Lost the wow factor

[slotter999]

@slotter999

The term was created by somebody else. It's actually called Scratch Ticket slots. Every spin is played as if it's a scratch ticket with the reels having no rythym. Basically, the reels change every spin and it displays the results. Companies such as Yggdrasil, Red Tiger and Game Arts are known for this and I also feel Blueprint is guilty of it as well. The slot play isn't smooth and logical in this case.

I see. I think once upon a time I looked into the JavaScript used to do the reel animations on a netent game and it was all entirely random so I guess some companies just do better jobs of making it appear smoother. Bierhaus is probably my favourite game for mid spin reel animations.

I have to say though that I'm pretty sure red tiger gaming will never see another cent from me because of the rage their scatter slow mo gave me. I actually enjoy quite a few of their games but on a recent session I kept getting the slow mo 3rd scatter teases which deliberately slow down just to slide off everytime and thought it was exploitative because there is nothing near miss about it....just a cynical attempt to induce some tilt.

 

[trancemonkey]

I see. I think once upon a time I looked into the JavaScript used to do the reel animations on a netent game and it was all entirely random so I guess some companies just do better jobs of making it appear smoother. Bierhaus is probably my favourite game for mid spin reel animations.

I have to say though that I'm pretty sure red tiger gaming will never see another cent from me because of the rage their scatter slow mo gave me. I actually enjoy quite a few of their games but on a recent session I kept getting the slow mo 3rd scatter teases which deliberately slow down just to slide off everytime and thought it was exploitative because there is nothing near miss about it....just a cynical attempt to induce some tilt.

There are some jurisdictions (Washington in the US) that require games to be a lottery style system... It's called CDS (Centrally Determined System). Also the lottery style slots elsewhere are technically legal... There is nothing to say a game HAS to use true reelbands.. just that the result has to be fair and randomly determined and every result must be possible at tthe press of the start button. So you could pick a result to pay, and then choose a way to show it... But this is almost certainly the exception and not the rule. However because every result must be available every spin, if you do a scratch card style system you have to put the card back into the pack after it's been picked.

 

[slotter999]

There are some jurisdictions (Washington in the US) that require games to be a lottery style system... It's called CDS (Centrally Determined System). Also the lottery style slots elsewhere are technically legal... There is nothing to say a game HAS to use true reelbands.. just that the result has to be fair and randomly determined and every result must be possible at tthe press of the start button. So you could pick a result to pay, and then choose a way to show it... But this is almost certainly the exception and not the rule. However because every result must be available every spin, if you do a scratch card style system you have to put the card back into the pack after it's been picked.

I became aware that some companies use this method after reading some UKGC papers where this type of game was discussed. Basically every possible win is precomputed and stored in a database and a record is picked at random. Feels like a very lazy approach to game production.

But for some reason I just didn't make the link to what was meant by lottery ticket slot. Doh!

 

[trancemonkey]

I became aware that some companies use this method after reading some UKGC papers where this type of game was discussed. Basically every possible win is precomputed and stored in a database and a record is picked at random. Feels like a very lazy approach to game production.

But for some reason I just didn't make the link to what was meant by lottery ticket slot. Doh!

In the UK there is a specific category of machine called B3A which is for these style of games. You can find them almost exclusively in working men's clubs...

 

[BrianGhattas]

In the UK there is a specific category of machine called B3A which is for these style of games. You can find them almost exclusively in working men's clubs...

Over here, we call them Gentlemen's Clubs. However, those slots you speak of are only in Quebec. IGT is now the provider and the selection isn't exciting.

 

[Gonzo]

hopefully you played with a 10-20% cashback offer...

I depositied in total 5k euros on this casino.. and in the chat i asked about a bonus and he said that no absoulutley no bonus for me because that i have win more than depostied on the site. So i asked until i deposit and lose what i have take out from casino i will never get a bonus? he said yes. Then i said i think i will close my acount then and he was just like ok go to hell then very stupid from the casino because i never deposit less than 100 every deposit and have severals deposits 1000euro. I bet 5-50 euros bet. I closed the acount there. even if i win i should have a bonus time to time from the casino.

