Looking for a Casino like BetFair

LB1410

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There welcome bonus wasn't the greatest (Match up to 50.00), but even if you don't meet the WR they still let you keep the profit you make, by using the bonus money to play with.

I deposited 50.00 they matched it and with my 100.00 balance I managed to make a nice 300 profit over a few days.

I was just wondering if anyone knows of any online casino where this would also be possible. (To keep the profit made by using their bonus money even if you DON'T meet the WR.)

(I'm also willing to use your REFERAL code, or any affiliate link that may get you a bit of profit, if you can point me in the right direction.)

Thanks alot. :)
 

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hi, there are quite a few offers out there which are better than the one you have mentioned, have you googled casino bonuses??
 

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There welcome bonus wasn't the greatest (Match up to 50.00), but even if you don't meet the WR they still let you keep the profit you make, by using the bonus money to play with.

I deposited 50.00 they matched it and with my 100.00 balance I managed to make a nice 300 profit over a few days.

I was just wondering if anyone knows of any online casino where this would also be possible. (To keep the profit made by using their bonus money even if you DON'T meet the WR.)

(I'm also willing to use your REFERAL code, or any affiliate link that may get you a bit of profit, if you can point me in the right direction.)

Thanks alot. :)

Congratulations on your win but honestly, I dont think they should have allowed you to keep the winnings without meeting the WRs. Some players will take notice, get the bonus and bet big. He bets the whole bankroll on BJ or Baccarat and gets a 200% profit on his bet and he can quote your case and say that if your withdrawal was allowed why not his. It would be difficult to refuse the player. Dont get me wrong. I like Betfair as with most 'Bet' casinos like Betfred, Betway and Bet365. However, I just tend to think there would be repercussions if they continue to allow this.

Actually, why are you insistent on not meeting the WRs unless you truly want to abuse bonuses. If I am correct, you will never visit an online twice since there is only one SUB anywhere.
 

LB1410

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Congratulations on your win but honestly, I dont think they should have allowed you to keep the winnings without meeting the WRs. Some players will take notice, get the bonus and bet big. He bets the whole bankroll on BJ or Baccarat and gets a 200% profit on his bet and he can quote your case and say that if your withdrawal was allowed why not his. It would be difficult to refuse the player. Dont get me wrong. I like Betfair as with most 'Bet' casinos like Betfred, Betway and Bet365. However, I just tend to think there would be repercussions if they continue to allow this.

Actually, why are you insistent on not meeting the WRs unless you truly want to abuse bonuses. If I am correct, you will never visit an online twice since there is only one SUB anywhere.

I'm not looking to abuse any bonuses, as that will only land me in trouble.

I try and meet the WR, but incase I don't - i don't want any potential profits to be wasted if you catch my drift?
 

aka23

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There welcome bonus wasn't the greatest (Match up to 50.00), but even if you don't meet the WR they still let you keep the profit you make, by using the bonus money to play with.

I deposited 50.00 they matched it and with my 100.00 balance I managed to make a nice 300 profit over a few days.

I was just wondering if anyone knows of any online casino where this would also be possible. (To keep the profit made by using their bonus money even if you DON'T meet the WR.)
Most casinos that offer a bonus require you to complete wagering to make a widthdrawal. However, there are a few that permit you to cashout winnings (not the bonus itself), at any time. Examples include casinos that still have the traditional Microgaming Clearplay rules such as the Jackpot Factory group, Roxy/Splendido group, Betway, Vegas Towers, etc.
 

LB1410

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Most casinos that offer a bonus require you to complete wagering to make a widthdrawal. However, there are a few that permit you to cashout winnings (not the bonus itself), at any time. Examples include casinos that still have the traditional Microgaming Clearplay rules such as the Jackpot Factory group, Roxy/Splendido group, Betway, Vegas Towers, etc.

Yep that is what I am after, many thanks.

I googled Vegas Towers at random and found this:
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Deposit between 20 and 50 and we will match that amount up to 50 in free cash with no play-through requirements, no game exclusions and hassle-free redemption
For example:
Buy 20 in casino chips - Play with 40!
Buy 50 in casino chips - Play with 100!

