Ludicrous rule at All Star Slots!

[silcnlayc]

My points are addressed and in response to Wizzard gaming.
Are you a Wizzard gaming representative?

But you are not the only one requesting these things from many different casinos is what I was trying to point out..no, I am in no way connected to ANY casino, just love playing slots and have been for many years and it seems only recently the play has changed EVERYWHERE and now the casinos are being asked for items even I wouldn't give up...if I steppped out of line, I apologize...

Nothing personal (I mean that)

and same here, this was NOT directed at YOU personally..you of all people should know how many and how many times this same request has been asked of many casinos recently by others...not just this casino.

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[silcnlayc]

I think the fact that your post got thanked by Wizzard sums it all up.

Missed this....if you really believe what you just posted, then shame on you for not reading many other peoples postings on casino games..such as my numerous ones..


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[me_and_ed]

Yes they have "tweaked" a few games to test the waters in a way to see if they are on the right track with players is my thoughts. I played this weekend in fun mode and was up by 125% from starting funds down to zilch so you can win...but lets remember , it is no ones fault but our own if we do not withdraw our winnings..and to blame the games for sucking us dry is not right either after running a winning session and not stopping.... I might be a dummy in regards to casino etiquette? , but no where have I ever seen at land based casino give up so much information as some are asking here...is this normal for a casino to show all this info on their games online???

It really seems a little much to me but like I said, I might be a dummy in the realm of casinos online but I feel that is a LOT to ask for IMO...it's feels like one is asking for giving away a secret recipe or something....I have never gotten a brochure from any casino showing ANY of this information (I think some are calling this transparency?) so why does anyone think online casinos should? Just wondering...and to have to PROVE something that is unprovable is like asking for a piece of cheese from the moon...again IMOO...because proving something to one person might night be proof to another..so it is a lose lose situation for any casino when asked to do this...IMO...

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Not to play the devils advocate however most B&M's are government regulated so if something fishy is going on someone will have to answer for. In Canada it ranges regionally from a low of about 90% to a high of about 93%. pyout percentages cannot be altered or changed.
In Nevada game percentages cannot be altered, any changes to algorithms get picked up by the Nevada State Gaming Authority.
This is were the trust issue comes into play online, there really is no one governing out in nebulous land, anything can be done or changed, that is why building trust and being fair is so important, god knows if any of us here even sniffout something unfair the onslaught starts.

 

[silcnlayc]

This is were the trust issue comes into play online, there really is no one governing out in nebulous land, anything can be done or changed, that is why building trust and being fair is so important, god knows if any of us here even sniffout something unfair the onslaught starts.

I agree totally. I guess I trust first then question when things feel as if they have "changed" during my years of play. I also have the meister here to help keep me on the right path and hopefully most of these casinos won't stray and if they do they are off the list. So we do have a few safeguards in place. Our initial feelings (when something feels off) for one and sites like this..until there is regulation..but I digress and will leave it at that..didn't mean to almost derail thread...

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[All Star Slots]

Further response

Hello all,

Again you have posed great questions and on the whole delivered constructive comments for us to take into consideration.

The management have been reassessing the terms and conditions we have for our Scandinavian players in part to your responses.

As mentioned previously, the original change in terms came as a direct result of players from those countries attempting multiple bonus abuse strategies against us. As we were not able to sufficiently protect ourselves from such an attack we had to act drastically in order to protect ourselves.

We understand that the changes in our policies were overly excessive and would unfortunately penalise those honest gamers who we currently have, and those that wish to play at All Star Slots.

With the most recent minor backend upgrade to version 4.0 (made on the 13th March), we are now able to automatically ban players from certain countries gaining the automatic Welcome Bonus, whereas previously we would have had to continuously liaise with Wizard Gaming for them to manually take bonuses away from wrongly attributed accounts.

The high wagering requirement was brought in to stop fraudulent accounts from these countries, as the links between bonus abuse and fraudulent accounts were becoming too common. This provided a temporary fix to the problem until the 4.0 minor upgrade.

Therefore, in the next few hours we will now be removing the eligibility of Scandinavian players to claim the Welcome Bonus and as a result the 50x wagering requirement for withdraw.

We now consider this matter closed.

Thank you for your ongoing support and to all those that have constructively contributed to this post.

We apologize to all our current players and prospective players that this has affected, directly or indirectly and hope that you continue to support and contribute to the progress that All Star Slots is making in this industry. We have continually aimed to please our players and to provide a great service, which I can assure you are our aims that we will never change or lose sight of.

Kind regards,
Denny
All Star Slots
New Slots, Classic Thrills.

 

[KasinoKing]

How many reel stop positions are there on each reel and does this number remain constant?
How many of each symbol occur on each reel?
What changes have you made to alter the variance?

You can save me some Maths by adding the statistical probability of 3,4 and 5 of a kind wins of all symbols(1 winline) including scatters (all lines)

If you're that bothered and Wizard wont tell you, why don't you work out the reels yourself?
Even though I don't believe in your 'conspiracy theory' I will even help you; if you write down 60 - 100 lots of reel positions I'll work out the layouts & chances of each win hitting.
We can then use Zoozie's simulator to work out the approximate return. (We can't be 100% accurate since we don't know the odds of hitting each of the different free-spin multipliers).

In the meantime, this thread has become totally de-railed; we were talking about All Star's discrimination against all Scandinavians - now we're back on the old chestnut of 'Manipulated Software'...

Maybe a mod could split it out please?