 

[Gonzo]

I depositied in total 5k euros on this casino.. and in the chat i asked about a bonus and he said that no absoulutley no bonus for me because that i have win more than depostied on the site. So i asked until i deposit and lose what i have take out from casino i will never get a bonus? he said yes. Then i said i think i will close my acount then and he was just like ok go to hell then very stupid from the casino because i never deposit less than 100 every deposit and have severals deposits 1000euro. I bet 5-50 euros bet. I closed the acount there. even if i win i should have a bonus time to time from the casino.

And the 5k was just under 1 day. i did not count other days.

 

[chris87]

I depositied in total 5k euros on this casino.. and in the chat i asked about a bonus and he said that no absoulutley no bonus for me because that i have win more than depostied on the site. So i asked until i deposit and lose what i have take out from casino i will never get a bonus? he said yes. Then i said i think i will close my acount then and he was just like ok go to hell then very stupid from the casino because i never deposit less than 100 every deposit and have severals deposits 1000euro. I bet 5-50 euros bet. I closed the acount there. even if i win i should have a bonus time to time from the casino.

Yes, it's very rare to get a bonus from these as they think the cash back is a good enough bonus, although if your losing your cash back isn't that great anyway of course! I hope this isn't the case, but I'd bet your luck hasn't been that good since your last big win either (20k Euros on Gonzo?)

Chris

 

[Gonzo]

Yes, it's very rare to get a bonus from these as they think the cash back is a good enough bonus, although if your losing your cash back isn't that great anyway of course! I hope this isn't the case, but I'd bet your luck hasn't been that good since your last big win either (20k Euros on Gonzo?)

Chris

hehe no after that win i have lost 8k euro... the games are totaly dead for me i have tryed bets on 5 10 20 30 i have not a chanse to win. Even when i trigger a bonus it pais shit. It feel like somone push the brake for me. I know it is high wariance on the game but this is so sick. My last session i lost 4500 euro whitouth triggering a bonus and on my last 20euro i reduced the bet to 2euro and on the first spin BONUS... i have so hard to belive it is all random when things like this happend. But one thing is for sure im not givin back more money when i wont to play casino i will from
now on play on landbased casino.. No more netent for me.

 

[dogshead1]

So its been a week since my last session and nice cash out totaling 1k over 2 sessions biggest win £528 on Jungle Spirit.

So today and that these slots are truly random........ £700 lost on Jungle spirit £1 bet value total RTP 27% saw 1 bullshit butterfly for 11.5x. 3 features in total. 4x, 6x and 18,

Book of dead last week I took £450 today 4 features RTP 39% all under 20x

Microgaming still takes roughly 300-400 spins to bet a 20x feature if lucky. Seems to become a common pattern. Multiple hard mega shit sessions with the odd winning session to recoup a little of your losses back then it's all clawed back again. Sorry but I've played numerous amounts too justify my belief that it all seems compensated!

 

[dogshead1]

So just had confirmation and to add to today's session total deposited £860 all bar 60 played on Jungle Spirit.

RTP 54.25% total spins 1114. Seems to me I was told the RTP was higher than it actually was. That was 1114 spins and £860 deposits and busto. Not once but those 1114 spins did my balance rise any more than 6 times stake higher than starting balance.

I would say that's a large enough sample at £1 stake to suggest that this slot is not playing to its true value (RTP) bullshit butterflies 2wice and only 4 bonus rounds. 3 as above in last message and the final was another measily 12x stake that cost me £350 approx. So all last weeks winnings plus it double Netent have clawed back.

Not compensated my ass!!!
Am I quitting online gambling after this experience. Definitely.

After chatting to customer support at videoslots where I played this session today and also having been a member for 2 years now with well over £15000 in deposits I wasn't even offered up a loyalty bonus. To make things worse as I've experienced before staking and losing so much in one week I will be lucky to see £10 cash back!!!!!!

