the learning phase make the problem. Further, is it even POSSIBLE to switch so quickly from a compulsive "chasing" gambler to a highly disciplined "advantage player".
Last but not least, casinos DO NOT LIKE "advantage players", and this brings with it the risk of not getting paid - turning a winning strategy into a losing one.
Markus is no stranger to such problems, as some of his earlier posts reveal.

Playing free tournaments at 3Dice, or any casino for that matter, is only a temporary measure. NO casino will allow a non-depositing player an unlimited stream of "freebies", even 3Dice would have to draw the line somewhere, even if this was much further away than many others would.

 

[dancinggoon]

Somewhere in the forum I have read that KasinoKing had some time ago problems with gambling too, but instead to stop gambling he had decided to become an advantage player and he seems to be quite happy about this decision. This solution could work for CasinoKidd as well. He could continue enjoying gambling but he wouldn't have all the financial drawbacks, instead he would have some extra income.

But I don't know if this would work for CasinoKidd, it really depends on the person's character, maybe it's better if he completely stops gambling.

Im suprised, why do you even think about this, its like giving out a can of gasoline to someone who has just burned his hands!

@ Casinokidd You are still very young, it would be a shame if you waste to much of your time with gambling, especially if situations like in your opening post occur and you are getting mental and/or financial problems because of it.

 

[EasyRhino]

I also do not recommend that someone with a gambling problem even toy around with the idea of advantage play.

 

[bb28]

I'm always bothered when threads like this get derailed by discussions about advantage play or ways to control your spending.
IMO it takes something away from Casino Kidd's very sad and poignant realization that he has a problem.

 

[RobWin]

KasinoKing is a mature adult (with his own kid, "casino princess"), whereas CasinoKidd is a young adult, just starting out with all the freedoms this grants. KasinoKing did not suddenly one day start winning, it took experience, and in depth analysis by all accounts, given those detailed stats he has a habit of posting.

If CasinoKidd took up "advantage play", how much WORSE would his initial losses in the learning phase make the problem. Further, is it even POSSIBLE to switch so quickly from a compulsive "chasing" gambler to a highly disciplined "advantage player".
Last but not least, casinos DO NOT LIKE "advantage players", and this brings with it the risk of not getting paid - turning a winning strategy into a losing one.
Markus is no stranger to such problems, as some of his earlier posts reveal.

Playing free tournaments at 3Dice, or any casino for that matter, is only a temporary measure. NO casino will allow a non-depositing player an unlimited stream of "freebies", even 3Dice would have to draw the line somewhere, even if this was much further away than many others would.

Yea, you're right Vinyl and the last time I checked you still have to maintain a minimum of $50 in deposits monthly to be able to play in the "Free" 3Dice Tourneys.

 

[winbig]

Yea, you're right Vinyl and the last time I checked you still have to maintain a minimum of $50 in deposits monthly to be able to play in the "Free" 3Dice Tourneys.

I thought they reviewed accounts every 10 days for those?

 

[RobWin]

I thought they reviewed accounts every 10 days for those?

That is for the loyalty status level. Player, Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum

From their website it states: "Whenever you have a VIP level of Bronze or better, you get to play in the free VIP tourneys that are organized all the time at 3Dice."

So, in order to maintain "Bronze" level there also has to be a certain level of deposits and playthru. I'm sure Enzo will correct this if I'm wrong.

 

[Pinababy69]

That's for the VIP tournies, but there are still the free tournies, for non-depositing players. Usually there's only two every 24 hrs (one all games and one all slots), unless another player sponsors an open tourney...like Laurie did a while back.

 

[CasinoKidd]

Two points:

I am not going to do any advantage playing. It requires a hefty budget and a lot of patience. So we can end that discussion.

Secondly, I don't think it's really anyone elses business how 3dice runs their operation. Enzo read this thread and told me he would never "kick me out". I've won a couple tournaments for money - NEVER cashed out. So in effect, I'm saving him money.

It costs $50 every 30 days to play VIPs, but there are other free tournaments. I don't think I'm at risk of breaking Enzo's bank. If I ever want to cash out $50 or $100 from a $10 tourney win and he wants to say no, that's fine, but until that day guys please give it a rest. I am handling my issues quite well now. This is yet another thread that's turned into an argument and honestly it ruins the whole point I was trying to make.

I've gambled once in the last three weeks. Not online. I play some free tourneys at 3Dice, don't win. If you don't like that, I really couldn't care less - I'm not breaking any laws and I'm improving my situation. I couldn't be happier about it.

Kyle

 

[jas2587]

Two points:

I am not going to do any advantage playing. It requires a hefty budget and a lot of patience. So we can end that discussion.