KK

 

[Rusty]

If you're that bothered and Wizard wont tell you, why don't you work out the reels yourself?
Even though I don't believe in your 'conspiracy theory' I will even help you; if you write down 60 - 100 lots of reel positions I'll work out the layouts & chances of each win hitting.
We can then use Zoozie's simulator to work out the approximate return. (We can't be 100% accurate since we don't know the odds of hitting each of the different free-spin multipliers).

In the meantime, this thread has become totally de-railed; we were talking about All Star's discrimination against all Scandinavians - now we're back on the old chestnut of 'Manipulated Software'...

Maybe a mod could split it out please?

KK

silcnlayc, sorry for any offense caused I am just stating my feelings on the matter.

First of all let me applaud All Star slots and Wizzard gaming for correcting the inequality brought about by their T&C regarding WR imposed on Scandinavian players.

I appreciated that this thread was being derailed a bit (by me mostly) which is why I asked the original question again about the T&C.
Apologies for that but since this has now been resolved there is perhaps no need to start a new thread though I am not against this.
The tile could be changed though to reflect the change in the T7C's ?

KK I have not put forward any conspiracy to theorize about.
My position is that the play record I posted shows anomalous results as long as One assumes there are no control influences on the software such as weighting.

To show how anomalous or not as the case may be we need to know the probability of outcome for any one game on this slot.
Thanks for the offer but working out the probability of each symbol occurring is the easy part, trust you to want the easy job manually collecting the reel information is not an appealing proposition. maybe wizzard will come forward with that.
If not then I guess I will.

 

[Jasminebed]

Not to play the devils advocate however most B&M's are government regulated so if something fishy is going on someone will have to answer for. In Canada it ranges regionally from a low of about 90% to a high of about 93%. pyout percentages cannot be altered or changed.
In Nevada game percentages cannot be altered, any changes to algorithms get picked up by the Nevada State Gaming Authority.
This is were the trust issue comes into play online, there really is no one governing out in nebulous land, anything can be done or changed, that is why building trust and being fair is so important, god knows if any of us here even sniffout something unfair the onslaught starts.

Well, casinos need to keep overall percentages in a certain range, but individual machines can and do have their payouts altered. In Quebec, a machine may only have it's payout changed once in a 24 hr period. Although they no longer do so, Slots and Trots at Rideau Carleton (Ontario) used to introduce new games at 100 per cent payback for the first 3 months (maybe it was six). Casino de Hull (now Casino du LacLeamy) (Quebec) raised their slot payouts during the week of their 5th anniversary...I won six jackpots in a single 6 hour visit!

I have no knowlege about other provinces.

 

[silcnlayc]

silcnlayc, sorry for any offense caused I am just stating my feelings on the matter.

None taken , all is good.

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[me_and_ed]

Well, casinos need to keep overall percentages in a certain range, but individual machines can and do have their payouts altered. In Quebec, a machine may only have it's payout changed once in a 24 hr period. Although they no longer do so, Slots and Trots at Rideau Carleton (Ontario) used to introduce new games at 100 per cent payback for the first 3 months (maybe it was six). Casino de Hull (now Casino du LacLeamy) (Quebec) raised their slot payouts during the week of their 5th anniversary...I won six jackpots in a single 6 hour visit!

I have no knowlege about other provinces.

I said Canada.

That was a joke, yes they can alter however it has to be approved by the governing jurisdiction, and it can no lower than the benchmark set forth by each provincial gaming comission which in Canada is about 90%, I have some personal info on this, my brother is a gaming tech from Manitoba.

 

[Marie2473]

Ok, did i get it right? do we swedish player not have to wager our first bonus 50 times now?

 

[kmay87]

I read it that you can play there now without the initial restrictions, but you just can't receive any bonuses. Check the terms and conditions.

 

[All Star Slots]

Clarification

Ok, did i get it right? do we swedish player not have to wager our first bonus 50 times now?

I read it that you can play there now without the initial restrictions, but you just can't receive any bonuses. Check the terms and conditions.

Hi guys,

Just to clarify. All players have to wager their deposit 1x which is a term we've had since launch.

The 50x wagering requirement on deposits from players from Scandinavian countries have now been taken away. The only change is that Scandinavian players are not eligible for the 100% Welcome Bonus, but can receive the other promotions we currently offer, namely the E-Wallet deposit bonus and Monthly Matched bonus.

Please remember to check our website for the most up to date Terms and Conditions.

Kind regards,
Denny
All Star Slots
New Slots, Classic Thrills

 

[Marie2473]

Thanks alot for answering... Now you might just get my money after all ;-)

 

[silcnlayc]

Just to clarify. All players have to wager their deposit 1x which is a term we've had since launch.

A very fair request like many other casinos ask.

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[KasinoKing]

Ok, did i get it right? do we swedish player not have to wager our first bonus 50 times now?

You never had to wager your bonus x50 - it was your deposit (taken without a bonus).

That was the ludicrous rule which prompted me to start this thread in the first place!
Fortunately All Star soon saw sense.


KK

 

[Marie2473]

You never had to wager your bonus x50 - it was your deposit (taken without a bonus).

That was the ludicrous rule which prompted me to start this thread in the first place!
Fortunately All Star soon saw sense.


KK

That was actually what I ment - i just got so excited about the rulechange *hehehe*
If it was the bonus I would not have been that upset about it, i mean - many casinos has crazy wagers - although I have never ever before seen this...

 

[slotheadlizard]

WTG

way to go All Star