Everyone is just taking the piss out of the player! I've said many piece I wish you all the best of luck as I will continue to monitor the forum but my gaming days are for. No more mugging this call sign off.

My next day experience will be wiping my arse with £50 notes. I think I would enjoy that more!

 

[trancemonkey]

So just had confirmation and to add to today's session total deposited £860 all bar 60 played on Jungle Spirit.

RTP 54.25% total spins 1114. Seems to me I was told the RTP was higher than it actually was. That was 1114 spins and £860 deposits and busto. Not once but those 1114 spins did my balance rise any more than 6 times stake higher than starting balance.

I would say that's a large enough sample at £1 stake to suggest that this slot is not playing to its true value (RTP) bullshit butterflies 2wice and only 4 bonus rounds. 3 as above in last message and the final was another measily 12x stake that cost me £350 approx. So all last weeks winnings plus it double Netent have clawed back.

Not compensated my ass!!!
Am I quitting online gambling after this experience. Definitely.

After chatting to customer support at videoslots where I played this session today and also having been a member for 2 years now with well over £15000 in deposits I wasn't even offered up a loyalty bonus. To make things worse as I've experienced before staking and losing so much in one week I will be lucky to see £10 cash back!!!!!!

Everyone is just taking the piss out of the player! I've said many piece I wish you all the best of luck as I will continue to monitor the forum but my gaming days are for. No more mugging this call sign off.

My next day experience will be wiping my arse with £50 notes. I think I would enjoy that more!

That's a dreadful RTP on any game so I can't defend how badly that has played for you... You seem to have played at a high stake though which is dangerous on a game as volatile as that...

However your experience is prove games are NOT compensated... I started in this industry doing compensated fruit machines and we made sure (with compensation) that people DIDN'T have runs like you say you had.

If we wanted to compensate games illegally, we would certainly not give someone a run of 52% over 1100+ games... That would be crazy and have exactly the effect you described... Piss you off.

So as annoying as it is to have that happen it's actually proof they are random rather than rigged... Albeit you have had a very bad experience

 

[Gonzo]

So its been a week since my last session and nice cash out totaling 1k over 2 sessions biggest win £528 on Jungle Spirit.

So today and that these slots are truly random........ £700 lost on Jungle spirit £1 bet value total RTP 27% saw 1 bullshit butterfly for 11.5x. 3 features in total. 4x, 6x and 18,

Book of dead last week I took £450 today 4 features RTP 39% all under 20x

Microgaming still takes roughly 300-400 spins to bet a 20x feature if lucky. Seems to become a common pattern. Multiple hard mega shit sessions with the odd winning session to recoup a little of your losses back then it's all clawed back again. Sorry but I've played numerous amounts too justify my belief that it all seems compensated!

100% compansated and id dosent matter if u change casino.. I lost about 10k from january to june. and maybe 5-6 before january. then it paid me back 24k euros now i lost about 8k and the games are totaly totaly dead it dosent matter wich casino i play.. I dont cry over the money im angry because it is not fun it dosent even feels like im gambling like somone press a brake..i get bonuses 20frefall on a 10euro spin it pais me 240 euros.. no i will just pmay on a landbased casino from nowone at least i leave the house to play. Online i will just bet on sports.

 

[Gonzo]

Am i stupid ho thinks that the games are rigged or does somone understand me... First session 5k in deposits 5 euros bet that is 1000spin and all tje spins after small wins.. No bonus no fucking bonus in all those spin. THEN i reduce my bet to 2euro press SPIN and boom bonus!! Whats the odds of that after maybe atleast 1400spins it dosent trigger s bonus on 5bet but on tje first 2eu spin bonus

 

[TheAddict]

I love compensated games. I travel the globe hanging outside the houses of players waiting for them to do balls in the likes of jungle spirit b4 firing up my laptop and taking the value.