Secondly, I don't think it's really anyone elses business how 3dice runs their operation. Enzo read this thread and told me he would never "kick me out". I've won a couple tournaments for money - NEVER cashed out. So in effect, I'm saving him money.

It costs $50 every 30 days to play VIPs, but there are other free tournaments. I don't think I'm at risk of breaking Enzo's bank. If I ever want to cash out $50 or $100 from a $10 tourney win and he wants to say no, that's fine, but until that day guys please give it a rest. I am handling my issues quite well now. This is yet another thread that's turned into an argument and honestly it ruins the whole point I was trying to make.

I've gambled once in the last three weeks. Not online. I play some free tourneys at 3Dice, don't win. If you don't like that, I really couldn't care less - I'm not breaking any laws and I'm improving my situation. I couldn't be happier about it.

Kyle

Congrats glad you think you have a handle on your ex=gambling

but IMO you brought it out in the open for all to see
people care so why when they are worried do you say
Give it a rest ?

I do wish you all the best but........


Cindy

 

[3Dice]

Hi Guys,

Just putting a couple of dots on the i's here .. For starters.. ck's deposits at 3Dice are disabled. It is the first thing I asked him after reading this thread - and it is not the first time that that initiative comes from our side. (yes - I've been shot at, shouted at and pab'd before for disallowing people to deposit - damned if I do and damned if I dont ).

Furthermore, 3Dice has never banned anyone from tourney-play - or bonuses for that matter. It's not our style and I've never had any motivation to do so. There are many other ways to contribute to our community and I consider the presence of a friendly and social person as CK in chat a big contribution. He is and will continue to be more than welcome to play in our free tourney's, play his winnings and withdraw - and none of those activities would get him banned.

As far as tourney's go, we offer free tourney's to non depositing players (80 of them the past two weeks - listed on our website - or 5.7/day), and even more to those players that do deposit at 3Dice. (266 VIP's past two weeks - also listed - 19/day). For many of our players those tournaments mean a guaranteed extension of their playtime, without taking away from the budget they reserve for real money play - and that is exactly what they are there for. Even the lowest variance game cannot give this type of guarantee. (plus, broken record, low variance is not good for the players).

If it helps CK to stay away from real-money play then I can only encourage him to do so, and for those of you that are uncomfortable with the idea that a casino actually has the best interest of their players in mind, look at it this way. 3Dice is so viciously smart that they make sure their players don't get in trouble so that they stay happy and can continue to deposit within their budget delivering much higher profits in the long run

Regards,

Enzo

 

[LaurieJim]

Enzo!!!!!! I can atest to that fact, when i was depositing so much last year, Enzo put me on a limit, which has saved me money and made me a smarter player in the long run........well sometimes..................laurie

 

[Pinababy69]

Two points:

I am not going to do any advantage playing. It requires a hefty budget and a lot of patience. So we can end that discussion.

Secondly, I don't think it's really anyone elses business how 3dice runs their operation. Enzo read this thread and told me he would never "kick me out". I've won a couple tournaments for money - NEVER cashed out. So in effect, I'm saving him money.

It costs $50 every 30 days to play VIPs, but there are other free tournaments. I don't think I'm at risk of breaking Enzo's bank. If I ever want to cash out $50 or $100 from a $10 tourney win and he wants to say no, that's fine, but until that day guys please give it a rest. I am handling my issues quite well now. This is yet another thread that's turned into an argument and honestly it ruins the whole point I was trying to make.

I've gambled once in the last three weeks. Not online. I play some free tourneys at 3Dice, don't win. If you don't like that, I really couldn't care less - I'm not breaking any laws and I'm improving my situation. I couldn't be happier about it.

Kyle

Glad to hear you're doing well Kyle...really glad to hear it. It sounds like you are achieving your goal. And I haven't missed your point at all, it came through loud and clear.

Congrats glad you think you have a handle on your ex=gambling

but IMO you brought it out in the open for all to see
people care so why when they are worried do you say
Give it a rest ?

I do wish you all the best but........


Cindy

I just don't think he wants people arguing about what's best for him, or 3Dice, or advantage play. That's my take anyway. But you're right, when this subject gets brought up....there are lots of different viewpoints and opinions. And we do care, and just want to make sure he's doing okay. Bunch of den mothers.

Hi Guys,

Just putting a couple of dots on the i's here .. For starters.. ck's deposits at 3Dice are disabled. It is the first thing I asked him after reading this thread - and it is not the first time that that initiative comes from our side. (yes - I've been shot at, shouted at and pab'd before for disallowing people to deposit - damned if I do and damned if I dont ).

