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Looking back - it seems my biggest wins came from my smaller deposits and bets

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by takethemoney, Nov 15, 2011.

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    Nov 15, 2011
  1. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Tonight I was thinking of my biggest wins and came to the realization that large deposits and large bets are entirely unnecessary.

    Circa: 2009 - I hit 3 random jackpots at the Rushmore group, totaling over $40,000. I had deposited $100 and taken a 200% bonus, hit Sunken Treasure for over 10 grand and went on to hit another on Diamond Dozen for another 20 grand, then hit Mystic Dragon for over 11k. I had never bet over $1.20 on any of those games, at least when hit.

    Same year - I hit Mystic Dragon at Casino Titan off a $200 deposit, taking a 100% match bonus, playing 75c per spin, while out shopping for groceries on autoplay. Came home to find that I had hit over $5500.

    This year I had around $9 left out of a $50 deposit and hit a $2600 random at Bodog, playing Witches & Wizards.

    This year again- Hit 2 randoms at Slotastic for over $12,000. This one again resulted from a $100 deposit with a 100% match bonus. We all know it's easy to make playthough, once you have a huge bank.

    What I find astonishing, is the fact that when I put a large deposit in and bet like I have money, I get my ass absolutely kicked off the planet. I can't explain it, but it seems like RTG lays in wait for someone to make those large bets and summarily will hand you your ass and a broken bankroll back to you. ;)
     
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  3. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    OK, so in summary, your points are:

    1. The RTP is lower when making large bets or large deposits

    2. RTG operators have a way to detect when someone makes a large deposit and makes large bets and change the games to make it impossible to win

    The fact is that you are incredibly lucky....and I mean incredibly.

    I can't understand why you would complain or think that "something is up" when you have done so well. You do realise that you can't win every time, and that just because you make big bets you won't always win big? It's pretty simple really,.....if you bet big, you either win big or lose big.

    Your suggestion that $100 and $200 are "small" deposits I do not agree with.....$25 would be a "small" deposit to most players I would think.

    You also allude to making big bets after you hit the RJs. Obviously those bets did not bust you out, so how do you explain that? Wouldn't you think that then would be the time for the "automatic ass-kicker" to be activated and take back your winnings?

    I get what you are saying about hitting most of your RJs on "small" bets (again...I wouldn't call $1.20 "small") and that it is indeed interesting. IMO you just spoiled it by going on to suggest that the software is somehow "rigged" and there is some kind of "intuitive AI".
     
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  5. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    I think you're reading way too much into my post, which is definitely not a bitch and whine type post. I just found it interesting that all my major wins have come from relatively small deposits and bets, which is all relative to the individual, just as someone else would consider a $25 or $100 bet on a spin the norm. I know people who play like this and I just can't fathom it. Yes, I have made some large bets when well ahead. Don't many gamblers do this in the hopes of catching a really big one?
     
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  7. Nate

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    The post was tongue in cheek 'Getting my ass handed to me' when I play big.

    Why it is taken out of context and pulled completely off the rail like to OP wants to discredit RTG is beyond me.

    For what its worth, I read exactly what you meant to say takethemoney. Sometimes low rolling (This varies per person) can dish out some nice game time and also give you a few extra spins to try and hit a nice multiplier. I have the patience to do it 'sometimes' but inevitably up the bet and increase the chance of me busting out faster.

    WTG on those hits... I wish I could hit a random... although I don't actually play RTG.:thumbsup:

    Nate
     
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  9. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I think what is going on is that you're a lot more careful with a smaller bankroll and take less risks. Deposit 1k and go hog wild on Thunderstruck at $45 a spin. Hell, you will undoubtedly hit a smashing huge win - free spins w/retriggers - and then cash out 20k or so. :thumbsup:

    Yeah, right :rolleyes:

    It's all in your mind. Deposit $100 and go for TS at $4.50 a spin. See how long that lasts.