 

[dogshead1]

I love compensated games. I travel the globe hanging outside the houses of players waiting for them to do balls in the likes of jungle spirit b4 firing up my laptop and taking the value.

Bellend.

If you read my post properly I state that it all feels compensated as I describe. Every session is win or lose dependant on the previous session. I've played hundreds of thousands of spins to see the same pattern emerge.

Every time you win big the slots claw it all back and some before a long wait till you spike again. Dunovers videos are a great representation of this more so his most recent Rhino sessions! If they were truly random we would see more fluctuations in the spiking and dipping. We would not experience sessions where the RTP consistently fluctuates between 30-55% over a large sample size. Sorry but that is a clear sign of compensated games. How it's compensated who knows but the evidence is there without a doubt!

 

[TheAddict]

Bellend.

If you read my post properly I state that it all feels compensated as I describe. Every session is win or lose dependant on the previous session. I've played hundreds of thousands of spins to see the same pattern emerge.

Every time you win big the slots claw it all back and some before a long wait till you spike again. Dunovers videos are a great representation of this more so his most recent Rhino sessions! If they were truly random we would see more fluctuations in the spiking and dipping. We would not experience sessions where the RTP consistently fluctuates between 30-55% over a large sample size. Sorry but that is a clear sign of compensated games. How it's compensated who knows but the evidence is there without a doubt!

Touchy. Perhaps i wasn't responding directly towards you. Perhaps someone else wrote "100% compensated" . Perhaps i should have waited until you calmed down, just incase you reacted like that towards what was simply a joke. Perhaps people who are not a member here have different results than you describe, though that must be unlikely. Perhaps you will hit 6000x and 4000x in your next 2 sessions and it won't be compensated anymore.

 

[interlog]

Bellend.

If you read my post properly I state that it all feels compensated as I describe. Every session is win or lose dependant on the previous session. I've played hundreds of thousands of spins to see the same pattern emerge.

Every time you win big the slots claw it all back and some before a long wait till you spike again. Dunovers videos are a great representation of this more so his most recent Rhino sessions! If they were truly random we would see more fluctuations in the spiking and dipping. We would not experience sessions where the RTP consistently fluctuates between 30-55% over a large sample size. Sorry but that is a clear sign of compensated games. How it's compensated who knows but the evidence is there without a doubt!

The clue is in the "you win big". Experience tells us all that there is only one way that it goes after that and it is downhill. You're not supposed to make money from slots and as soon as you're in profit you should be sensible and walk away never to return.

But we don't do that. That is why we're gamblers.

 

[geordiecolin]

Am i stupid ho thinks that the games are rigged or does somone understand me... First session 5k in deposits 5 euros bet that is 1000spin and all tje spins after small wins.. No bonus no fucking bonus in all those spin. THEN i reduce my bet to 2euro press SPIN and boom bonus!! Whats the odds of that after maybe atleast 1400spins it dosent trigger s bonus on 5bet but on tje first 2eu spin bonus

Your not a very successful ho if your throwing so much money away!

 

[dogshead1]

Touchy. Perhaps i wasn't responding directly towards you. Perhaps someone else wrote "100% compensated" . Perhaps i should have waited until you calmed down, just incase you reacted like that towards what was simply a joke. Perhaps people who are not a member here have different results than you describe, though that must be unlikely. Perhaps you will hit 6000x and 4000x in your next 2 sessions and it won't be compensated anymore.

The fact that you refer to Jungle Spirit and the timing of your post you were aiming a sarcastic message towards myself. You got the response I gave. As would anyone else would give a similar response to your comment after clearly being ripped off for almost a grand on one slot given the statistics for that given session and the fact that customer support lied about its RTP suggesting it was 54.25% when it was actually 33.9% over 1114 spins at a £1 stake.

As for hitting 6000x or 4000x in my next to visits. Will never happen. If it does then will suggest the games are compensated!

People make fun of players misfortune and TBH I think that's childish and uncalled for. Me personally haven't the time for it!

