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I'm confuzzled - maybe it's my age. But why would someone play a bitcoin slot? I mean, you use cash to convert to bitcoins to stick in, to spin, to take out bitcoins to convert to cash? Isn't that a monstrously unnecessary middle step? What's wrong with just using cash?

Anonymity? Isn't that why we all use account names and numbers? For a modicum of anonymity (not outright anonymity though - I WANT my name, address and ID on file - how else do I have any recourse if someone runs with my money).
And proven transparent and fair - by whom exactly?

I think the fact that my post raises questions rather than just genuine interest makes it all the more unlikable to me.
 
I think people are a bit confused, the audience for this sort of thing isn't really "people who like gambling," it's more "people who are interested in bitcoins."

If you don't own any bitcoins, there's very little reason to buy some for the purpose of gambling. But there's a few billion dollars worth of "value" out there in bitcoins, whether or not it's a bubble, so it was really only a matter of time before someone offers a gambling option. So people who happen to have a few bitcoins lying around and a casual interest in gambling may give it a shot.

Of course, with this sort of "casino," you had better know what you're getting into, since there's little recourse if they should happen to walk with your money. I don't know too much about them, but I think there are a couple of "dice" sites that are fairly big. They just offer a simple, no frills gamble game where you pick the odds you want, the house takes a 1% cut of the true odds from your potential win, then the rng spits out a number. You win if the number is bigger than your target. There's also supposedly some math that can prove it's fair, but I'm not familiar with it. Quite the bland game, but gets the job done if you just want to gamble.

So again, these bitcoin casinos might be an option for people who already have bitcoins, but I don't think there's much reason to buy bitcoins specifically to play at these casinos, meaning very few here are likely to have much of an interest.
 
Sure it's my opinion, but when you're conducting research for a business plan.. isn't it the point to take those opinions? Granted -it's a small sample of opinions here, but I don't see any in favour of your idea.
Sometimes when you've convinced yourself, it's difficult to take opposing opinions... I'm not suggesting who's right or wrong - just be sure you have an unbiased appraisal when appraising research.


Yes, I see where you are coming from and agree. Person can get a little biased when he is focused on one thing for too long. I'm taking all opinions here with interest and respect. Trying to argue a bit with some, doesn't mean the opposite, just want to further the consturctive dialog. The critique has been a little more than expected, but hey, it's really helpful to see the fresh and different look of you guys. I might not show it but I appreciate that!



I just took a look.

How do you say a slot is totally crap without it calling it totally crap?

Geez...I think I'll offer to buy that Fisher Price one off Vinylweatherman....at least it looks fun :eek2:


Well, no problem about being it a crap, but it would be helpful for us if you argument it, so we can try to make it better crap :)



It's like a casino but without the fun factor. Your idea would be dead in the water once a big-name casino which had the good software and games like an MG one, decided to accept this pseudo-cash. In the meantime, you are asking people to spend convertible Bitcoins on a game which is basic to say the least and with no industry-recognized seal of fairness and RTP.
You need games my friend, and some recognized affirmation of fairness.
The game looks like it's sold in the Early Learning Centre. And what's with the onions? Lemons would be more appropriate. It seems like a basic effort to design a simple game and site and hope to watch the cash come rolling in.


I see where you are coming from but let me try to ellabore on few things.
The game comes from the bitcoin community for (mostly) the bitcoin community. They don't care much about central authority approval. They trust math and algorithms. Stuff that can really be trusted without the need to trust it. I mean 2+2 is always 4 right? You don't need to trust it's 4, because you can see it's 4.
So, it's quite a standard now that bitcoin gambling games are "provably fair"
This means that you show to the player via math that he can check that you are really fair and random. They don't need to trust some authority for that, they can check it themselfes. The interface for that is right there, below the game.
Generally it works by providing hash of the number before the action, and then the unhashed number.
Hash is a math function that is very easy to make but impossible to reverse. So they can't see the number before the spin, but can easily check it after that it was indeed that number. It's the future of online gambling.
The RTP is 99% and can be checked as well, since all transactions are public :)
They are public but anonymous at the same time, since bitcoin addresses are not directly related to real life ID. That's the beauty of it.

The Onions are the logo of TOR. The whole theme of the slot is Cryptopunk, something that relates well to the bitcoin community.
The idea is the slot to be simple but beautiful. I'm sorry to hear that we haven't managed to please all.

The idea never was to make full blown casino, but a simple one slot site, where you go, deposit and play within 10 seconds. Simplicity and minimalism.