    The grannies in Vegas have bank rolls of about $15 plus a coupon or two. They make it last a few hours.

    @Nifty - please don't take the OP's initial post as an attack on RTG or common sense. It's merely an observance that many of us experience.
     
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  11. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    I just responded to a post, stating what I agreed with and what I didn't. Just like you. If one doesn't want to have opinions expressed or have someone take words out of context, one shouldn't post in public, or should qualify their remarks if they are "just kidding".

    How is discussing what the OP actually said "taking it out of context" and "pulling the thread off rails"? I think you are making this personal....and it isn't....and that is what "pulls threads off the rails".
     
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  13. Nate

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    The above quotes actually depict it being taken out of context... The OP did explain after your post what the intentions actually were.

    I would agree that if I continue this it would attribute to a derail.

    Nate
     
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  15. chayton

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    Well, back when I used to like Hitman, several times I hit some really nice wins ($200-$300+) and always when I was betting between 30-60 cents. A week or so ago I was a bit ahead and went to Hitman and bet $3, on my first spin I got free spins! I was quite excited about it for a minute....my free spin round paid me $4.20. :rolleyes:

    Anyhow I think the thing to remember is that you have more chances to win if you're betting lower simply because you get more spins for your money.
     
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  17. incrediblestuff

    incrediblestuff SearchingForTheHolyGrail! CAG webmeister

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    :)
    your highlighting the good points: it's simple statistics, that any bankroll needs the most wagers you can possibly extract from that bankroll to maximize your odds, simply because of the amount of spins: needless to say that as soon as you are ahead you would have to stop or you would be doing the opposite :p

    casinomeister had also highlighted this, and so have nifty and nate more or less.

    and yup, you were very lucky!


    due to losing connection while typing, i see that chayton also stated this ^^
     
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  19. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    I must say i feel same as OP, my biggest wins are made by 25-50dollar deposit, and the casinomeister has right, you are more carefull and notice over little thing as the slot is cold after few spin - move on


    but when you have larger bankroll you going to play untill at least you get a future and when you get crappy result - you posibily going on tilt.
     
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  21. Nate

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    Looking Back....

    Looking back - Over my shoulder... I can see the GREED in your eyes....
    You never dreamed it could turn sour
    You never wanted ... to call it quits

    Looking back .. back at my balance
    With an aching deep in my heart
    I wish that I could start all over
    Oh instead of losing both the car and house

    Everyone, told you .. YOU were losing
    Funny you should be the last to know
    Baby PLEASE I know you're not dreaming
    You, just never want to let go...

    Everyday, Its a losing session
    Just to spin, and hold my bet up high
    Could it be, I should not have started
    Santa won't you give me one more try
    One more try....


    Nate
     
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  23. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    Looking back - it seems my biggest wins came from my smaller deposits and bets: 000813-64_assorted-images_mini.jpg,Nov 15, 2011
     
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  25. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Many players share your feeling but the solution is simple. Continue depositing in smaller chunks and hope for the best. With larger deposits and bonuses you get bolder not necessarily braver and spin incessantly.RTG slots are like that. No matterhow low the variance seems to be your rtp could be lower than 80% for 1000 or more spins. Recently, I played Paradise Dreams at Club World and features come at the most not later than 300 spins normally. Nah, after more than 500 spins on autoplay, some before dinner and some after still zilch, nada. Never mind I thought as the most I could lose was my deposit and that even when I hit the feature I might pick a 250x flower. Well, I finally hit it at 1000x.

    I understand the streakiness of rtg slots and maybe even the RJs. Yet, I am rather more concerned about the randomness of the features. If the slots are random, what about the prizes given at the feature. Are they also random. Methinks not. The longer you endure a session without a feature the more likely the prizes dished out will be of a higher value. Well, at least that's my experience at Paradise Dreams, Diamond Dozen and the 3 Stooges.
     
