Spammer! Lucky247 Affiliate Spam

ChillBill

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Been getting hit with affiliate spam for Lucky247 lately. I already hold an account with Lucky247 which I've had well before they were accredited.

The spam contains a link to a HTML version.
eezideal.com/display.php?M=63466&C=9efba33e22f8b619d93b54ce80b79b29&S=31&L=2&N=12

And the link connected to that page, is:
ads.toplayaffiliates.com/redirect.aspx?bid=1827&pid=49517&sref=AffID&AffID=BigK

Whoever or whatever BigK is, my email has been obtained without permission.

I'm happy to forward the spam to the Lucky247 rep but I need an email address.
 

KasinoKing

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I'm happy to forward the spam to the Lucky247 rep but I need an email address.
affiliates @ toplayaffiliates .com
(Remove the spaces, obviously)

I get bombarded with masses of casino span every day - much of it advertising accredited casinos. :mad:
I've given up reporting it now because it would take up about an hour of my time every day! :eek2:

If there was just ONE thing I could change about the wonder that is the internet, it would be a way to permanently block any spammers or scammers having ANY access to the web. These morons really get on my t*ts!

KK
 

vinylweatherman

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This will only happen if the businesses benefitting from the spam were held legally responsible for the actions of their affiliates. It seems even the simplest of deterrents is beyond them. Levying a penalty on their affiliate accounts should be the way forward, and it's the reluctance of businesses to do this that makes spam such a problem.

We have a similar model being operated by the card companies VISA and Mastercard, where merchants that exceed a set percentage of chargebacks losing their merchant accounts. The same model could work with affiliates, exceeding a certain threshold of spam complaints leading to the suspension of their affiliate accounts. It will make affiliates more careful in compiling their mailing lists, and would be a strong deterrent to using "black market" lists in case they lead to a load of complaints.

Another regulatory approach would be to strengthen the spam laws to require the sender of all marketing to disclose the origin of the permission to send to the recipient, so that they know who initially passed on their email. This would act as a deterrent to companies who try to trick customers into giving "third party permissions" through the use of opaque procedures.

Any marketing that does not disclose the origin would then be classified as spam, whether or not proper permissions have been obtained.
 

Sachalucky

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Hi ChillBill,

Thank you for your post!

I have PMed you in order to get the details of the spam you have received.

We take these matters very seriously and the affiliate account will simply be closed down.

Regards,

Sacha
 

ChillBill

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Hi Sacha,

I've forwarded you the offending spam & also another one which landed :D
Seems these spammers hit on one casino for x number of days, then cycle through a list, returning weeks later to start the process again.

On my business accounts I've now implimented RBL checking on the mailserver, this has drastically reduced spam. It's approaching the point where a dedicated email address for each casino these days is a must. If I get spammed, I'll know where the leak came from.
 

ChillBill

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This will only happen if the businesses benefitting from the spam were held legally responsible for the actions of their affiliates. It seems even the simplest of deterrents is beyond them. Levying a penalty on their affiliate accounts should be the way forward, and it's the reluctance of businesses to do this that makes spam such a problem.

Reading comments from aff managers scattered around the net when responding to spam complaints, the common response is, spam causes us more harm than good. If that's the case, they'd take steps to stamp this out. But it contines to flood inboxes.

My sig sums it up. Spam isn't about who sent it, it's about who benefits from it. And I believe regardless of what we're told, there's money to be made in spam.
 

b3b44

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A bit to happy ?

Did some click that send button too many times? :rolleyes:

Too happy that i moved up a tier? :rolleyes:


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Sachalucky

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Oh dear!

Well congrats on moving up a tier indeed!...

This is crazy, let me find out what happened with the service provider - my sincere apologies for that b3b44!!

Sacha
 

vinylweatherman

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Reading comments from aff managers scattered around the net when responding to spam complaints, the common response is, spam causes us more harm than good. If that's the case, they'd take steps to stamp this out. But it contines to flood inboxes.

My sig sums it up. Spam isn't about who sent it, it's about who benefits from it. And I believe regardless of what we're told, there's money to be made in spam.

If so, why the lacklustre response many get when complaining. Often, it's nothing more than a slap on the wrist for the affiliate, or a bit of "retraining". This compares with a near zero tolerance approach to PLAYERS who make a mistake and end up with a technical breach of the terms. Here, a slap on the wrist or a bit of "retraining" is NOT the norm, but the exception shown by the best casinos. Mostly, it's "you broke a term, you lose the lot, tough". How about the same near zero tolerance approach to affiliates who spam, after all, this is still a breach of the terms, and one that can get affiliates considerable extra "winnings" through "marketing abuse", which in turn makes things harder for the "honest affiliate" who is only prepared to "market within the spirit of the affiliate concept", but who will suffer the negative impact of having to make ever higher "traffic requirements" in order to keep their affiliate account.