Hi I would never play with Bitcoins even if I could understand how it works. Took a look at this slot and I would never play this even if it was regular money. I was bored after 3 spins. The slot looks and feels very dated for me. Also you got a typo there cause I am not sure what you mean by "provably fair and transparent".

Best o luck to you though.:)


I'm sorry to hear that. Would be helpful though, if you let me know why you got bored?

About the typo, i'm pretty sure that's how it should be, right above i've explained about that provably fair fancy thing :)



I'm confuzzled - maybe it's my age. But why would someone play a bitcoin slot? I mean, you use cash to convert to bitcoins to stick in, to spin, to take out bitcoins to convert to cash? Isn't that a monstrously unnecessary middle step? What's wrong with just using cash?

Anonymity? Isn't that why we all use account names and numbers? For a modicum of anonymity (not outright anonymity though - I WANT my name, address and ID on file - how else do I have any recourse if someone runs with my money).
And proven transparent and fair - by whom exactly?

I think the fact that my post raises questions rather than just genuine interest makes it all the more unlikable to me.

Not everyone would play bitcoin slot, I'm far from that idea, but certain people definitely would.

It's proven transparent and fair by math and the public bitcoin ledger. Not whom. You don't need to trust central authority anymore, you can trust yourself and your eyes now. Even over the internet. There is more about that in my answer to dunover above.

If anonymity is factor for you, I would be interested to learn how you would stay anonymous when paying to conventional casino online?

I suppose it's natural for people to not like new stuff, or stuff they don't quite understand. There are quite few conceptually new things here and I guess time is needed. But it's really useful to hear the view of people that haven't been exposed to the bitcoin frenzy as long as I have been :)




I think people are a bit confused, the audience for this sort of thing isn't really "people who like gambling," it's more "people who are interested in bitcoins."

If you don't own any bitcoins, there's very little reason to buy some for the purpose of gambling. But there's a few billion dollars worth of "value" out there in bitcoins, whether or not it's a bubble, so it was really only a matter of time before someone offers a gambling option. So people who happen to have a few bitcoins lying around and a casual interest in gambling may give it a shot.

Of course, with this sort of "casino," you had better know what you're getting into, since there's little recourse if they should happen to walk with your money. I don't know too much about them, but I think there are a couple of "dice" sites that are fairly big. They just offer a simple, no frills gamble game where you pick the odds you want, the house takes a 1% cut of the true odds from your potential win, then the rng spits out a number. You win if the number is bigger than your target. There's also supposedly some math that can prove it's fair, but I'm not familiar with it. Quite the bland game, but gets the job done if you just want to gamble.

So again, these bitcoin casinos might be an option for people who already have bitcoins, but I don't think there's much reason to buy bitcoins specifically to play at these casinos, meaning very few here are likely to have much of an interest.


Yes, agree. The main target is people already holding bitcoins BUT there are also people that want to gamble online but can't because of local restrictions. Like in the US.





Thank you all. It's really useful how it looks to outside people, and people that stumble upon all this crypto an math stuff for first time. Now I know that we need ot put more effort into making that easily understandable for people outside of the bitcoin cummunity. I was taking that understanding for granted, being surrarounded by crypto fans. It's quite refreshing really :)

I'm interested in more opinons like these, but please be open minded when approaching it, it's really kinda new conception. And if you think it's shit, just let me know why it's shit. That's what really helps :)
 
OK, the tedious game aside, the fact that you offer a TRTP of 99% would mean you require a high turnover to make a good profit, and 1% margin would not be enough (unless you're a charity) to maintain any sort of customer service or investment in more attractive games for the future should your idea blossom. And if it blossoms, you'll be cut stone dead by bigger and better competitors who will simply use bitcoins too. Good luck if you can make it pay in the short term. Maybe add a bit of colour to the slot, holds and nudges or a bird in a bikini reclining on top of it. Something. Anything.

If a player hits you tonight on a big stake for the 5000-1 spin, could you pay him????

As for us (or some of us) not being au fait with algorithms or the mathematical science, it's because you over-elaborated it. It's simple. You want us to spend a unit on a 99% TRTP slot, take 1% every time and reap the rewards. What GA licences you? Where do you/would you pay taxes on the revenues?
 
I'm sorry to hear that. Would be helpful though, if you let me know why you got bored?

About the typo, i'm pretty sure that's how it should be, right above i've explained about that provably fair fancy thing

I think maybe the slot is too simple if that makes any sense? I am a slot player and like to be entertained by the game, this game doesn't do it for me its no fun. I am sure you will find a niche market. Good luck:)
 
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