Any catch??
 

aka23

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Any catch??
It's not a withdrawable bonus (which you'd expect given my earlier comments). The Fortune Lounge group also has a poor history with bonuses and an "irregular play" statement in their T&C. However, I wouldn't expect you to run into related issues.
 

LB1410

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It's not a withdrawable bonus (which you'd expect given my earlier comments). The Fortune Lounge group also has a poor history with bonuses and an "irregular play" statement in their T&C. However, I wouldn't expect you to run into related issues.

Okay, correct me if i'm wrong and excuse my ignorance, but...

..Am I right in saying that if I deposited 50, so I'm playing with 100.
I then go on to make say a further 100, so my balance would be 200.

Would I then be allowed to withdraw 150, and forfeit the 50 bonus?

As long as I can withdraw money made by using their bonus, then that would suit me. Many thanks
 

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Okay, correct me if i'm wrong and excuse my ignorance, but...

..Am I right in saying that if I deposited 50, so I'm playing with 100.
I then go on to make say a further 100, so my balance would be 200.

Would I then be allowed to withdraw 150, and forfeit the 50 bonus?

As long as I can withdraw money made by using their bonus, then that would suit me. Many thanks
Yes, you can cash in at any time & forfeit the balance of your bonus:

You are able to cash in your deposit and winnings at any point, but remember that the bonus amount always belongs to the casino. This means that the bonus amount will be subtracted from your first cash-in amount. However, if your first cash-in amount is less than the bonus amount and there are further funds in your casino account, the cash-in amount will be removed, and the remainder (to make up the full bonus amount) will be subtracted from your casino account. If there are no further funds in your casino account, the full cash-in amount will revert to the casino, and your account will be deemed to have reached a zero balance.

For every 300 wagered, 10 bonus chips are converted to withdrawable cash (bearing in mind the different % each game counts in WR)

But I hope you are not planing to use the bonus to help you win by betting your entire balance (or most of it) on one double-up bet. If you do a double-up bet you are leaving yourself open to the "Bonus abuse" or "irregular play" terms in their T&C's:-

Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns e.g. playing of equal, zero margin bets or hedge betting, which all shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes. Other examples of irregular game play include but are not limited to, placing single bets using your entire or the majority of your account balance, where the majority of that balance is made up of bonus balance. The Casino reserves the right to decide in its sole discretion which activities constitute "irregular play" for bonus play-through requirement purposes from time-to-time and to withhold any cash-ins where irregular play has occurred to meet bonus play-through requirements.


There are virtually no totally risk-free bonuses anywhere on the net these days.
Casinos are not charities, and it is called "gambling" for a reason... :p

Good luck! :cheers:
KK
 

LB1410

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But I hope you are not planing to use the bonus to help you win by betting your entire balance (or most of it) on one double-up bet. If you do a double-up bet you are leaving yourself open to the "Bonus abuse" or "irregular play" terms in their T&C's:-

Nope.

Is that when for instance people put 100 each on odd or even on roulette, or something like that? If so, then nope i've never done that and never will.

I just make bets on Roulette and Blackjack using my common sense. Sometimes they are low bets, sometimes I increase them depending how I feel.
 

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Nope.

Is that when for instance people put 100 each on odd or even on roulette, or something like that? If so, then nope i've never done that and never will.
Nope. It's more like placing your whole balance of 200 on Red.
Lose & you've lost 100 (Your original deposit)
Win & you've won 200 (You'd have 400 and could cash-out 300 = 200 profit)

That's why casinos specifically ban this type of betting.

KK
 

LB1410

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Oh right, okay - thanks for clearing it up.

I'm about to deposit money on the casino WildJack, as someone suggested in this topic.
But will I definatly be able to withdraw money, incase I don't meet the WR.

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Regular Players must playthrough the bonus 30 times before it is transferred into their cash balance.

It is part of the "ClearPlay" bonus system. As long as any profit made is in my cash balance, the bonus is of secondary importance to me.
 

KasinoKing

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But will I definitely be able to withdraw money, incase I don't meet the WR.
Yes.
(According tho their T&C's, early withdrawal in not prohibited).