 

[dogshead1]

The clue is in the "you win big". Experience tells us all that there is only one way that it goes after that and it is downhill. You're not supposed to make money from slots and as soon as you're in profit you should be sensible and walk away never to return.

But we don't do that. That is why we're gamblers.

If it were truly random. With such a large playing field hitting a big win one in a while should not immediately guarantee a poor losing streak immediately afterwords. You would expect maybe hours or day or week or months later you could play the same game and be lucky enough to win big again or get a good session on. Sorry but I've played and witnessed enough that this is and does not happen. It's clearly evident that these slots are compensated to each individual player. As for walking away when ahead. Pfft.... whatever.... the industry relys and thrives on player returning to the same slots.

 

[interlog]

If it were truly random. With such a large playing field hitting a big win one in a while should not immediately guarantee a poor losing streak immediately afterwords. You would expect maybe hours or day or week or months later you could play the same game and be lucky enough to win big again or get a good session on. Sorry but I've played and witnessed enough that this is and does not happen. It's clearly evident that these slots are compensated to each individual player. As for walking away when ahead. Pfft.... whatever.... the industry relys and thrives on player returning to the same slots.

My experience mirrors yours. As soon as I hit big and press that withdrawal button, that is it for a while. Terrible game play.

But if you look at it logically, to hit big you have hit a 1 in a thousand or perhaps few thousand hits. For that to happen soon again, though possible, statistically it is unlikely.

And not only does the industry rely on you returning to the same slots, they know that you will eventually chuck it all back, and some.

We are all at our weakest after a big win. You are on a high and want to repeat it again. It most of the time bitterly disappoints unfortunately.

But if the fun stops - as it appears to be with you - then you are absolutely right by not playing any further.

 

[dogshead1]

My experience mirrors yours. As soon as I hit big and press that withdrawal button, that is it for a while. Terrible game play.

But if you look at it logically, to hit big you have hit a 1 in a thousand or perhaps few thousand hits. For that to happen soon again, though possible, statistically it is unlikely.

And not only does the industry rely on you returning to the same slots, they know that you will eventually chuck it all back, and some.

We are all at our weakest after a big win. You are on a high and want to repeat it again. It most of the time bitterly disappoints unfortunately.

But if the fun stops - as it appears to be with you - then you are absolutely right by not playing any further.

Ah yes the fun has definitely gone for sure. Given that on average on all high variance slots the biggest average wins fluctuate among players between 200-400x stake a session of 1114 spins at £1 a stake from a deposit for that session of £860 that's an RTP of 33.9% with my highest peak of £6 on the balance is disgraceful and pure robbery. Was there any fun in that session. NO. 1 bullshit butterfly feature that paid 11.5x and 4 totally features in short of 1200 spins leaving an average of a bonus that hits every 400 spins. These feature are paying no wins 1 in every 20 and average 10-30x return most bonus rounds. Seems to me every players bonus poor runs were diverted to my IP for that session. That's exactly how it felt!

 

[interlog]

Ah yes the fun has definitely gone for sure. Given that on average on all high variance slots the biggest average wins fluctuate among players between 200-400x stake a session of 1114 spins at £1 a stake from a deposit for that session of £860 that's an RTP of 33.9% with my highest peak of £6 on the balance is disgraceful and pure robbery. Was there any fun in that session. NO. 1 bullshit butterfly feature that paid 11.5x and 4 totally features in short of 1200 spins leaving an average of a bonus that hits every 400 spins. These feature are paying no wins 1 in every 20 and average 10-30x return most bonus rounds. Seems to me every players bonus poor runs were diverted to my IP for that session. That's exactly how it felt!

I refuse to play that game after last night. £300 gone no feature.

And my betsize - £1 a spin!!!

Awful robbing game that is.

 

[Yellowsamuel]

We are all at our weakest after a big win. You are on a high and want to repeat it again.

So true, and we are also a little cocky and don't mind losing a little, until that "little" turns into a lot,
and we end up putting most of or winnings back.

I think best advice after a big cashout

STAY AWAY!!