We already see affiliates having their accounts shut down and even existing revenue from still active players confiscated because they have not brought in enough new players compared with a target that has been set from data inflated by spamming affiliates. Effectively, these affiliates face a "spam or die" situation, so some may push the boundaries of what is considered legitimate email marketing to the extent that it becomes spam.


Using a unique email address for each casino does not really work as when faced with a complaint, the casino STILL often tries to come up with reasons why the spammer got hold of that email address through other means, rather than accepting it was passed on by someone within the casino.
 

dunover

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If 'John Smith' or f***ing 'Sarah Jones' spam me again with the daily '"50 free spins at Lucky 247" spam which has been going on for 2 months, I'll scream........
 

vinylweatherman

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I thought this had been dealt with:confused:

Remember, this is BAD FOR BUSINESS. If the deluge is so much that recipients are driven to despair, then this REALLY damages the reputation of a business because the issue blows up in public.

It looks like better vetting of new affiliates is needed BEFORE they are allowed an account, rather than closing accounts after they have deluged people with spam to the point that they "despair" on public fora.

It's probably of little comfort that these affiliates are no longer making money from this spam, but this does not alter the negative impression people get when they see loads of spam for a casino they may not have heard of before, and so the spam deluge becomes their introduction to the business, from which they make their first impressions.
 

dunover

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Sarah enjoys emailing me daily as well :rolleyes:

In that case next time the biotch spams you. post the link (disabled) on here and I'll do the same. Chances are they'll be the same spammer, and lucky247 will no doubt, being accredited, boot her affiliate link into space.:lolup:
 

Sachalucky

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I thought this had been dealt with:confused:

Remember, this is BAD FOR BUSINESS. If the deluge is so much that recipients are driven to despair, then this REALLY damages the reputation of a business because the issue blows up in public.

It looks like better vetting of new affiliates is needed BEFORE they are allowed an account, rather than closing accounts after they have deluged people with spam to the point that they "despair" on public fora.

It's probably of little comfort that these affiliates are no longer making money from this spam, but this does not alter the negative impression people get when they see loads of spam for a casino they may not have heard of before, and so the spam deluge becomes their introduction to the business, from which they make their first impressions.

I couldn't agree with you more about the impression it leaves users with.

The truth is that many affiliates are now resorting to this as a side business i.e. they have a legitimate website and follower base, but land up sending out extra material on the side.

We understand our share of the responsibility in the matter and are very clear with affiliates about spamming or not. In the last couple of weeks I have in fact found mailers for Lucky247 that weren't created by us, as these rogue affiliates know we would not provide them with creatives for the purposes of SPAM. (the fact that they expect we wouldn't find out and close their accounts anyway still perplexes me, but that's another story!)...

We sincerely appreciate all your help guys, please keep sending me the guilty links (the whole email normally helps as I need to see what the creatives are, etc) - you can mail it to me directly on [email protected].

Thanks again all,

Sacha
 

babyjoker

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Lucky 247 Misleading and SPAM

Keep getting this so i finally went over to see what game it was on
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And was met with silence for 20 mins
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WHY spam someone then ignore them when they finally turn up? :lolup:
 

winbig

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So....how is that misleading? Also, how is it spam, when apparently you're one of their subscribers? When you sign up at a casino (or any other site,) 99% of the time you're opting in to receive promotions, etc. - unless you specifically tell them that you don't want to receive communications.

Spam is considered to be unsolicited emails....

All that I see here is a lack of communication from the support staff....
 

osulle

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So....how is that misleading? Also, how is it spam, when apparently you're one of their subscribers? When you sign up at a casino (or any other site,) 99% of the time you're opting in to receive promotions, etc. Spam is considered to be unsolicited emails....

All that I see here is a lack of communication from the support staff....

It's spam if the op has not subscribed to it and since he is not a customer he has not subscribed. I closed my account with this casino a few months ago when they were removed from the accredited list. I get spam about once a week from affilates that I have never signed up with. So it's spam and bad CS to boot too:p
 

winbig

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It's spam if the op has not subscribed to it and since he is not a customer he has not subscribed. I closed my account with this casino a few months ago when they were removed from the accredited list. I get spam about once a week from affilates that I have never signed up with. So it's spam and bad CS to boot too:p

I guess I missed where the poster said he wasn't a player at that casino :p 99% of it doesn't address you personally by using your first name, either :p
 

babyjoker

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I guess I missed where the poster said he wasn't a player at that casino :p 99% of it doesn't address you personally by using your first name, either :p

Im not a player at that casino and Iv had my details sold to many business's over the years who address me by first name and or my known username so it's nothing new in Europe, maybe in amurca they do it different :D
 

KasinoKing

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I closed my account with this casino a few months ago when they were removed from the accredited list.
I get spam about once a week from affilates that I have never signed up with.
Were they removed and then put back on? :confused:
(They are still on the Accredited list today)

I get spam from rogue affiliates for Accredited casinos almost as much as for non-accredited (including from Lucky247, yes).
It is only spam if it's NOT direct from the casino (the e-mail address usually gives this away), or if you never gave the casino your e-address.

KK
 
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