Your questions have prompted me to add an extra column to my 'MG Flexi-Bonus Unravelled' tables at the bottom of all my recommended casinos pages, saying whether full WR is required at each of the MG's I list, or not.
Thanks for giving me several more hours of going cross-eyed reading masses of T&C's! :p

KK
 
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LB1410

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Yes.
(According tho their T&C's, early withdrawal in not prohibited).

Your questions have prompted me to add an extra column to my 'MG Flexi-Bonus Unravelled' tables at the bottom of all my recommended casinos pages, saying whether full WR is required at each of the MG's I list, or not.
Thanks for giving me several more hours of going cross-eyed reading masses of T&C's! :p

KK

Many thanks, made a bit of profit on their today.
And haha, at least your site will benefit in the long run :thumbsup:

It seems that casino's where you can cash out at any time without meeting the WR, are very few and far between :mad:

I found another one earlier though, ToteSport.
 

aka23

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Oh right, okay - thanks for clearing it up.

I'm about to deposit money on the casino WildJack, as someone suggested in this topic.
But will I definatly be able to withdraw money, incase I don't meet the WR.

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Regular Players must playthrough the bonus 30 times before it is transferred into their cash balance.

It is part of the "ClearPlay" bonus system. As long as any profit made is in my cash balance, the bonus is of secondary importance to me.
Unless they've changed something recently, you will be able to. They mean that you need to wager 30x to cashout the bonus. However, you still have the option to withdraw early and not cashout the bonus. I list Clearplays that permit early withdrawal in the bonus tables on my site as "0xB / ..." wagering. Note that some groups casinos restrict early withdrawal on their sign-up bonus, but permit it on reloads.
 

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As a coder, I'm curious how they distinguish winnings out of bonuses from winnings out of deposits. I mean, how do you fairly say which they were playing? Do they make all bets "bonus bets" until the entire playthrough is cleared? That seems absurd, because in reality the winnings are inevitably going to compound.

The system I made up for the site I'm building is:
- Player's total bets are recorded in real time.
- Bonuses have to be played through 15 times (B = 15).
- Deposits have to be played through 1x to get the entire thing back, 1/B (6.67%) is withheld from deposits on whatever isn't played.

Naturally, it's all pooled together like it should be:

withholding = ((deposits-withdrawals)+(bonuses*B)-totalbets) / B

So all winnings belong to the player right away, and most of the deposit can be taken out right away. Of course, I'm only planning on offering 25% or less for signups ;)
 

vinylweatherman

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As a coder, I'm curious how they distinguish winnings out of bonuses from winnings out of deposits. I mean, how do you fairly say which they were playing? Do they make all bets "bonus bets" until the entire playthrough is cleared? That seems absurd, because in reality the winnings are inevitably going to compound.

The system I made up for the site I'm building is:
- Player's total bets are recorded in real time.
- Bonuses have to be played through 15 times (B = 15).
- Deposits have to be played through 1x to get the entire thing back, 1/B (6.67%) is withheld from deposits on whatever isn't played.

Naturally, it's all pooled together like it should be:

withholding = ((deposits-withdrawals)+(bonuses*B)-totalbets) / B

So all winnings belong to the player right away, and most of the deposit can be taken out right away. Of course, I'm only planning on offering 25% or less for signups ;)


So, I could deposit 100, get 25, and then withdraw my 100. Intercasino started out this way, but had to change as more and more players spotted the loophole:D

With MGS, it doesn't REALLY work like this, the transfer of increments of 10 from bonus to cash is merely a display device that runs from the total of weighted wagers made since the bonus was credited. The code does not have to worry whether bets came from cash, bonus, or a mixture of both.
 

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I believe Betfair are running an excellent unlimited weekend bonus promotion at the moment with very low WR.......

Yes, well last week's happy hour promo DID mention that the same promo will be repeated every Saturday from 9 PM to 12 PM so pile in folks!
 

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Totally off the point but have to say AKA23 that is the cutest (german shepherd ?) puppy I have seen for a while.Yours?

Sorry guys- go back to talking about gambling and bonuses

Colly
 
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