Furthermore, 3Dice has never banned anyone from tourney-play - or bonuses for that matter. It's not our style and I've never had any motivation to do so. There are many other ways to contribute to our community and I consider the presence of a friendly and social person as CK in chat a big contribution. He is and will continue to be more than welcome to play in our free tourney's, play his winnings and withdraw - and none of those activities would get him banned.

As far as tourney's go, we offer free tourney's to non depositing players (80 of them the past two weeks - listed on our website - or 5.7/day), and even more to those players that do deposit at 3Dice. (266 VIP's past two weeks - also listed - 19/day). For many of our players those tournaments mean a guaranteed extension of their playtime, without taking away from the budget they reserve for real money play - and that is exactly what they are there for. Even the lowest variance game cannot give this type of guarantee. (plus, broken record, low variance is not good for the players).

If it helps CK to stay away from real-money play then I can only encourage him to do so, and for those of you that are uncomfortable with the idea that a casino actually has the best interest of their players in mind, look at it this way. 3Dice is so viciously smart that they make sure their players don't get in trouble so that they stay happy and can continue to deposit within their budget delivering much higher profits in the long run

Regards,

Enzo

Enzo, I have the utmost respect for you and how you handle situations like this. In a way, this is exactly why I hope your operation stays small. It allows you to have that "personal" interaction with each of your players, and keep a handle on situations like this. You're never going to please everyone, no matter what you do. Like I've said before, I'm positive that Kyle has put himself in very good hands.

 

[CasinoKidd]

Congrats glad you think you have a handle on your ex=gambling

but IMO you brought it out in the open for all to see
people care so why when they are worried do you say
Give it a rest ?

I do wish you all the best but........


Cindy

Cindy, do you even read the thread...?

The main point of the thread got derailed, and instead it was beginning to turn into a debate on 3Dice's operation choices and how I could keep gambling while making a profit. I feel as those kinds of posts are unconstructive to the point I was trying to make in the original thread, and I think any reasonable person would agree...

I wasn't telling people to stop caring or give it a rest when it comes to posts on topic.

Don't know why you're so quick to judge my posts.

Kyle

 

[LaurieJim]

Do you understand Kyle just how many people you have probably helped with your thread?

I dont think Cindy is trying to undermine you , most people will always differ on whats best for someone wanting to cut back or just quit gambling for good.

I think you have this all in hand now and will continue on a better path than before, i can even tell by the way you post now as opposed to before when you were gambling at full speed.

I would like to see more casinos take a interest in watching out for players that may be having problems with gambling, and they can tell. It would be pleasing to see some of the better casinos take the actions like Enzo at 3 Dice has imo.

Kyle, you have started a great topic here, that could impact others and maybe show new online players, that its fun for awhile, but fun and gambling never lasts forever and someone always pays in the end and its usually the player......... continued good luck................laurie

 

[jas2587]

Cindy, do you even read the thread...?

The main point of the thread got derailed, and instead it was beginning to turn into a debate on 3Dice's operation choices and how I could keep gambling while making a profit. I feel as those kinds of posts are unconstructive to the point I was trying to make in the original thread, and I think any reasonable person would agree...

I wasn't telling people to stop caring or give it a rest when it comes to posts on topic.

Don't know why you're so quick to judge my posts.

Kyle

yeah I read your post
you want my real thoughts
for some one that go so violenty sick that they puked on their carpet has no damn biz in a online or offline casino at all
it isnt like playing monoply its LIFE
an you cant handle the chase
Sure Enzo can control your deposits at 3Dice but in the online world we dont have Big Brother watchin over all of our shoulders to stop us from going to other casino's we have your Word on that funny you pick my post outta all these post its it because I hit a nerve towards the truth yeah I thought so
an as long as you play them free tourneys you are still feeding your need to gamble an one day that Free tourney just isnt gonna do it

I wasn't judging your post in the open but I am Now
I really do wish you all the Luck at stopping but.......

Cindy

your words ((( I've gambled once in the last three weeks. Not online. I play some free tourneys at 3Dice, don't win. If you don't like that, I really couldn't care less - I'm not breaking any laws and I'm improving my situation. I couldn't be happier about it.)))))

at a B&M an you call this improving you gambled makes no sense to me

 

[jackieb7]

I agree

with Cindy here, if you quit then quit. It's like just drinking non-alchoholic beer when your an alcoholic... it will lead you right back. Good Luck to you CK but I have to agree with Cindy here.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Cindy, do you even read the thread...?

The main point of the thread got derailed, and instead it was beginning to turn into a debate on 3Dice's operation choices and how I could keep gambling while making a profit. I feel as those kinds of posts are unconstructive to the point I was trying to make in the original thread, and I think any reasonable person would agree...