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  27. rockycatt

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    great poem :) but may i make a remark :D = i never pray to santa because the letters of his name inverted spell SATAN :eek:
     
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  29. Nate

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    Sung to Mike and the Mechanics - Looking Back Over my Shoulder :)

    Nate
     
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  31. Rick Deckard

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    Funny, just read a new article in newscientist.com called Decision-Making: How subtle forces shape your choices. This is an extract from the article that might explain why you might be luckier playing with smaller deposits where logically it would seem at odds to win more with small deposits. Or maybe it doesn't, but it got me thinking.

    "Mental glitches that make fools of us
    The human brain does not compute options like a rational computer, yet our decisions are often effective. Nevertheless, some of our mental biases are hard to explain.

    In novel situations, or ones where information is limited, we have the unfortunate habit of basing decisions on random connections. This so-called anchoring effect was first shown by Daniel Kahneman of Princeton University and the late Amos Tversky, and the consequences can be bemusing. One study found that people asked to write a high number subsequently bid more for items whose value was unknown than people who wrote down a low number.

    Kahneman and Tversky also revealed our peculiar attitudes to risk. We tend to be more cautious than is logical when there is the possibility of making large gains or small losses. However, we choose unduly risky options when there is the chance of making a small gain or a large loss. In recent years, our inclination to undervalue rare but catastrophic events has been dubbed the Black Swan effect.

    Another factor underpinning some bad decisions is the confirmation bias - our tendency to overemphasise anything that confirms what we already believe. Then there's loss aversion: it feels worse to lose something than to gain the equivalent amount, making us protect what we have rather than take a chance to make a gain. Also, when choosing whether to continue with a venture we irrationally consider the investment we have already made in it - the sunk-cost fallacy. Meanwhile, our short-term bias - temporal discounting - means we tend to prefer smaller rewards now to bigger ones later."
     
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  32. Nov 16, 2011
  33. takethemoney

    takethemoney Banned User - Chargebacks at Slotastic

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    Good posts in this thread. Please keep em coming. I'll tell ya something I've had great success with on Mystic Dragon. I will bet 3c per line, but rather than play all the lines I will normally only cover 18. 54c vs. 75c seems more affordable to me and over the course of many, many spins, it really is. I know it seems nutty, but I have had some huge hits doing it this way and this method can help me last a bit longer. You get a gal or dude and 3 vertical rows of dragons and you are in the money, so it seems most of the money is made on the feature. It works for me and I find it works better than playing all the lines at 2c per line, or a 50c bet. When those Dragons come, your line bet is your friend. I have played a lot of Mystic Dragon....and I mean a lot! ;)
     
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  35. bb28

    bb28 Meister Member

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    Most of my deposits are less that $50. Hardly ever have I deposited $100 or more. I guess you could see I've had some awesome luck, I once turned a less than 50 deposit with a bonus into 40K, yes I upped my bets. lol That was a few years ago on Rival. I've gotten really lucky I think 3 other times too. 10k plus. Once on rtg. I won 2 rj's that night and the first was on a .80 bet. I've also won a couple of smaller rj's a long time ago, both on .40 bets and small deposits. Everytime I've had an unbelievable streak of good luck, it started with a less than $50.00 deposit.

    Lately I can't win squat, I'm about ready to hang it up. Seriously! :( I recently started playing with the JP group and I can't get ahead to save me. I asked for my stats tonight and I've NEVER done that ever before. I think I'm done.
     
  36. Nov 16, 2011
  37. ShayDrew

    ShayDrew Quit Gambling

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    I agree with the majority - if I ever deposit more than $100 in a session I lose. Normally its that $50 deposit with a wee bonus that I can turn into a few hundred......
     
  38. Nov 17, 2011
  39. nisosbar

    nisosbar Ueber Meister PABnonaccred

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    I make small deposits because I find that wins don't depend on deposit size, but rather, whether you are on a hot streak of luck. So even if you deposit only $25, a couple of 200x bet wins and there you go.
     

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