I wasn't telling people to stop caring or give it a rest when it comes to posts on topic.

Don't know why you're so quick to judge my posts.

Kyle

Kyle, if you feel this thread has run it's course, you can ask, as the originator, for it to be closed. Unless there is a good reason not to, you should find CM will comply with this request, and anyone who wants to expand on 3Dice, free tourneys, deposit or not, can start another thread.

This thread, if locked, will quickly fall below the front page, allowing the issue time to calm down, and you to just get on with it in your own way.

 

[CasinoKidd]

yeah I read your post
you want my real thoughts
for some one that go so violenty sick that they puked on their carpet has no damn biz in a online or offline casino at all
it isnt like playing monoply its LIFE
an you cant handle the chase I wasn't aware this is Nascar
Sure Enzo can control your deposits at 3Dice but in the online world we dont have Big Brother watchin over all of our shoulders to stop us from going to other casino's we have your Word on that funny you pick my post outta all these post its it because I hit a nerve towards the truth yeah I thought so No, you didn't think. All you're doing is calling me a liar. My deposits are shut off at 3dice, the only casino I keep on my computer. End of story.
an as long as you play them free tourneys you are still feeding your need to gamble an one day that Free tourney just isnt gonna do it That's your opinion. I have not re-installed any casino or made an attempt to deposit yet, so I think they're doing just fine. You have a right to your opinion, but to say it will definitely happen to me is blasphemous.

I wasn't judging your post in the open but I am Now I can tell
I really do wish you all the Luck at stopping but.......

Cindy

your words ((( I've gambled once in the last three weeks. Not online. I play some free tourneys at 3Dice, don't win. If you don't like that, I really couldn't care less - I'm not breaking any laws and I'm improving my situation. I couldn't be happier about it.)))))

at a B&M an you call this improving you gambled makes no sense to me Really now? When I posted that thread I was depositing two to three times a week online and hitting up the B&M at the very least once a weekend, many times twice. No online deposits and one B&M deposit seems pretty darn good to me!

See bolded comments above. If you are trying to say I am failing at controlling my own demons, I think you need to take a greater look at yourself.

CK

 

[jas2587]

See bolded comments above. If you are trying to say I am failing at controlling my own demons, I think you need to take a greater look at yourself.

CK

a person that is gonna stop smoking says ahhh just 1 more smoke next thing ya know they are buying cartons
a alcoholic says to the bartender just 1 more drink next thing ya know they are passed out at the bar or in jail for a DUI
a pot head says just 1 more joint an I will quit next thing ya know they have went from a joint to a blunt

you say ya got a handle on it Good for You I am Happy for ya
I didnt bold my words as I donr need to to make a point

Good Luck CK really I do hope that you make it I have a son 28 an a daughter 21 an I wouldnt wish your postion on either 1 of them
knock on wood
Cindy

 

[3Dice]

Hiya guys,

Let me start off by saying that I respect anyone's opinion on this. I also feel tho that the comparisons made in this thread are crippled to say the least.
Should an alcoholic stop going to a bar to meet his friends ? (or should he rather just not order the beer?) - and should a smoker not use a nicotine patch ? (or rather just not get the nicotine from the cigarette ?).

I think the posters in this thread forget that gambling is about more than losing money, and I cannot express how hard I hope that for each and every single one of you - its not just about the winning. Don't we visit Vegas for the atmosphere, the great shows, the night out with friends ? Please, tell me you do - because if you don't - then I'm pretty sure CK is in quite a bit of a healthier spot. (and maybe - just maybe - he decided to keep that casino installed that actually offers some of those other things ..)

Some food for thought perhaps .. and possibly even more important, for anyone to be successful at anything - understanding it yourself is a crucial first step. If you reread his first post, then you will see that it differs a great deal from some of the other similar posts I've seen. CK takes full 100% responsibility and even stresses several times that it is not the house-edge that caused this - but rather his decision to overspend. If you get to that point, and end up blaming the casino - then I'd agree that cold-turkey probably is the only way to go. From his posts, and my chats with him tho, I think he has a lot more insight and is dealing with this problem in a way that fits his own insights. Whether or not this will work for him, only time can tell, but imho, he has demonstrated quite clearly that he is capable of pinpointing the real problem. Why don't we give him some credit for that ? If it wont work, don't we think he'll be able to see that to ?

I have dealt many a time with people that have overspend, and in my personal experience, many of them (not all) are quite capable of rediscovering that casino's are supposed to be about entertainment. I hope CK will keep us posted and lets us know in a couple of weeks or months how the situation looks for him. And when he does we will have the guarantee that it'll be the experience of a person that is not afraid to blame himself.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo